(03-02-2023, 11:46 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]Wood looks checked out.
I know this isn't the right attitude for a pro..
But I can understand him fully.
I would have done worse than CWood and I'd checked out much earlier.
Let's not forget Kidd is partly to blame for all this.
They will be down 2-0 in the first round and realize yet again that Dwight isn't playable. They will be forced to call on Christian Wood. Christian Wood will deliver.
(03-03-2023, 12:01 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Christian Wood will deliver.
I think he'll get an opportunity in China before he starts working for Dominos.
(03-02-2023, 11:52 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]I know this isn't the right attitude for a pro..
But I can understand him fully.
I would have done worse than CWood and I'd checked out much earlier.
Let's not forget Kidd is partly to blame for all this.
Isn't Wood making $14m this year?
Isn't he a free agent after this year?
Wouldn't a smart and professional player be giving EVERYTHING they had to earn the contract they have and maximize their future earnings?
This is on Wood
I would be really interested to see what trade offers, if any, there were for Wood at the deadline. McMahan mentioned Reggie Jackson. I don't this was even a rumor, just speculating. At the time, that felt super low value. But maybe that was the level of offers. Did the Clippers prefer Plumlee over him? I wonder if Dallas would have taken Plumlee and the Hornets preferred taking and buying out Jackson? It certainly feels like Dallas limited themselves to by wanting to have the backup plan of cap room if Kyrie leaves this offseason so that may have limited the options as well.
It just feels like outside of a scoring burst off the bench, that Wood is going to quietly slip into the background if everyone is healthy. 15-20 minutes a night with not closing very often.
(03-03-2023, 09:04 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I would be really interested to see what trade offers, if any, there were for Wood at the deadline.
I can believe there were none straight up offers that would make Mavs better. What I find difficult to believe is there were no offers that made sense with Wood expiring and FRP. Especially since they gave up 2029 for Kai instead of 2028 pick, which could indicate they were aiming for short term success. Look at Lakers. They had an A+ TDL. Traded the Westbrook contract and a lightly protected FRP for 3 starters. Mavs could easily made same three way deal with Utah:
1. Utah: Russell, Wood, Mavs 2027 pick
2. Minny: Conley
3. Dal: Beasley, Vando
Difficult to claim Utah would prefer the Lakers version. I realise Beasley is just a THJ copy, but he is there just as salary filler and tax saving next season. Vando fits exactly what Mavs need. I am looking forward to see what better deals Mavs will be able to do in the summer.
(03-03-2023, 08:58 AM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]Isn't Wood making $14m this year?
Isn't he a free agent after this year?
Wouldn't a smart and professional player be giving EVERYTHING they had to earn the contract they have and maximize their future earnings?
This is on Wood
It's why I said what he is doing (if he really is mailing it in) -- isn't the right attitude.
I said this from the very start.
I'm not saying CWood should be commended for what he is doing.. he shouldn't be.
All I'm saying is he got pushed around way too much.
And for a player who's mental make-up is suspect -- I could understand him..
Kidd on the other hand, should have known better.
He could have played it nicely and got the best out of Wood until season's end, but NO, he's just wants to make things harder for the Mavs.
That's the story of his coaching career so far.
Make it harder on his coached teams to win.
I understand that Wood is not the perfect big man - he has lots of flaws. But he's not completely useless and at some point, the Mavs need to realize that there are maybe 5-10 "perfect" big men in this league for them total and it's not easy to get one of them. They need to start figuring out how to make it work with the players they are able to get and win games.
Every team in the league would love to have a switchable PF/C on defense who can score/shoot, and rebound. The reality is that not every team can obtain one so like those teams, the Mavs need to learn to make the most of what they have to still throw out a successful team. And that does not mean continuing to heavily rely on Powell and Kleber for 5 years.
Wood is done here, there is no fairytale ending to his story as a Mav. But I can see the Mavs running into the same issue in the future with anyone else they bring in unless they can somehow get one of those perfect big men.
I thought Wood had pretty good focus and body language last night.
Yes, a few mental lapses, like fouling the guy on the 3-point attempt. But it didn't seem like he stayed down in the doldrums when something bad happened.
Just need him to play within himself on offense, and not make too many errors on D.
I think he's a decent MLE guy.
(03-03-2023, 09:04 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I would be really interested to see what trade offers, if any, there were for Wood at the deadline.
I don't think he'd be here if the Mavs received any offers.
(03-03-2023, 10:56 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I can believe there were none straight up offers that would make Mavs better. What I find difficult to believe is there were no offers that made sense with Wood expiring and FRP. Especially since they gave up 2029 for Kai instead of 2028 pick, which could indicate they were aiming for short term success. Look at Lakers. They had an A+ TDL. Traded the Westbrook contract and a lightly protected FRP for 3 starters. Mavs could easily made same three way deal with Utah:
1. Utah: Russell, Wood, Mavs 2027 pick
2. Minny: Conley
3. Dal: Beasley, Vando
Difficult to claim Utah would prefer the Lakers version. I realise Beasley is just a THJ copy, but he is there just as salary filler and tax saving next season. Vando fits exactly what Mavs need. I am looking forward to see what better deals Mavs will be able to do in the summer.
With Timmy playing decent defense right now I think I take him over Beasley. I like Vandy, but I'm not sure he is worth an unprotected first plus whatever you value Wood at. It would make sense from the standpoint of using 27 and filling the gaping hole left by Dorian.
(03-03-2023, 11:32 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]All I'm saying is he got pushed around way too much.
And for a player who's mental make-up is suspect -- I could understand him..
Players who aren't mentally tough tend to fold in the playoffs. If Wood gets this bent out of shape this easily then he's never going to be someone to count on.
Carlisle would have had Wood crying on the bench.
(03-03-2023, 05:27 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]With Timmy playing decent defense right now I think I take him over Beasley. I like Vandy, but I'm not sure he is worth an unprotected first plus whatever you value Wood at. It would make sense from the standpoint of using 27 and filling the gaping hole left by Dorian.
I said Beasley is just expiring salary filler
Wood will be gone in the summer, Mavs don't look like they want him anyway. So he has zero value.
I am aware that Vandy is not worth an unprotected FRP. But what if he is the one missing piece? He is exactly what Mavs need. Big wing, switchable, high energy defender who is not a total liability on offense but doesn't require the ball. There is a world where I could see Mavs as contenders with him. In this perspective, he is well worth that pick. But, looking forward what better and cheaper options will be there in the summer...
Edit: Beasley has a perfect contract for future flexibility. Team option for next season. So you can either cut him and save money or use his expiring in another deal. He certainly has some value, as we have seen with Lakers. He could also easily fill the Holiday minutes with similar impact.
(03-03-2023, 10:50 PM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]Players who aren't mentally tough tend to fold in the playoffs. If Wood gets this bent out of shape this easily then he's never going to be someone to count on.
Carlisle would have had Wood crying on the bench.
LOL, straying off topic here with assumptions, when the issue here is all about taking away Kidd's part on CWood checking out.
Which to me is clear as day and not a total hypothetical like saying RC would break Wood.
The topic is all about Kidd being what he is.
A pain to the Mavs.
Imagine taking away a possible asset to a non-asset at all.
To Add: (a hypothetical) -- I would have been fine if Wood gets into RC's doghouse. He probably should if RC thinks that way.. with Kidd? Not so much.
(03-04-2023, 08:37 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]The topic is all about Kidd being what he is.
A pain to the Mavs.
Imagine taking away a possible asset to a non-asset at all.
A player can have his stats taken away by a coach. A player cannot have his ATTITUDE taken away by a coach. At least not a mentally tough player.
And I think you might have the roles on the team confused. The GM team acquires "assets" and the coach tries to win with the players the GM acquires. Maybe the coach has input into the player acquisition process but that doesn't matter on the court. A coach should attempt to give his team the best possible chance to win the game - coaching to make a player an "asset" is not coaching to win.
(03-04-2023, 09:43 AM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]A player can have his stats taken away by a coach. A player cannot have his ATTITUDE taken away by a coach. At least not a mentally tough player.
And I think you might have the roles on the team confused. The GM team acquires "assets" and the coach tries to win with the players the GM acquires. Maybe the coach has input into the player acquisition process but that doesn't matter on the court. A coach should attempt to give his team the best possible chance to win the game - coaching to make a player an "asset" is not coaching to win.
Kidd taking minutes away from the 3rd best player on the team can take a players attitude.
I wish I had the inside info like a bunch of you seem to
(03-04-2023, 10:19 AM)Dirknows Wrote: [ -> ]Kidd taking minutes away from the 3rd best player on the team can take a players attitude.
There is a reason why seven other teams have given up on him. The dude can't play defense. He constantly gets lost. Until he improves, he is at best a bench scorer.
I like him, but for a limited role.
If another team offers him significantly more money than the Mavs offer him, then perhaps I was wrong about him. But I think the market will reflect his value at what I think he is: a bench scorer with little other utility.
(03-04-2023, 10:19 AM)Dirknows Wrote: [ -> ]Kidd taking minutes away from the 3rd best player on the team can take a players attitude.
Nope
The coach can control a players minutes and therefore his stats but only the player can sour his attitude. Look at Boban - he plays very little but he's always happy to contribute when he's allowed on the court.
players are generally overpaid these days. bertans got paid generously just for 3pt shooting, so i guess some team will offer him more than what we think he is worth, regardless of his flaws.