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(12-04-2022, 02:34 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]

Now do Wood w/ Green and w/o

& Luka w/ Green and w/o Green

(12-04-2022, 03:11 PM)sefant Wrote: [ -> ]Now do Wood w/ Green and w/o

& Luka w/ Green and w/o Green

(12-04-2022, 04:27 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]

These numbers are crazy.  Green has played well so far, but he obviously has not had this kind of actual impact.  If you peel the onion a little bit, a lot of this is because Green has mostly been playing against second units and when you have Luka (or to a lesser extend Wood) going against second units, they crush it.  It also doesn't hurt that Green is generally replacing Bullock, who has been shitastic so far.  In fact, the three guys that seem to have an on/off out of whack with what you see in the box score are all replacing somebody either really good (Dinwiddie replacing an MVP candidate) or really bad (Green and Powell replacing Bullock and McGee).

(12-05-2022, 05:08 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Green has played well so far, but he obviously has not had this kind of actual impact.

I'm not huge on on/off, I think it can tell you some things but I always think there needs to be more context like you laid out...

But in my opinion Josh Green has definitely had that kind of impact this season and needs more minutes.  I would argue he's been the second best player on the roster this season, at the very least the second most consistent.

The shooting is there, the defense is there, the energy is there and now he's starting to get to the rim.  His leap this year is obviously something we talk about a lot here but I still feel like it's being understated.  His play jumps off the screen and the number of winning plays he's making just keeps piling up while it's really hard to point to the losing ones.

Is this true, that the Mavs have a deadline to offer Wood an extension?

"Wood is in the final year of his contract, and he has an extension deadline on Dec. 24. Do the Mavs let him play out his deal and become an unrestricted free agent in the offseason, or will they offer him an extension before Christmas Eve?"

Rumors: Dallas Mavericks interested in center upgrade (thesmokingcuban.com)

(12-06-2022, 06:39 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ]Is this true, that the Mavs have a deadline to offer Wood an extension?

"Wood is in the final year of his contract, and he has an extension deadline on Dec. 24. Do the Mavs let him play out his deal and become an unrestricted free agent in the offseason, or will they offer him an extension before Christmas Eve?"

Rumors: Dallas Mavericks interested in center upgrade (thesmokingcuban.com)

@"F Gump" would know.

All I know is that IF that's a real deadline the dude isn't getting an extension.

(12-06-2022, 06:46 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]@"F Gump" would know.

All I know is that IF that's a real deadline the dude isn't getting an extension.

I'm not Forrest, but I'm pretty sure there isn't a 12/24 "deadline".  Veteran extensions can be signed up to June 30.

Because he was traded, there are two versions of how Wood might be extended depending on when it is done.  He's eligible to be extended right now for up to two years beyond the current with a 20% initial bump and 5% raises...about $35mm dollars beyond what he's currently owed.

Six months from the trade (which is 12/24), he's eligible for up to four new years, same 20% bump initially and 8% raises.  That gets him to about $77mm extra dollars beyond his current contract.

If nothing is done after 6/30, He's unrestricted, but Mav's have full Bird rights.

As to the rest of the article, I heard someone on a podcast today responding to a published 'trade idea', not rumor.  I didn't catch whose idea it was.  The deal was Josh, McGee and a 2nd for Poeltl.  The commentator didn't think either side would do the deal.  SA wouldn't want to eat the McGee contract.  Dallas wouldn't give up Josh for an expiring Poeltl.  He liked Poeltl, but he wasn't sure he would close games here.

(12-06-2022, 07:48 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]As to the rest of the article, I heard someone on a podcast today responding to a published 'trade idea', not rumor.  I didn't catch whose idea it was.  The deal was Josh, McGee and a 2nd for Poeltl.  The commentator didn't think either side would do the deal.  SA wouldn't want to eat the McGee contract.  Dallas wouldn't give up Josh for an expiring Poeltl.  He liked Poeltl, but he wasn't sure he would close games here.

Negatory on that one, from my POV. 

Poeltl is an ok piece to have, but he's still just a good version of a player type I don't value, whereas Green is the exact type of player every team wants to stockpile, especially if he continues to improve (and I don't see why he wouldn't).

(12-06-2022, 06:39 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ]Is this true, that the Mavs have a deadline to offer Wood an extension?

"Wood is in the final year of his contract, and he has an extension deadline on Dec. 24. Do the Mavs let him play out his deal and become an unrestricted free agent in the offseason, or will they offer him an extension before Christmas Eve?"

Rumors: Dallas Mavericks interested in center upgrade (thesmokingcuban.com)

This is all nonsense - in fact, it's about the exact opposite of what is accurate. They can sign him to a very limited extension now (max would be 2 yrs and about 30M-ish), then on Dec 24, they get MORE freedom added (max would be increased to 4 yrs and about 76M-ish). For bigger money than any of that, he would have to wait until free agency.

Or wait forever, perhaps.

I know that many here talked early on about him getting much bigger numbers than any extension allows, from someone, but based on what we have seen so far on the court as a Mav, I don't buy it at all. He can put up stats, but he clearly has other flaws that limit his effectiveness (and therefore his value imo). I keep coming back to the comp that he's a better version of Boban (a big who is enticing since he can put up attractive numbers) but who also can be somewhat hard to use because of the rest of his game. He does have more range and more mobility than Bobi, so that adds to the possibilities, and perhaps he can work out some of the other issues to some degree, so there's reason to hope, but I can't see any reason yet for massive money like he might be thinking he'll command.

(12-06-2022, 08:11 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I keep coming back to the comp that he's a better version of Boban

(12-06-2022, 08:11 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]This is all nonsense - in fact, it's about the exact opposite of what is accurate. They can sign him to a very limited extension now (max would be 2 yrs and about 30M-ish), then on Dec 24, they get MORE freedom added (max would be increased to 4 yrs and about 76M-ish). For bigger money than any of that, he would have to wait until free agency.

Or wait forever, perhaps.

I know that many here talked early on about him getting much bigger numbers than any extension allows, from someone, but based on what we have seen so far on the court as a Mav, I don't buy it at all. He can put up stats, but he clearly has other flaws that limit his effectiveness (and therefore his value imo). I keep coming back to the comp that he's a better version of Boban (a big who is enticing since he can put up attractive numbers) but who also can be somewhat hard to use because of the rest of his game. He does have more range and more mobility than Bobi, so that adds to the possibilities, and perhaps he can work out some of the other issues to some degree, so there's reason to hope, but I can't see any reason yet for massive money like he might be thinking he'll command.

Philosophically I can understand your Bobi comp even if I hate it as it really undersells Wood as an offensive weapon and a pretty great rebounder.  I'd be happy with 2 for ~30M.  I'd start to worry if we gave him more years or a much higher number.

He kind of gives me Monta vibes.

(12-06-2022, 07:48 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]As to the rest of the article, I heard someone on a podcast today responding to a published 'trade idea', not rumor.  I didn't catch whose idea it was.  The deal was Josh, McGee and a 2nd for Poeltl.  The commentator didn't think either side would do the deal.  SA wouldn't want to eat the McGee contract.  Dallas wouldn't give up Josh for an expiring Poeltl.  He liked Poeltl, but he wasn't sure he would close games here.

That whole mmb article was off info-wise. In addition to the misinformation on Wood re an extension, the article's assertion is that "Scotto notes the Mavs have shown interest in a center if ..." whereas Scotto merely offered his sense of what would interest them 'IF' they at some point decide to move on from McGee and start chasing a new center somewhere down the road. (The answer - they still want to find and add exactly what they had HOPED to get in McGee.)

That's a meaningful difference, to get an accurate read on whether or not the Mavs have already moved on from McGee as a possibility. From Scotto, they haven't yet. And it's hard to think they could make a trade of McGee for the same sort of player, to play the same position, only better -- why would another team do that? I'm guessing the Mavs instead are still hoping to find a way to make the McGee thing work out.

I HATE Wood only getting 23 minutes and sitting down the stretch. He has warts (EVERY MAVS PLAYER DOES) but he has TALENT. Ugh.

Sorry it's way more important we play our Mavs culture guys who miss literally ever three and free throw they shoot

(12-10-2022, 12:42 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I HATE Wood only getting 23 minutes and sitting down the stretch. He has warts (EVERY MAVS PLAYER DOES) but he has TALENT. Ugh.

Was okay with it today. Maxi and Dwight played incredible defense on Giannis. Wood not so much. Gave up at least two And1s. Maybe I missed another one. As long as more minutes for Wood mean more minutes for Wood/SD lineups I am out. Would prefer to reduce SDs minutes but I can understand why they need another ballhandler.

(12-10-2022, 12:46 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry it's way more important we play our Mavs culture guys who miss literally ever three and free throw they shoot

Second most attempts tonight and got to the line zero times.  Maxi and Powell played well on defense.

So...what it the general consensus on Wood's ability/skill level up to this point?  I find him hard to eval since he really hasnt played too much with what you would call a "kill" lineup.  I have seen him play with Luka, Green, DFS, Maxi which might be the ultimate kill squad we could put out with him...but they didnt look like they were playing Playoff style basketball.  As in...Kidd let them be on the court together but wasnt going to show the high gears of his best squad.  It kind of looked like a freestyle offense and defense...not coordinated and practiced.

Here is what I have noticed as a casual:

Cons

Typical Big with handles that thinks he can create on smaller, quicker, twitchier defenders and gets it ripped often

Seems to be a split second late defending around the rim.  Guys get buckets on him in the paint.

Cant stand how he doesnt get back on defense after he makes a 3 or dunks.  He has to stand there and do a gesture for the crowd or something.  I dont know why he seems to have to make a scene for a half second and then get back on defense.  Similar...if he gets scored on...he always throws his arms up like its not his fault and someone elses.   If he gets ball ripped or stolen on offense...a lot of times he stands there for a second and makes a gesture like he was fouled or its not his fault instead of hurrying back on defense.  He just always has to do something extracurricular that says "look at me" instead of doing what is best for team.

Pump fakes at 3 point line too much when he should have shot it.  

Dont like his shot selection sometimes.  18ft jumpers while guarded arent very good shots in todays game.

Seems to need to unnecessarily want to show off his dribbles around the arch.   This is the NBA...not rec league.  It comes across as amateurish and low IQ to me.  Read the room...this is the NBA...most guys can dribble and do dribble tricks but you dont see guys doing it in games because its unnecessary.  

Seems soft.  I think in Playoffs he gets completely abused by thicker more physical bigs.   A lot of teams go small ball in Playoffs though.

His game seems to be based on God given talent and not devotion to the craft.   Seems sloppy and unpolished but gifted.

Pros:

Good shot at all 3 levels

Great passer.  Doesnt seem selfish

Uncanny ability to get a shot off and it go in even in traffic or in weird unbalanced positions around the rim.  Just silky smooth touch like Jokic when shooting from 8ft in.

Seems to actually try on both ends even if his defense is in question.   His defensive issues seem to stem from either bad feel for game around the rim defending or slow processor of whats happening.  But he doesnt come across as lazy or uninterested on defense.

Seems to be able to catch a basketball in traffic instead of fumble it like Powell and Maxi

Seems to be able to give smaller quicker ball handlers problems on perimeter with his long length.  Doesnt seem to get put on roller skates easy in space.  I have seen a lot of kick outs when he is defending smaller players.

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Agree with a lot here, except he's not THAT difficult to evaluate. In a lot of ways, he in what he is. Everyone wants more because the talent is there but - shocker - that was the book on Wood coming in. Seems like NBA evaluators aren't the boobs we sometimes make them out to be.

He can score and adds dimensionality to the offense but I can't overlook the fact that the defense is among the worst in the NBA when Wood gets 30 minutes. He's more Bobby Portis than Kristaps Porzingis. 

Ultimately, he's a rotation player. He's a great offensive weapon. He's good but not great overall and I think Kidd has him in the right role when paired with Kleber.

I'll add ... Is Wood worth a 1st round pick? So far, yes, absolutely. He's clearly a rotation guy and adding more value than a typical late first round pick. The jury is still out though. 
-If Dallas is bounced from the playoffs and Wood leaves for nothing, you've wasted an asset. 
-If he's traded for an upgrade, you've bought yourself some time. 
-If he's resigned for a big number, the value is questionable.