02-07-2023, 12:58 PM
Different position but maybe his comp should be Mavs Legend Monta Ellis. All the talent in the world and can fill it up but his ability to affect the outcome of games is nowhere near the ability or talent.
(02-07-2023, 12:58 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Different position but maybe his comp should be Mavs Legend Monta Ellis. All the talent in the world and can fill it up but his ability to affect the outcome of games is nowhere near the ability or talent.
(02-07-2023, 12:29 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Portis. I think it is a mistake to think Wood is a 19/9 guy and try to pay him like other 19/9 guys. Look at his per minute rebounds and point that last year in Detroit and the combination of years in Houston. It hasn’t changed a bit. Both teams moved on from him and one, Houston, struggled for months to find a taker. Did that magically change because he spent a few months in Dallas?
(02-07-2023, 01:23 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Looking at the last couple of seasons per 36, Wood is roughly 22 and 11 on TS over 60%. Portis is 19 and 12 on TS in the upper 50s. Wood also averages a block and assist (and turnover) more than Portis and he is a better creator. Its a good comp, but Wood is clearly the better player.
(02-07-2023, 01:17 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I buy that comp.
I think the difference is that Ellis was given every chance in the world to be a featured player on good teams, and just was what he was.
Wood's fans, myself among them, feel as though he has never really been given a shot to grow into such a role. And for my money, he succeeded enough here in this opportunity to justify another lease on it. But, committing to that, from the Mavs' perspective, simply isn't a "win-now" proposition, and they really only have until this deadline to decide. So, it's "hey, if you're willing to try and be a bench scoring 3rd big, let's get it!" And no, he isn't.
I'm not convinced committing to patiently build around Luka/Wood isn't a better path than what they chose, considering Luka is 23 and under contract. BUT, when you trade for a 31 year old superstar, you're announcing to the world that you're going for it NOW. That goal makes bringing along a young guy like Wood in a featured role kind of not a great idea.
(02-07-2023, 01:17 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I buy that comp.
I think the difference is that Ellis was given every chance in the world to be a featured player on good teams, and just was what he was.
Wood's fans, myself among them, feel as though he has never really been given a shot to grow into such a role. And for my money, he succeeded enough here in this opportunity to justify another lease on it. But, committing to that, from the Mavs' perspective, simply isn't a "win-now" proposition, and they really only have until this deadline to decide. So, it's "hey, if you're willing to try and be a bench scoring 3rd big, let's get it!" And no, he isn't.
I'm not convinced committing to patiently build around Luka/Wood isn't a better path than what they chose, considering Luka is 23 and under contract. BUT, when you trade for a 31 year old superstar, you're announcing to the world that you're going for it NOW. That goal makes bringing along a young guy like Wood in a featured role kind of not a great idea.
(02-07-2023, 01:32 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]If we are talking about win now, I would argue that bringing Wood off the bench (he would still be playing with Luka or Kyrie) would likely be more valuable than what it sounds like we might get in a trade for him.
(02-07-2023, 01:31 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: [ -> ]Also Portis signed that contract to keep contending for more championships. Mavs haven't earned that right yet. Portis would have commanded more money on the open market.
(02-07-2023, 01:32 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]If we are talking about win now, I would argue that bringing Wood off the bench (he would still be playing with Luka or Kyrie) would likely be more valuable than what it sounds like we might get in a trade for him.
(02-07-2023, 01:32 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Kind of an aside but something I've been thinking about a lot is that we need to be careful with the sentiment that "Luka is only 23". Because of early start in professional basketball, he'll be in his prime sooner than the typical NBA player. He's got more wear and tear on him as well especially considering how he is deployed today. I also get the feeling that he isn't planning on a 20-year career but for that, we can point to his youth and say "who knows?".
(02-07-2023, 12:53 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]From the Shams report yesterday it sounds like the Mavs have already offered him more than the 2-year money suggested by some here as his worth, and he won't sign it. I can see that he's despondent, but he has to choose between personal and professional contentment and what might not be that much more money.
(02-07-2023, 01:54 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Idk...part of me is still stuck in mourning over the Luka/Giannis pairing that was planned a few years ago and the dynasty that would've been created. All subsequent plans have seemed cheap and surface level by comparison. I've been holding out hope that they could find a way to pull themselves out of this hole and assemble a team that could be good for 5-7 years IN A ROW. Clearly, this is now destined to be a year-to-year endeavor with successes/failures along the way.
(02-07-2023, 02:02 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]In contrast I am still thinking about missed opportunities because they had to chase pipe dreams. Imagine a roster building process that isn´t interrupted by some extremly risky attempt to short cut the way to the top.Can I please get more likes for this post???!!!
(02-07-2023, 02:02 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]In contrast I am still thinking about missed opportunities because they had to chase pipe dreams. Imagine a roster building process that isn´t interrupted by some extremly risky attempt to short cut the way to the top.
(02-07-2023, 02:00 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]What Shams report?
(02-07-2023, 02:11 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Same point, made in reverse.
What we're both saying is that the time to build "the right way" (which honestly just means "successfully", regardless of approach) was during those years when Luka was on his rookie contract.
Alas, they failed. Let's hope they handle this next few seasons better than Cleveland did.
(02-07-2023, 11:09 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I also expect him to be traded and for the value to be surprisingly small.
(02-07-2023, 02:22 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]My hopes are crushed. I think you still have a chance. It seems like they are going for a have it both ways approach with Kyrie. If things fall apart they could create capspace and continue their hunt for the white whale in free agency.
(02-07-2023, 02:25 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that the Mavs should look to trade Wood, but they shouldn't trade him just to trade him.
A low value trade (ala Barnes), just doesn't work out for the better in the long run. I'd rather use Wood and let him walk.
Although I guess it depends on how low his value is. If the return is Justin Jackson, then we gotta keep him. If we're getting an Okoro or Hart, then sell as fast as you can.
(02-07-2023, 01:23 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Looking at the last couple of seasons per 36, Wood is roughly 22 and 11 on TS over 60%. Portis is 19 and 12 on TS in the upper 50s. Wood also averages a block and assist (and turnover) more than Portis and he is a better creator. Its a good comp, but Wood is clearly the better player.