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(03-04-2023, 06:18 PM)LukaMVP Wrote: [ -> ]players are generally overpaid these days. bertans got paid generously just for 3pt shooting, so i guess some team will offer him more than what we think he is worth, regardless of his flaws.

I doubt it. Bertans is a one-trick pony who hasn't been very good at his one specialty. I realize he's been hurt, but he wasn't setting the world on fire before he did.

(03-04-2023, 09:43 AM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]A player can have his stats taken away by a coach. A player cannot have his ATTITUDE taken away by a coach. At least not a mentally tough player.

And I think you might have the roles on the team confused. The GM team acquires "assets" and the coach tries to win with the players the GM acquires. Maybe the coach has input into the player acquisition process but that doesn't matter on the court. A coach should attempt to give his team the best possible chance to win the game - coaching to make a player an "asset" is not coaching to win.

From the very start, I have said CWood displaying the attitude of his checking out on the team is wrong. Don't confuse yourself with what is being discussed (supposedly).
It's that -------> KIDD HAS A PART ON WHY CWOOD HAS CHECKED OUT.
I'm not sure why this is hard to understand.

LOL no, on not coaching a player to be an asset. That's exactly the basic thing a coach does, not just the HC but all coaches. The work in developing rookies falls on coaches. Scouts can only do the scouting (of course) and GMs finds a way to get players. But making sure those acquired players DO NOT FALL on the GM, but the coaches has the biggest inputs on those. And this of course does not fall on rookies alone.

But..

I'm not even sure why I'm explaining things. This feels like side quest after side quest when the main topic is just you blaming CWood for his attitude and defending Kidd as if he has no part on why this has happened.

(03-05-2023, 01:32 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]  blaming CWood for his attitude

Like the rest of us, Wood is the sole person who determines his attitude, and is the sole person who can change his attitude, so he gets all credit and all blame for wherever it lands. It's as simple as that.

(03-03-2023, 12:01 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]They will be down 2-0 in the first round and realize yet again that Dwight isn't playable. They will be forced to call on Christian Wood. Christian Wood will deliver.

Jump on the train, Wood haters.

Powell still got those crunchtime minutes at the end of the game. There's just nothing Wood can do...in order for the coaches to trust you as a big man, you have to be a member of the team for a minimum of 5 years like Powell and Kleber

(03-05-2023, 03:44 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Like the rest of us, Wood is the sole person who determines his attitude, and is the sole person who can change his attitude, so he gets all credit and all blame for wherever it lands. It's as simple as that.

Alright.
It's clear to me now.

1. A coach has no power to influence how certain players play.
2. Jason Kidd has nothing to do with how Wood is playing.

Got it. Whatever.

(03-05-2023, 04:21 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]Alright.
It's clear to me now.

1. A coach has no power to influence how certain players play.
2. Jason Kidd has nothing to do with how Wood is playing.

Got it. Whatever.

To be clear, I never said any of that. I responded to the idea that someone else is/was supposedly responsible for Wood's attitude. Which is utter nonsense.

I don't know (and none of us do) what is going on in Wood's head. I don't buy in to those who claim to know. But I do know he alone sets his attitude. If his attitude is great, or if his attitude sux, that's on him.

(03-05-2023, 04:21 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]Alright.
It's clear to me now.

1. A coach has no power to influence how certain players play.
2. Jason Kidd has nothing to do with how Wood is playing.

Got it. Whatever.

In the mind of a Wood hater, Kidd could bang Wood’s mom and he would be expected to show up and be a perfect soldier.

(03-05-2023, 04:34 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]In the mind of a Wood hater, Kidd could bang Wood’s mom and he would be expected to show up and be a perfect soldier.

It's extreme nonsense like this that that has made me abstain from these discussions. Thought there was room for a common-sense reality point, without having to wade through ad hominem labeling and  inane strawmen used to try to silence actual conversation. My mistake.

(03-05-2023, 04:43 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]It's extreme nonsense like this that that has made me abstain from these discussions. Thought there was room for a common-sense reality point, without having to wade through ad hominem labeling and  inane strawmen used to try to silence actual conversation. My mistake.

I apologize, it seems you aren’t familiar with my game.

In general, I don't think there is anything gained by the "game" of labeling others with insulting nicknames, and I don't think it advances or encourages discussion to turn opinions you don't want to hear into an exercise of putting absurd ideas in someone else's mouth.

I don't take it personal (apology appreciated and accepted), but I also don't see any value in such a conversation. It turns the convo into an echo chamber, which imo (in this case) is only enjoyable for those who want to endorse and cater to Wood's whims, and prove their bona fides by their faithfulness to all things Wood.

(03-05-2023, 04:59 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]In general, I don't think there is anything gained by the "game" of labeling others with insulting nicknames, and I don't think it advances or encourages discussion to turn opinions you don't want to hear into an exercise of putting absurd ideas in someone else's mouth.

I don't take it personal (apology appreciated and accepted), but I also don't see any value in such a conversation. It turns the convo into an echo chamber, which imo (in this case) is only enjoyable for those who want to endorse and cater to Wood's whims, and prove their bona fides by their faithfulness to all things Wood.

Insulting nicknames?

You think the 3 or 4 posters defending Wood are the ones in an echo chamber?

(03-05-2023, 05:08 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]You think the 3 or 4 posters defending Wood are the ones in an echo chamber?

3 or 4 posters is about half the board these days.

(03-06-2023, 12:02 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]3 or 4 posters is about half the board these days.

Drop names then boss. Or are you saying the board is dead? lol

(03-03-2023, 12:01 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]They will be down 2-0 in the first round and realize yet again that Dwight isn't playable. They will be forced to call on Christian Wood. Christian Wood will deliver.

Just a little reminder for the Dwight Powell wide open alley-oop dopamine hit enjoyers.

(03-04-2023, 03:42 PM)Cowdog Wrote: [ -> ]
There is a reason why seven other teams have given up on him. The dude can't play defense. He constantly gets lost. Until he improves, he is at best a bench scorer.

I like him, but for a limited role.

If another team offers him significantly more money than the Mavs offer him, then perhaps I was wrong about him. But I think the market will reflect his value at what I think he is: a bench scorer with little other utility.

The seven teams narrative is the dumbest narrative about Wood. He was an undrafted player and barely got a chance to play at all for his first four teams, he had to fight and claw to stay in the league. In fact he even had to spend an entire year in the D league in the '18 season so it's actually 8 teams. His fifth (really sixth) team was the first team he was on that gave him any chance for any real playing time and that was Detroit. 

He finally showed what he could do but he didn't really fit their timeline so they traded him to Houston right before they blew it up, Wood's attitude soured a lot after that because he wanted to win and he initially thought he was going to get a chance at that in Houston. Wood handled Kidd's mistreatment of him very professionally because this was the best team he'd been on with a real role. 

People will simp for Kidd just because he's the head coach, but I won't. Wood is actually pretty good at certain parts of defense (look at his opponent FG% at the rim) and it's a failure of Kidd that he hasn't found a way to maximize what he can do. We've seen what happens enough times in the playoffs with Powell. Powell is the ultimate regular season fool's gold player, his advanced stats look good because he brings more hustle to the regular season than almost anybody else and he rotates well. But he gets exposed in the playoffs when other players start bringing the same level of effort because of the higher stakes and we'll ultimately ask too much of Maxi yet again. Wood actually has some skills that could tilt a series and it is coaching malpractice by Kidd not to try to integrate him harder. Almost reeks of intentionally trying to hurt his market value which will backfire in our face this summer when he might pull a Nerlens Noel and take a small deal just to get out of here out of spite and spread more bad stories about Dallas to make sure that we still can't land a free agent without overpaying.

(03-09-2023, 03:13 AM)MrGoat Wrote: [ -> ]He finally showed what he could do but he didn't really fit their timeline so they traded him to Houston right before they blew it up, Wood's attitude soured a lot after that because he wanted to win and he initially thought he was going to get a chance at that in Houston. Wood handled Kidd's mistreatment of him very professionally because this was the best team he'd been on with a real role. 

Going to play devil's advocate here...

Should Wood depart this summer (and it's likely he will if Cato is to be believed), is the 3 teams in 4 years since he's gotten a real shot any better than 7 teams in 8 years...? 

This was supposed to be Wood's chance playing on a supposed playoff team with a guy who could make his life easy. He exasperated how excited he was to play on a winning team. So far this team is injury riddled and .500 with the worst defense in the league. We've seen the Luka-Wood combo and it's a lethal weapon on offense. Wood is a fantastic offensive player and no one is denying that. Yet Kidd doesn't play him. Wood has more talent than any other big on the roster, yet can't break 25mpg. At some point a trend isn't just a trend and it just is.  Wood is a great, but flawed, player that fills a niche role (that he doesn't want to play) on a winning team. 

The Mavs failed to find a trade for an 18ppg offensive powered big where many teams were looking to buy. Expiring status definitely didn't play a role here, as all these guys got moved regardless of their impending FA: Josh Hart, Mason Plumlee, Jae Crowder, Thomas Bryant, D'Lo, Poeltl, Rui, Thybulle. 

Wood is better than almost all of those guys. That should say something on what the league (and other head coaches who definitely talk to each other) think about Wood and what he brings.

Welcome to the trenches MrGoat

(03-09-2023, 03:41 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Should Wood depart this summer (and it's likely he will if Cato is to be believed), is the 3 teams in 4 years since he's gotten a real shot any better than 7 teams in 8 years...? 

Pistons wanted to resign him (allegedly) but Wood wanted to be on a good team.

Joined the Rockets to play with Harden and Harden left. Tanking shitshow ensued.

Hasn't been given a real chance to be the guy in Dallas despite being the most talented big by a LARGE margin. Why?... Kidd?...The front office? Contract BS? Dwight is a coaches pet? I don't really find it useful to be a LARP and claim to know. Lets not forget that they promised the spot to McGee. LOL.

(03-09-2023, 03:41 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]This was supposed to be Wood's chance playing on a supposed playoff team with a guy who could make his life easy. He exasperated how excited he was to play on a winning team. So far this team is injury riddled and .500 with the worst defense in the league. We've seen the Luka-Wood combo and it's a lethal weapon on offense. Wood is a fantastic offensive player and no one is denying that. Yet Kidd doesn't play him. Wood has more talent than any other big on the roster, yet can't break 25mpg. At some point a trend isn't just a trend and it just is.  Wood is a great, but flawed, player that fills a niche role (that he doesn't want to play) on a winning team. 

We have a bottom 5 coach.

(03-09-2023, 03:41 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs failed to find a trade for an 18ppg offensive powered big where many teams were looking to buy. Expiring status definitely didn't play a role here, as all these guys got moved regardless of their impending FA: Josh Hart, Mason Plumlee, Jae Crowder, Thomas Bryant, D'Lo, Poeltl, Rui, Thybulle.

Unless you have Nico's phone tapped, there is no way you could make the argument that nobody wanted Wood. I could list several alternatives, but again LARPing as an FBI agent with insider info isn't for me.