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Not saying it is completely rational, but Kidd demands more from his bigs defensively than the guards. THJ puts forth much better effective defense (not great/not even good) as an adequate defender than Wood. Wood has improved and hopefully will continue that improvement, but when he screws the pooch it is glaring and usually is a killer.

(02-13-2023, 04:46 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]To bring this back on thread topic, I don’t get why THJ gets all the leeway he gets while a player like Wood doesn’t. To me, he hasn’t in any way gotten a fair shake at getting to play like he wants, or in a more compromising way to get enough data to see what his effect is on the floor. There’s a lot of talk about his attitude and then ignoring what might be the same in THJ.

When have we ever heard anything negative about THJs attitude? I think the difference couldn´t be any bigger. THJ plays hard. No matter what you think about his shot selection or individual defense. He makes a lot of unselfish plays for the team and puts his body on the line to make up for some of his short comings on the defensive end. THJ alone has drawn more charges than the entire rest of the roster combined.

Brings us back to fan vs player/coaches perspective. Talk about THJ´s attitude is a fan thing. Never heard a bad thing from a current or former teammate. Talk about Wood is coming from the Rockets and Pistons locker room.

Ever seen THJ behave like this?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/3298...ources-say

THJ still has some value in him but that value is shrinking quickly. furthermore, his contract is also a glaring deterrent to potential teams that might have a bit interest in him. all these factors make him a bad asset that can hardly be converted into anything more useful, albeit not as sh!tty as bertans.

(02-13-2023, 05:25 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]When have we ever heard anything negative about THJs attitude? I think the difference couldn´t be any bigger. THJ plays hard. No matter what you think about his shot selection or individual defense. He makes a lot of unselfish plays for the team and puts his body on the line to make up for some of his short comings on the defensive end. THJ alone has drawn more charges than the entire rest of the roster combined.

Brings us back to fan vs player/coaches perspective. Talk about THJ´s attitude is a fan thing. Never heard a bad thing from a current or former teammate. Talk about Wood is coming from the Rockets and Pistons locker room.

Possible attitude when coming off the bench. Before his signing he said he is a starter in this league. I don’t think that you can rule out attitude being the reason his contribution plummets when he comes off the bench. IF that is true, his attitude is holding the team and coaching staff hostage while playing the good soldier in the lockerroom. None of these statements are definitive as you’re attacking them to be.

starting him ain't a problem, kidd just needs to limit his minutes when he appears inefficient. you can start a mediocre player just to fill up the starting five, just as carlisle did with Antonie Wright. dude was our starting SG through majority of the 08-09 season, so JET could come off the bench as our 6th man.

(02-13-2023, 05:36 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Possible attitude when coming off the bench. Before his signing he said he is a starter in this league. I don’t think that you can rule out attitude being the reason his contribution plummets when he comes off the bench. IF that is true, his attitude is holding the team and coaching staff hostage while playing the good soldier in the lockerroom. None of these statements are definitive as you’re attacking them to be.

Case in point. Wild assumptions (fan perspective) when it comes to THJs attitude vs actual examples from situations where Wood ran into problems with coaches/teammates (coach/player perspective).
One is not like the other. At least for people that aren´t desperately trying to blame THJ.

(02-13-2023, 06:04 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Case in point. Wild assumptions (fan perspective) when it comes to THJs attitude vs actual examples from situations where Wood ran into problems with coaches/teammates (coach/player perspective).
One is not like the other. At least for people that aren´t desperately trying to blame THJ.

“Wild assumptions”…

(02-13-2023, 06:05 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]“Wild assumptions”…

Is BS better?

(02-13-2023, 06:14 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Is BS better?

No, it’s not.

So funny you all distract and go off on lengthy discussion about his locker room presence...when this is all about on court play. 

I have not seen an NBA player take as many bad shots as THJ, chuck as much, refuse to pass the rock as much or pass up good bball plays for bad shots as much as THJ.

The above sentence is fact.  You want to argue semantics and claim there are other ball hogs.  True...but do they have low skill?  You want to say there are other chuckers.  True...but do they consistently pass up as many best bball plays as THJ?  You want to say there are other guys that dont pass.  True...but do they consistently refuse to pass to the wide open guy next to them to take a bad contested shot as THJ consistently does?   Argue Argue Argue.

And you all are just dancing and stretching truth to defend it.  Lie lie lie until the end.  You know hes not a good player and doesnt deserve minutes based on skill and IQ.   You cant admit because you think it triggers me.   Pretty sad.

should re-arrange some of THJ minutes to bertans. bertans has good size and has team's best 3%. dude could be our kyle korver, the type of player that suits lebron's game style, so I guess a good shooter can do alot to help luka as well. his D may be poor which is the main reason he lost his spot in our rotation, but he can still be useful when we need a change to our offensive game plan.

(02-13-2023, 07:57 PM)LukaMVP Wrote: [ -> ]should re-arrange some of THJ minutes to bertans. bertans has good size and has team's best 3%. dude could be our kyle korver, the type of player that suits lebron's game style, so I guess a good shooter can do alot to help luka as well. his D may be poor which is the main reason he lost his spot in our rotation, but he can still be useful when we need a change to our offensive game plan.

They claiming THJ good at defense now.  So the Bertans argument I didnt bring up.  I would argue that Bertans spacing and willingness to pass or make best bball play outweighs THJ and his new defense lol.

(02-13-2023, 05:50 PM)LukaMVP Wrote: [ -> ]starting him ain't a problem, kidd just needs to limit his minutes when he appears inefficient. you can start a mediocre player just to fill up the starting five, just as carlisle did with Antonie Wright. dude was our starting SG through majority of the 08-09 season, so JET could come off the bench as our 6th man.

Except we don't apply the rules consistently. THJ was inefficient game after game after game almost the entire season. He didn't the same treatment. If he was a difference maker on the other end, then it's fair enough. He's not though. Just be consistent if you are gonna apply these rules to your role players.

(02-13-2023, 05:35 PM)LukaMVP Wrote: [ -> ]THJ still has some value in him but that value is shrinking quickly. furthermore, his contract is also a glaring deterrent to potential teams that might have a bit interest in him. all these factors make him a bad asset that can hardly be converted into anything more useful, albeit not as sh!tty as bertans.

Why is his value "shrinking quickly"?  He is playing the best defense of his life and his TS will likely regress back to mid 50s.  His contract (while too much) is descending while the cap will be increasing.  As time goes on he will be less and less a percentage of the cap and closer to expiring.  His asset value is much more likely to go up than down.

I can understand DP starting.
But Kidd needs to stop making Wood the third big off the bench.

Neither DP or McGee would be significant in the PO.
Gotta make Wood get familiarized with the Luka-Kyrie-Green show.
Like it or not, he's that big who can be a factor (other than Maxi of course).

Dwight Powell and JaVale McGee are not NBA players.

(02-13-2023, 11:37 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Dwight Powell and JaVale McGee are not NBA players.

Stats though, bro?

We played DP and average of just under 14 minutes a game in playoffs last year.  What does that say?

(02-13-2023, 11:37 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Dwight Powell and JaVale McGee are not NBA players.

McGee had more demand leaguewide this offseason than Wood.

(02-13-2023, 07:57 PM)LukaMVP Wrote: [ -> ]should re-arrange some of THJ minutes to bertans. bertans has good size and has team's best 3%. dude could be our kyle korver, the type of player that suits lebron's game style, so I guess a good shooter can do alot to help luka as well. his D may be poor which is the main reason he lost his spot in our rotation, but he can still be useful when we need a change to our offensive game plan.

Given that the biggest issue is defense (by a mile) I'm not sure more Bertans is the answer.

(02-13-2023, 08:39 PM)Dundalis Wrote: [ -> ]Except we don't apply the rules consistently. THJ was inefficient game after game after game almost the entire season. He didn't the same treatment. If he was a difference maker on the other end, then it's fair enough. He's not though. Just be consistent if you are gonna apply these rules to your role players.

I'm not saying Wood has been treated fairly, and he is not alone in missing defensive assignments and making bonehead plays, but being inefficient because your shot is off is not the same thing.  Guys shot goes up and down throughout the season and generally coaches are patient knowing the shot will come back.  In extreme cases (see Bullock) guys will lose minutes and starting spot, but Tim (who has struggled with his shot) has not been as bad as Bullock was the first two months of the season.