02-15-2023, 12:18 PM
(02-15-2023, 11:49 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]And played for Sweeney in Detroit during his break out season.
I started not to give you a like since you have thousand's, but I gave you one anyway.
(02-15-2023, 11:49 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]And played for Sweeney in Detroit during his break out season.
(02-15-2023, 12:03 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I don't buy the idea that the Mavs tried to sabotage him, or hate him, or those memes. Or that he's been misused here or not given a chance. There's certainly an opening for a player his size, if they bring what's need to the team.I don’t think the FO wanted or willingly tried to sabotage him, but I certainly hope they had a conversation with him after the trade and expressed their goal with him. I would have hoped Kidd would have been in on that call, but if it was had, we know he wasn’t. Since we know Kidd was not, I would have hoped they set up an individual call between the two. Alas, the two came to media day introducing themselves to eachother and Kidd told the media before telling his newly acquired player that he was gonna come off the bench.
I'm just guessing, like we all are. We all hoped for better. Doesn't like we'll get it.
(02-15-2023, 12:37 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t think the FO wanted or willingly tried to sabotage him, but I certainly hope they had a conversation with him after the trade and expressed their goal with him. I would have hoped Kidd would have been in on that call, but if it was had, we know he wasn’t. Since we know Kidd was not, I would have hoped they set up an individual call between the two. Alas, the two came to media day introducing themselves to each other and Kidd told the media before telling his newly acquired player that he was gonna come off the bench.
Not the best foot to start off on, at the very least wouldn’t you say?
On draft day, every player drafted whether they turn out good or bust gets this treatment, right? Getting off to the best start is just common knowledge in basketball front offices, isn’t it?
If the intent all along was to just see what he can give us and there were questions unanswered, why was it not until Kidd NEEDED to start Wood the moment to try to build a relationship with him? Does Kidd really have that many better things to do in his life than to get to know him?
What is the word you would use to describe the situation we put ourselves in in this case?
(02-15-2023, 03:26 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know, because I don't think we know most of the story of what actually was happening, and why.How can you refute Wood not talking to Kidd before the two had to be in the same room together? Wood said as much. Is that good practice? The article I read said that was the first time Kidd reached out to Wood to improve the relationship. I’m talking sources, you’re giving assurances based on generalizations.
My observation is that the Mavs are a very competitive, lucrative business, where the differences between them and the competition are at the margins. As such, it would make no sense that they would do things in a haphazard way. I observe they employ a staff of psychiatrists, trainers, coaches, skill development experts, and more to try to get the best performance out of these guys. The conclusions you draw are close to the exact opposite of the rest of all of that, so I figure there's a ton more to know about what has occurred, that we have no idea.
(02-15-2023, 04:09 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]This team is fully invested in keeping Kyrie happy.
(02-15-2023, 11:41 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]One of them is Kyrie Irving and the other is a guy that no one else in the league had interested in acquiring last offseason or at this TDL save for our very own Mavericks. Now I honestly think there is room for players like that on the Mavericks as they have the hardest of hard times acquiring talent. Let's call it the basketball version of Moneyball but I really don't see a reason for anyone in the organization to roll out the red carpet for Wood especially when one of his biggest problems is a sense of entitlement.Nothing I talked about in that discussion had anything to do with rolling out the red carpet for Wood. Knowing where he stands on the team and how he can improve that should have been a conversation had before the two met face to face. That’s common curiosity, not rolling out the red carpet.
(02-15-2023, 11:53 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]That’s common curiosity
(02-16-2023, 12:20 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Wood has to earn it.
JaVale got promised the starting spot without earning it.
Dwight about to get his next 4/44.
Clown world.
(02-15-2023, 11:13 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Apparently there was no demand at the TDL for Wood, in relative terms. You can get rid of anyone just to get rid of them, but it makes no sense if you don't get something in return that you need.
Adding an unprotected FRP just to get someone to take him off their hands? That would be absurd. He's expiring and will be gone in a few months if you want him gone.
Adding an unprotected FRP for a player of value coming back the other way? That's really just using Wood as trade filler, and the selling point is the pick. It still isn't yielding actual value for Wood himself. Re Beasley-Vando, I certainly wouldn't have given an unprotected FRP for that pair. Vanderbilt was a player I would have wanted, but not for an unprotected FRP for him, and Beasley is about the same player as THJ other than the length of the contract, so I don't see value in adding another.
(02-16-2023, 02:46 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Like I said from the beginning, when they traded for Wood, the only option was to try and make it work. That means giving him the starting spot, from the beginning. That means not pulling him for every single mistake. That means giving him time and space to learn defense, and doing what you can to both make him happy and improve the team.
Would it have worked? Maybe, maybe not. But the point is they HAD to try and do that, because of the absolute dearth of big man talent on this roster. Instead they committed malpractice against both themselves and Wood by first gifting the starting spot to an absolute spare, and then falling back on the old comfortable coach's pet who we already know can't hack it in the playoffs. The team repeatedly made it clear with their actions how little they valued Wood, and then they wanna act shocked other teams aren't falling over themselves to trade for him? Why would anyone pay any kind of price for someone who will be freely available and HAPPY to leave at the first opportunity?
I distinctly remember some posters saying at the beginning "Oh, it doesn't matter they're starting McGee, we'll see what happens." I said right then they were setting themselves up for failure with Wood, and I was right. It's a perfect example of how full of themselves Cuban, Kidd and the rest are that they think they just have so much talent here that they could afford to alienate Wood. They fucked around and now we're all finding out.
(02-16-2023, 02:46 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Like I said from the beginning, when they traded for Wood, the only option was to try and make it work. That means giving him the starting spot, from the beginning. That means not pulling him for every single mistake. That means giving him time and space to learn defense, and doing what you can to both make him happy and improve the team.
Would it have worked? Maybe, maybe not. But the point is they HAD to try and do that, because of the absolute dearth of big man talent on this roster. Instead they committed malpractice against both themselves and Wood by first gifting the starting spot to an absolute spare, and then falling back on the old comfortable coach's pet who we already know can't hack it in the playoffs. The team repeatedly made it clear with their actions how little they valued Wood, and then they wanna act shocked other teams aren't falling over themselves to trade for him? Why would anyone pay any kind of price for someone who will be freely available and HAPPY to leave at the first opportunity?
I distinctly remember some posters saying at the beginning "Oh, it doesn't matter they're starting McGee, we'll see what happens." I said right then they were setting themselves up for failure with Wood, and I was right. It's a perfect example of how full of themselves Cuban, Kidd and the rest are that they think they just have so much talent here that they could afford to alienate Wood. They fucked around and now we're all finding out.
(02-16-2023, 06:08 AM)LukaMVP Wrote: [ -> ]every trade is a gamble in some way, so i ain't calling the wood deal a failure or anything
(02-16-2023, 06:56 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I don't have so much problem with the trade itself and I agree each one is a gamble to a certain extent. What I have a problem with is that Mavs missed on basically every trade so far in the "Luka era". From that perspective I think this trade and how they handled the overall situation is just another in a series of misses. Mavs traded a FRP for a guy to be third center and play 15-20 minutes of the bench and leave in the summer??? That is just stupid. Wood wasn't the last missing piece in the carefully laid out puzzle. The way they did it it was just another wasted asset in ever more desperate attempt to actually put some pieces around Luka.
(02-16-2023, 07:27 AM)WildArkieBoy Wrote: [ -> ]From a distance, bringing in Wood seems like a Nico move not endorsed, supported or even implemented by JKidd, almost like a child getting a new toy and throwing it in the corner.