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(03-09-2023, 04:49 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Pistons wanted to resign him (allegedly) but Wood wanted to be on a good team.

The narrative that the Pistons wanted him came from this Athletic article by James Edward III on a story he wrote about Wood when he broke out on the Rockets in 2021. They did want him, but only at just under 10 mil a year, and for the amount that cost them literally the least amount possible:

Quote:Detroit wanted him to be part of this retooling, as well. However, there was a specific price in mind. Detroit had Wood’s “Early Bird” rights, which meant that if it were able to sign him to a deal that paid, roughly, $10 million annually, Wood’s salary would only count as $1.7 million against their cap. Anything more would count toward the cap in full. Per sources, Detroit didn’t offer more than the annual amount that it would take for the smallest cap hit.

Wood wanted the most amount of money first, the good team part was secondary. Absolutely nothing wrong with that at all. Go make your money, but this isn't like the Pistons were offering equal money and Wood declined them, but rather the Pistons made it clear early on they had other priorities. The same article said as such:

Quote:The priority for the Pistons under Weaver was to acquire Grant, who, especially defensively, fits more of the mold of what the revamped front office was looking for.

Wood and his reps then turned their attention elsewhere. The Rockets, who were now under new leadership but still interested in landing Wood’s services, stepped up to the plate.

(03-09-2023, 04:49 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Joined the Rockets to play with Harden and Harden left. Tanking shitshow ensued.

It's up to the player to make the most of his situation. Imagine if Wood bought in and led the Rockets to several wins being a key star and showed growth on both ends of the court? Dude could have set himself up for a big payday this summer if he put in 2 years of work and showing growth. Rather he pout when the coach didn't run plays for him, fight said coach at halftime because he lost his starting spot for a night when he arrived late at practice, and literally refuse to check into a game cause he was pouting? Tanking shit show or not, Wood's attitude was well documented and a primary reason teams were afraid of taking him on. This attitude thing also wasn't new. That label has followed Wood his entire career.

(03-09-2023, 04:49 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Hasn't been given a real chance to be the guy in Dallas despite being the most talented big by a LARGE margin. Why?... Kidd?...The front office? Contract BS? Dwight is a coaches pet? I don't really find it useful to be a LARP and claim to know. Lets not forget that they promised the spot to McGee. LOL.

I'm not trying to LARP here, but rather try to explain something that on paper clearly doesn't make sense. I'm offering plausible reasons (not all of them I agreed with per se, re: the devil advocate comment). You can go ahead and make an argument that Wood didn't get a fair shot because of any reason, as long as you back it up. Kidd is a dolt, Dwight has Nico's sex tape loaded up on twitter and ready to go if he doesn't start, and Cuban is more of a metal guy etc. 

I'm taking the angle that Wood not getting a fair shake has more to do with him and his well documented attitude (and team's lack of enthusiasm for giving him a fair shot), rather than our head coach going out of his way to sabotage the team by purposefully benching the most talented (but flawed!) big on the roster. Again, Kidd COULD be doing that. There have been stories of him in the past absolutely mind fucking his players, and I can't 100% rule out that here. 

(03-09-2023, 04:49 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]We have a bottom 5 coach.

(03-09-2023, 04:49 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Unless you have Nico's phone tapped, there is no way you could make the argument that nobody wanted Wood. I could list several alternatives, but again LARPing as an FBI agent with insider info isn't for me.

Half of the fun about being a fan is about speculating about stuff. Just like above I'm sure you can list several alternatives (I'd love to shoot the shit over them!) about why Wood wasn't traded. Given Wood had fallen out of the rotation, him subtweeting the entire deadline, and the fact we had multiple leaks about how much the Mavs wanted to move him and THJ, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Wood's value at the TDL was close to zero. To the point where the Mavs probably said "I'd rather take 2 months more of Wood than a measly 2nd." 

Who knows though?

(03-09-2023, 08:58 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Given Wood had fallen out of the rotation, him subtweeting the entire deadline, and the fact we had multiple leaks about how much the Mavs wanted to move him and THJ, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Wood's value at the TDL was close to zero. To the point where the Mavs probably said "I'd rather take 2 months more of Wood than a measly 2nd."

I have repeated the following thoughts a couple of times, but it didn't really spark any answer.

I fully agree Woods (and THJ) value in a direct sale was low. "Contenders want to be" are not about giving good players, they are about getting good players for meh contracts and draft compensation (or young guys). 

So, if Mavs see themselves a contender, the more likely moves on the table should be Wood (or THJ) + draft compensation for better players. What I don't get is, why Mavs traded 2029 pick for Kyrie instead of 2028 one, if there was not an intention to make a further move using the 2027 pick at TDL. One would think that BKN would value the 2028 pick higher. So, assuming Mavs were exploring the Wood+pick options, I find it really hard to accept there was nothing out there. Poeltl was traded for 1 FRP and two seconds. Lakers got three starter level guys (Beasley, Vandy and Russel) for one FRP. Jalen McDaniels went for 2 SRP. Hart went for protected FRP and Reddish. 

Sure, the players Mavs need are very specific and not many of them are around. But unprotected FRP has value. For example, Thybulle was a goal. He is not worth unprotected pick. But, how many protected picks would OKC give for an unprotected one? Would OKC deal us Kennrich Williams and draft assets to Philly (Thybulle) for an unprotected pick from Dallas? I just repeat, I find it very difficult to accept there was nothing out there. We have all seen plenty of teams doing their moves and we all see the obvious holes this roster has.

(03-09-2023, 08:58 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Given Wood had fallen out of the rotation, him subtweeting the entire deadline

Come on man. He broke his thumb and didn't send a tweet until after the deadline.

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(03-09-2023, 08:58 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]our head coach going out of his way to sabotage the team by purposefully benching the most talented (but flawed!) big on the roster. Again, Kidd COULD be doing that. There have been stories of him in the past absolutely mind fucking his players, and I can't 100% rule out that here.

Maybe Wood has an Android

(03-09-2023, 03:13 AM)MrGoat Wrote: [ -> ]The seven teams narrative is the dumbest narrative about Wood. He was an undrafted player and barely got a chance to play at all for his first four teams, he had to fight and claw to stay in the league. In fact he even had to spend an entire year in the D league in the '18 season so it's actually 8 teams. His fifth (really sixth) team was the first team he was on that gave him any chance for any real playing time and that was Detroit. 

He finally showed what he could do but he didn't really fit their timeline so they traded him to Houston right before they blew it up, Wood's attitude soured a lot after that because he wanted to win and he initially thought he was going to get a chance at that in Houston. Wood handled Kidd's mistreatment of him very professionally because this was the best team he'd been on with a real role. 

People will simp for Kidd just because he's the head coach, but I won't. Wood is actually pretty good at certain parts of defense (look at his opponent FG% at the rim) and it's a failure of Kidd that he hasn't found a way to maximize what he can do. We've seen what happens enough times in the playoffs with Powell. Powell is the ultimate regular season fool's gold player, his advanced stats look good because he brings more hustle to the regular season than almost anybody else and he rotates well. But he gets exposed in the playoffs when other players start bringing the same level of effort because of the higher stakes and we'll ultimately ask too much of Maxi yet again. Wood actually has some skills that could tilt a series and it is coaching malpractice by Kidd not to try to integrate him harder. Almost reeks of intentionally trying to hurt his market value which will backfire in our face this summer when he might pull a Nerlens Noel and take a small deal just to get out of here out of spite and spread more bad stories about Dallas to make sure that we still can't land a free agent without overpaying.

I think Kidd (and Carlisle before him) have really screwed up Dwight Powell's greatness.  He could easily have been an all-star player, but his coaches haven't figured out the right way to maximize his talent.

And they keep signing players like Wood and McGee, messing with his head and showing a total lack of confidence in his abilities.

It's all on the coaches.

(03-09-2023, 10:24 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]What I don't get is, why Mavs traded 2029 pick for Kyrie instead of 2028 one, if there was not an intention to make a further move using the 2027 pick at TDL. One would think that BKN would value the 2028 pick higher.

The answer MIGHT be in your last thought there. No idea what Brooklyn's thinking was, but if I were in their shoes, I'd have wanted the pick as far down the road as possible. All the more likely Luka is gone and it's a ridiculously high/valuable one, imho. 

Point being, maybe the Mavs didn't have a choice. Maybe giving up the '29 instead of the '28 was the cost of not putting Green in the deal. Who knows?

(03-10-2023, 10:57 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]All the more likely Luka is gone and it's a ridiculously high/valuable one, imho. 

Luka contract is finished before 2028. So either he is gone before then or on a new, likely supermax, deal. Sure, there is possibility he demands trade afterwards. Still earlier picks are in general valued highly. We were listening last 3 years or so, how Mavs don't have any early picks to trade and how this is limiting them from doing anything.

BKN also already has their own and Phoenix pick (I would assume Durant trade didn't really happen in the last hour, but was discussed for quite a while) in 2029. They don't have a pick in 2028. Having an unprotected pick in 2028 would seem more beneficial from this perspective too.

(03-09-2023, 02:38 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Drop names then boss. Or are you saying the board is dead? lol

Mostly saying the board is dead (I don't think some folks here really appreciate how crazy that is because this thing has pretty much been active for about 20+ years).  

I certainly don't think that this place has been an anti-Wood echo chamber though, has felt pretty evenly split on the debate the entire time honestly.

(03-10-2023, 11:39 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Mostly saying the board is dead (I don't think some folks here really appreciate how crazy that is because this thing has pretty much been active for about 20+ years).  

I certainly don't think that this place has been an anti-Wood echo chamber though, has felt pretty evenly split on the debate the entire time honestly.

If I have more brothers in arms that I don’t know about, please make yourselves known. I’m lonely.

(03-10-2023, 12:50 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]If I have more brothers in arms that I don’t know about, please make yourselves known. I’m lonely.

I'm with ya, brother.  Except on that wild opinion on CWood.

(03-10-2023, 12:50 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]If I have more brothers in arms that I don’t know about, please make yourselves known. I’m lonely.

I love Wood but I think he needs to be a sixth man.  I want to test out my Kanter idea.  I had Randle pegged for that role but I might have been overly negative on his prospects as a starter.

(03-10-2023, 12:59 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: [ -> ]I'm with ya, brother.  Except on that wild opinion on CWood.

Well that’s what I’m referring to…

(03-10-2023, 01:04 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I love Wood but I think he needs to be a sixth man.  I want to test out my Kanter idea. 

I think Kanter is a great comp for Wood. Big man, good stats but bad defense, couldn't ever find a steady role until he was used off the bench in a somewhat-sporadic role, and kinda embraced it.

Kanter got one fairly big contract - similar to what Wood got from Houston - but then no team ever wanted to do anything like that again. Always well below MLE afterwards.

Time to pump the propaganda 

https://twitter.com/vengeancewood/status...37731?s=46&t=-lW3MUk_hy_SiUq46U-6RA

More.

https://twitter.com/grantafseth/status/1...29056?s=46&t=-lW3MUk_hy_SiUq46U-6RA

What’s going on here?

https://twitter.com/mavsoutsiders/status...24480?s=46&t=-lW3MUk_hy_SiUq46U-6RA

If you are seeing a sensitive content warning on this like I am, it’s nothing bad. Just a clip from Draymond’s podcast.

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status...76801?s=46&t=-lW3MUk_hy_SiUq46U-6RA

(03-11-2023, 02:54 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status...76801?s=46&t=-lW3MUk_hy_SiUq46U-6RA

Also Atlanta?

Clearly some coaches that aren't maximizing his potential!

(03-11-2023, 03:59 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: [ -> ]Also Atlanta?

Clearly some coaches that aren't maximizing his potential!

I’m going to ignore your sarcasm so you can finally catch a W

(03-10-2023, 06:30 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]More.

https://twitter.com/grantafseth/status/1...29056?s=46&t=-lW3MUk_hy_SiUq46U-6RA

Wood is very good at several things. He is also pretty bad at more than one thing. I’ve been assuming his short rope is about trying to get him to learn to make defensive rotations that he’s missing. Or something like that. 

Fun to watch him block shots and drive to the hole with those long strides. Super skilled. Offers so many of the things this team needs. But the opponent sure seems to get easy buckets when he’s on the court.

(03-11-2023, 05:21 PM)The Jom Wrote: [ -> ]But the opponent sure seems to get easy buckets when he’s on the court.

DP isn't any better.
DP is there but he isn't there at the same time.
It feels like when DP subs in, opponents know it's just token defense he provides. 
DP does not matter in the paint. The opposing players does as he wish, and takes it to DP knowing DP can not bother a shot.