(02-16-2023, 11:20 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]His next step is to eat a hot dog.
He should change it up and have some yogurt and fries.
I'm not really sure why DP is starting and getting so many minutes and end-of-game minutes when in the play-offs, this dude will get benched.
DP doesn't miss rotations. That's a good thing. But that's not enough of an upgrade over Wood.
DP doesn't scare anyone, having him out there means a lay-up line for the other team and a sure-as-day way of getting outrebounded.
IMHO, even if DP brings his A-game, his impact would not be as much as Wood.
Wood on the other hand, if he brings his A game (with good D), is going to be a player who has the capacity to swing a series in the Mavs favor.
With Kidd's continued preference of centers other than Wood, Kidd's basically figuring out how to make the play-offs harder for the Mavs.
In the team's best interest, Kidd needs to dampen his hate for Wood a bit. He can throw him under an AirBus 320 for all I care..
But he needs to wait until the PO run is over before he does so. I the mean time, Kidd needs to get Wood involved as DP and Joel just wouldn't cut it. It's even more important to get Wood in since this may very well be the last time the Mavs have a chance in a while. If Kyrie leaves, the Mavs are back to square one.
(02-16-2023, 05:18 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]1. I don't think anyone can dispute that Wood is the best offensive option.
2. Do you guys really think the defense is significantly better with McShaqtin or Dwight?
3. If you do think the defense is better with McShaqtin or Dwight, do you really think it is enough to offset the MASSIVE offensive diffy?
(02-16-2023, 05:27 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]4. Luka - Green - THJ - Maxi - Wood is by far our best lineup (+31.1). Undeniable fact for you stat degens. Swap THJ for Kyrie and let's see what happens.
No replies? Is it because you are checkmated, Wood haters?
Personally, I like the Kleber-Wood pairing, especially for the last 4-6 minutes of the first and 4-6 minutes into the second when one of Luka or Kyrie gets a blow. Wood can give this team a huge lift up to around 24 min. A best-case scenario for Wood probably means no Powell or McGee minutes in the second or fourth quarters.
That said, I don't trust Wood on the floor at all if the Mavs need stops i.e. crunch time. The Mavs will go small to close games with Luka-Kyrie plus a couple of wing defenders and Kleber as the solo big. The rotation I have in mind will allow Kidd to go with any two of Green - THJ - Bullock on the wing depending on the situation, who's hot or yippie, fouls, etc.
(02-17-2023, 06:00 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]
No replies? Is it because you are checkmated, Wood haters?
I'm mostly waiting till I see what Kidd can do after the ASB. Maybe they come to an agreement and Wood is used more, where he actually becomes that defender he flashed earlier in the season.
We might actually forget about this hiccup and Wood will get his money from someone.
Who knows?
Point 1: I agree with, Wood is a fantastic offensive player. I don't think anyone was arguing against that point.
Point 2: I don't think the defense would've been any better had they messed with the center position over the last 3 games because it was transition defense that killed the Mavs. Wood wouldn't have made that better, nor would've Powell or Mcgee. That falls on our coach to make sure the players know to get back and match up, and mostly the wings and guards to get back since it's usually their match up that's pushing the ball. I do think Powell is a better defensive scheme player in the halfcourt, because he actually makes proper rotations and can keep up on the perimeter. His lack of rim defense has always been an issue. McGee theoretically can defend the rim but he's too inconsistent. Wood is bad at both rotations and rim defense. He's also inconsistent at basically everything else. He's shown flashes at solid D, but since returning from injury he's been a turnstile.
Point 3: The offense definitely runs different when Wood is in the game vs. Powell/McGee because Wood is a fantastic offensive player that can have sets run for him. I think there's an argument to be made to keep Wood on the bench because if not him, who else scores from there? Theo? Hardy? Bullock? Therein lies the issue with Wood. After Kyrie, lack of offense isn't the issue. And Wood seems hellbent on not buying into defense.
Point 4: I agree that's our best lineup and one I hope Kidd uses. Maybe Maxi's defensive brilliance can cover Wood (and everyone else) when he returns to the point where the defense can get back to elite. Him+Green can maybe recreate the magic DFS+Kleber had.
Point 5: we really need another defensive wing. I miss DFS.
(02-17-2023, 06:00 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]
No replies? Is it because you are checkmated, Wood haters?
I'm not a wood hater, but here is my reply:
Wood/Maxi/Timmy/Green/Luka +23.7
Powell/Bullock/Timmy/Green/Luka +35.9
The reality is that both are very small samples, and mostly against bench units. I think an argument can be made that when Luka and Kai are on the floor, the lineup will be wildly tilted to offense and you want to surround them with as much defense as you can. The obvious choice for that is Maxi. I think Wood is at his most valuable when Luka or Kai are not on the court. So I see the playoff center rotation being Maxi/Wood. That does not mean you can't overlap them, but my guess is when Maxi/Luka/Kai are on the court the focus will be perimeter defense with Green and Bullock (too bad we don't have Dorian any more).
I see Powell as a third string center who can provide some energy bench minutes in certain situations. I think we should be playing Wood more minutes now and there is no possible argument for bringing him off the bench after McGee.
(02-17-2023, 11:54 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not a wood hater, but here is my reply:
Wood/Maxi/Timmy/Green/Luka +23.7
Powell/Bullock/Timmy/Green/Luka +35.9
The reality is that both are very small samples, and mostly against bench units. I think an argument can be made that when Luka and Kai are on the floor, the lineup will be wildly tilted to offense and you want to surround them with as much defense as you can. The obvious choice for that is Maxi. I think Wood is at his most valuable when Luka or Kai are not on the court. So I see the playoff center rotation being Maxi/Wood. That does not mean you can't overlap them, but my guess is when Maxi/Luka/Kai are on the court the focus will be perimeter defense with Green and Bullock (too bad we don't have Dorian any more).
I see Powell as a third string center who can provide some energy bench minutes in certain situations. I think we should be playing Wood more minutes now and there is no possible argument for bringing him off the bench after McGee.
What site are you using for the stats my brother
(02-16-2023, 05:18 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]1. I don't think anyone can dispute that Wood is the best offensive option.
2. Do you guys really think the defense is significantly better with McShaqtin or Dwight?
3. If you do think the defense is better with McShaqtin or Dwight, do you really think it is enough to offset the MASSIVE offensive diffy?
Not arguing one way or the other as this has been a rough week for me, but just because it is your best option doesn't make it a good option. Wood can also be who the coaching staff let their frustrations out on as it is obvious that he isn't in the long term plans. But at some point, you have to play your best option. And the best coaches in sports don't have a system, they develop a recipe based on the groceries at hand. While he had his faults, Carlisle was pretty good at making chicken salad.
(02-17-2023, 04:43 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Not arguing one way or the other as this has been a rough week for me
I hope you get the chance eat some grass and relax this weekend Mr. Cow.
(02-17-2023, 04:28 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]What site are you using for the stats my brother
NBA.com. Advanced Lineups.
(02-17-2023, 05:31 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]NBA.com. Advanced Lineups.
Cleaning the glass might be busted or it’s very possible I’m just stupid lol.
Anyways, I would argue that that lineup you gave is more of a defensive anomaly than my lineup is an offensive anomaly. I don’t think that lineup is stopping anybody it’s just a tiny sample. DFS for Maxi in my lineup was even higher rated than both (+43.4). That’s 89 minutes of evidence that Luka - Green - Wood and a plus defender are a problem.
Then again maybe I’m just an idiot and it’s Tim fookin Hardaway carrying those lineups, but I’d wager swapping him for Kyrie will be good also.
you can't play 3 offense-oriented players simultaneously on court, especially in the playoffs. wood can come off the bench as a 6th man to provide offensive power when either luka or kyrie sits resting, so that throughout the match you have two offensive elites on court. and i also think the team needs to play better team defense. it's true that we got great defenders in TC and marion in 2011 but don't forget we also played zone defense pretty well. not gonna see good team D this year though.
(02-17-2023, 06:57 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Cleaning the glass might be busted or it’s very possible I’m just stupid lol.
Anyways, I would argue that that lineup you gave is more of a defensive anomaly than my lineup is an offensive anomaly. I don’t think that lineup is stopping anybody it’s just a tiny sample. DFS for Maxi in my lineup was even higher rated than both (+43.4). That’s 89 minutes of evidence that Luka - Green - Wood and a plus defender are a problem.
Then again maybe I’m just an idiot and it’s Tim fookin Hardaway carrying those lineups, but I’d wager swapping him for Kyrie will be good also.
To be honest, both lineups might be anomalies due to the limited sample size. I would probably fall under the category of stats nerd, but I am also probably the biggest sample size nazi on the board. Stats can get so easily abused and I try to avoid that if at all possible. Net ratings are fascinating and fun to explore, but they are extremely noisy stats. As a general rule of thumb, the smaller the sample the more useful box score stats are, and the bigger the sample the more useful net rating stats are.
Also, I have had a few at happy hour at work, so if this comes across as douchey, I apologize.
(02-16-2023, 11:26 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I think Noel might be a similar situation but look at the end result. After flirting with a 70 mil contract, the Mavs decided he did not have the right mental makeup and did not to invest in him long term. He went on to be a fringe NBA player as a defensive specialist and never made close to what that contract would be. Noel thought too highly of himself and the Mavs rightfully backed away.
Maybe Wood is a different case but the Noel situation is more a cautionary tale for Wood than for the Mavs.
Help me out on Noel. When he was with the Mavs, I did not see a lot of the teams game. I didn't have league pass because the Mavs werent very good. I did see a game live and thought he was pretty active and surprisingly had a pretty decent touch.
But looking at ESPN, he played 22 games in 2016 and 30 games in 2017. He started 18 games total in his stay here. 2016 he averaged 8 and 7 and in 2017 he averaged 4 and 6.
When did this offer supposedly happen and why in the world were they offering 70 million? I know he was a former top 5 pick and offers versatility on defense, but 70 million? Whose decision was that to make that offer?
(02-17-2023, 07:44 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Help me out on Noel. When he was with the Mavs, I did not see a lot of the teams game. I didn't have league pass because the Mavs werent very good. I did see a game live and thought he was pretty active and surprisingly had a pretty decent touch.
But looking at ESPN, he played 22 games in 2016 and 30 games in 2017. He started 18 games total in his stay here. 2016 he averaged 8 and 7 and in 2017 he averaged 4 and 6.
When did this offer supposedly happen and why in the world were they offering 70 million? I know he was a former top 5 pick and offers versatility on defense, but 70 million? Whose decision was that to make that offer?
After the usual off-season fuck-ups in roster construction the Mavs found themselves without a center.
So they traded Justin Anderson, two 2nd round picks (virtually/eventually), Bogut for Noel in February 2017.
First move by Carlisle was to bring the major young acquisition Noel off the bench on a team just playing for ping-pong balls.
Needless to say they f***** the tank up, too.
Mavs offer Noel a 70/4 extension in August after investing significant assets in the trade, which he turned down.
During opening media day Carlisle publically informed Noel that he would not be the starting C.
Noel was pissed. Played on the QO, ate Hot Dogs at halftime and left in summer.
Mavs fucked up another tank...then drafted Doncic/Brunson.
Just the usual Mavs sh*t.
Except, they drafted Trae Young BECAUSE they screwed up the tank. Then they screwed up the trade because they didn’t want a player and didn’t value future 1sts. We’d have already been out of the KP trade had we not screwed that up.