(12-27-2022, 10:44 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/MavsFilmRoom/status/...6001430529
As I indicated yesterday, the tide seems to be shifting.
This also came up on the Lowe-Post. Both McMahon and Lowe thought Wood should take the two years if offered. Seems a middle ground might be TO third year with a partial guarantee. That is a common way of raising the AAV of the guaranteed years of the contract if the team decides to move on early.
I think it is probably wise to be thinking about Plan Powder 25 when looking at things like this (and other non-star deals). I'm not nearly as worried about Luka leaving as some here. You can write it in pen...he will opt out of his PO and take a $300mm Super Max extension starting in 26/27. The time to start worrying about Luka leaving is after that.
(12-28-2022, 08:44 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]You can write it in pen...he will opt out of his PO and take a $300mm Super Max extension starting in 26/27. The time to start worrying about Luka leaving is after that.
Totally agree with you. Which is why the team building should be for the LONG term right now. I hate all the short-sighted moves. HATE.
Please no to plan powder. Just extend him and be happy. You could put together a better trade package in the future with Wood on a reasonable long term deal compared to shopping him at this year's deadline on an expiring.
(12-28-2022, 08:44 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]As I indicated yesterday, the tide seems to be shifting.
This also came up on the Lowe-Post. Both McMahon and Lowe thought Wood should take the two years if offered. Seems a middle ground might be TO third year with a partial guarantee. That is a common way of raising the AAV of the guaranteed years of the contract if the team decides to move on early.
I think it is probably wise to be thinking about Plan Powder 25 when looking at things like this (and other non-star deals). I'm not nearly as worried about Luka leaving as some here. You can write it in pen...he will opt out of his PO and take a $300mm Super Max extension starting in 26/27. The time to start worrying about Luka leaving is after that.
That ain´t happening. Cuban thinks draft picks are trash, Luka makes him money, so why would he ever consider trading Luka?
Cuban is not a reasonable man and Luka might not understand this, but his agent Duffy does. There is no way to force a trade out of Dallas.
Therefore Luka does not sign a super-max extension in Dallas, unless he´s on a championship dynasty contender. Otherwise he´s stuck with this loser franchise until 2030. He´s not waiting till he is 31 years old to play for a competent owner.
The last max extension was life-altering money, he simply could not refuse. Now he has 250M in the bank. He´s not hitching himself to a petulant man child, because of a $50M difference (or whatever it is) that sponsorships will easily account for, when he becomes the face of the NBA and signs with one of the LA teams, NY teams, Boston or Miami.
The NBA or Nike have no interest in Luka playing for a trash franchise for over a decade either. He´ll hear it from his agent, from the sponsors, from the NBA, and from the media. You want to be an ATG, you have to leave. He ain´t no Dirk.
He´s not signing that extension. To think so is delusional. I´d actually have no respect for him, if he did. That´s pissing away his legacy.
(12-28-2022, 09:16 AM)loki Wrote: [ -> ]Please no to plan powder. Just extend him and be happy. You could put together a better trade package in the future with Wood on a reasonable long term deal compared to shopping him at this year's deadline on an expiring.
Maybe it's somehow about a free agency quest coming. But there's another way to look at this other than it being a plan powder play.
1st we need to notice that, if McMahon's inference is accurate, Wood is good on an extension of some sort. It's just the Mavs who have hesitations. That tells us something different that was being assumed.
2nd it's looking like the Mavs aren't all fully convinced yet they want to be stuck with Wood - or that anyone else will be either.
If that's the case, then the shorter contract is a compromise in multiple ways. It lets them make a commitment to keep him, without so much commitment that it will strangle them if it doesn't work. It also allows Wood to up his game, so that he has a longer window (rather than just a few months) to show the Mavs they need him for much longer.
It becomes a 2-year tryout. In which he still gets paid with a raise (presumably) over what he was making before. And if he does become an all-star by playing in Dallas, as he hopes, then he gets to a new contract sooner, so there's incentive and upside for him as well.
(12-29-2022, 12:01 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe it's somehow about a free agency quest coming. But there's another way to look at this other than it being a plan powder play.
1st we need to notice that, if McMahon's inference is accurate, Wood is good on an extension of some sort. It's just the Mavs who have hesitations. That tells us something different that was being assumed.
2nd it's looking like the Mavs aren't all fully convinced yet they want to be stuck with Wood - or that anyone else will be either.
If that's the case, then the shorter contract is a compromise in multiple ways. It lets them make a commitment to keep him, without so much commitment that it will strangle them if it doesn't work. It also allows Wood to up his game, so that he has a longer window (rather than just a few months) to show the Mavs they need him for much longer.
It becomes a 2-year tryout. In which he still gets paid with a raise (presumably) over what he was making before. And if he does become an all-star by playing in Dallas, as he hopes, then he gets to a new contract sooner, so there's incentive and upside for him as well.
Agreed.
I think at least part of the thinking is keeping the OPTION of creating cap space in the fairly near future, but that certainly isn't the ONLY reason they might be thinking this way, as you illustrate above.
I'm encouraged by this talk. It seems we're starting to see "negotiating in the press" which, to me, is a welcome sign that things are progressing.
(12-29-2022, 10:38 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]He´s not signing that extension. To think so is delusional. I´d actually have no respect for him, if he did. That´s pissing away his legacy.
He'll maximize his contract potential and can always have a handshake deal with the MBT to trade him should they not build a contender. This is common practice.
Seems obvious that Wood has issues. He’s being handled like a problem rookie. Is it work ethic? Is it weed? Is it weed-inspired work ethic? Something else entirely? I certainly don’t know. But there is more going on there than meets the eye. Contract-year motivation seems to be what Mavs are willing to pay for. That’s the reason to say no to 4 years. Interesting.
(12-29-2022, 05:17 PM)WildArkieBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Which is preferable; signing CWood for four years or trading him?
What's the contract number and what are you getting if you trade him?
He's not signing for 2 years and if he keeps playing the way he is, the 4 year max we can offer won't cut it. The same thing is happening that happened with Brunson last year. Wood has been inserted into the started lineup and is producing on both ends of the court while staying efficient on offense. The same people thinking we can sign him for 2 years will be mad when he walks like Brunson. This team gets too cute with players like this is some prime destination for players to come and it's not. At some point it has to be about retaining your own talent while also growing talent and making good trades when they arise.
(12-29-2022, 10:44 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: [ -> ]He's not signing for 2 years and if he keeps playing the way he is, the 4 year max we can offer won't cut it. The same thing is happening that happened with Brunson last year. Wood has been inserted into the started lineup and is producing on both ends of the court while staying efficient on offense. The same people thinking we can sign him for 2 years will be mad when he walks like Brunson. This team gets too cute with players like this is some prime destination for players to come and it's not. At some point it has to be about retaining your own talent while also growing talent and making good trades when they arise.
You might be right, and I’ll FOR SURE be mad if he walks for nothing, but then again, I low key thought he’d get a better contract when he was free and signed with Houston, and then was pretty surprised at how cheaply he was acquired via trade.
All that said, I’m getting close to being ready to offer the full 4 years if I’m Dallas.
Not a fan of some of his on court habits. Know nothing about his off court habits. I say we sign him asap.
If he stays up until 4am smoking pot and playing video games...if he is always ready to bounce from practice asap...I say we sign this kid asap.
Im very leery of some of his amateurish habits leading to him being benched in a playoff setting. But I still say we sign this kid. I think this is a toy Luka can play with.
This is how talent starved I am as a Mavs fan.
Wood's contract range will be real interesting. I don't think we have a full answer yet. A few weeks ago, I would have said he has been a known quantity that teams weren't very interested in the past. Would a bad team with cap space prioritize a 28 year old who has not moved the needle on bad teams? Would a good team prioritize him?
Recently, he has begun impacting games outside of scoring and appears to be fitting in doing a lot of the boring things well. Does that perk up the ears of other teams?
Does Dallas coaching staff deserve any credit for his improved play?
(12-30-2022, 09:09 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Does Dallas coaching staff deserve any credit for his improved play?
Sure, but I doubt this is the first good coaching he has gotten since going pro.
The real heroes are Wood, himself, the standards of the nebulous "locker room culture" here (his peers expect to win and it's "cool" to do your part to win on a good team), and the fact that he's finally getting a chance at a role that plays to his strengths on a good team.
(12-30-2022, 09:09 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Wood's contract range will be real interesting. I don't think we have a full answer yet. A few weeks ago, I would have said he has been a known quantity that teams weren't very interested in the past. Would a bad team with cap space prioritize a 28 year old who has not moved the needle on bad teams? Would a good team prioritize him?
Recently, he has begun impacting games outside of scoring and appears to be fitting in doing a lot of the boring things well. Does that perk up the ears of other teams?
Does Dallas coaching staff deserve any credit for his improved play?
I still don´t think it does. His perceived character flaws mean rebuilding teams don´t want him, especially after the Houston chaos. And contenders don´t have the capspace to pay him.
Let´s not forget that last summer Malik Monk was the highest paid free agent outside of Brunson that changed teams at 20/2. I honestly rather overpay Wood on a two year deal than trying to figure out what a fair price is for him on a four year deal. Plus how does he behave with less incentive to do so aka a McGee retirement fund contract.
(12-30-2022, 12:10 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly rather overpay Wood on a two year deal than trying to figure out what a fair price is for him on a four year deal. Plus how does he behave with less incentive to do so aka a McGee retirement fund contract.
This is a valid perspective, imo.