(01-03-2023, 06:05 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]When are we gonna learn that teams don't need cap space? I'm not arguing for or against Wood in this post, but this form of rebuttal really needs to stop.
Yes they do need space. That's literally how the salary cap works. What I think you're insinuating is some other team will make some trades to open up cap space. I addressed this in my post, is there a team out there that are going to pull off a bunch of trades to open up cap space for Wood? They'll have to give up picks and other assets to do so. Is there a team that thinks they're a Christian Wood away from contending? The Knicks opened up space for Brunson because his literal family runs the team. Don't think that's the case for Wood.
Is he going to force a sign and trade somewhere? Because again, without cap space, that's the only way he's getting anywhere close to 25 million a year.
I get the sense that Wood still isn't all that highly regarded around the NBA so I just doubt that teams are going to dump contracts and assets to open up cap space like the Knicks or work to pull off a sign and trade like the Heat did with Kyle Lowry.
I am of the opinion that they should offer the 2 year extension or AT MOST 3 years, with hopefully some kind of option or maybe make that 3rd year only partially guaranteed or something. If he doesn't accept that then we should just trade him at the deadline.
(01-03-2023, 05:55 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]Seems unlikely to me as I don't think Wood’s father is currently employed by any NBA team.
Knicks hired JBs father, because they wanted JB. It was not they wanted JB, because his father was there...
As for losing teams with cap space. Even losing teams have to spend money somewhere. So why not an investment into Wood? They could still trade him later, if the contract just doesn't turn bad.
(01-03-2023, 06:05 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]When are we gonna learn that teams don't need cap space? I'm not arguing for or against Wood in this post, but this form of rebuttal really needs to stop.
Exactly. There are a bunch of teams that could create cap space relatively easily and it only takes one to fall in love with Wood, especially if he has a good playoff run. Mavs gambled with JB and lost (he had a good playoff run).
(01-03-2023, 06:38 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]Yes they do need space. That's literally how the salary cap works. What I think you're insinuating is some other team will make some trades to open up cap space. I addressed this in my post, is there a team out there that are going to pull off a bunch of trades to open up cap space for Wood? They'll have to give up picks and other assets to do so. Is there a team that thinks they're a Christian Wood away from contending? The Knicks opened up space for Brunson because his literal family runs the team. Don't think that's the case for Wood.
Is he going to force a sign and trade somewhere? Because again, without cap space, that's the only way he's getting anywhere close to 25 million a year.
I get the sense that Wood still isn't all that highly regarded around the NBA so I just doubt that teams are going to dump contracts and assets to open up cap space like the Knicks or work to pull off a sign and trade like the Heat did with Kyle Lowry.
I am of the opinion that they should offer the 2 year extension or AT MOST 3 years, with hopefully some kind of option or maybe make that 3rd year only partially guaranteed or something. If he doesn't accept that then we should just trade him at the deadline.
All it takes is 1 team, this assumption that no one wants Wood other than us is just off. Why do you continually want to be kicked in the Gortats?
(01-03-2023, 06:45 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]All it takes is 1 team, this assumption that no one wants Wood other than us is just off. Why do you continually want to be kicked in the Gortats?
I don't. If he doesn't want to accept the extension then I think we should trade him at the deadline. Also, if 2/36 is insulting, then why is 4/77 all that much better? It's the same AAV, just more years. If he wants 25 million a year or something then he should reject the extension outright. And if he does, then as I said, we should trade him at the deadline.
(01-03-2023, 06:54 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]I don't. If he doesn't want to accept the extension then I think we should trade him at the deadline. Also, if 2/36 is insulting, then why is 4/77 all that much better? It's the same AAV, just more years. If he wants 25 million a year or something then he should reject the extension outright. And if he does, then as I said, we should trade him at the deadline.
That part of this discussion is why I said I wasn't replying for or against Wood. I'm not gonna claim what an insulting offer is to him without his input, I know at the beginning of the season he wanted to get starter money and make the all star team. The All star team berth gained legs with that SVG tweet. If he does make it, there will most definitely be a team that wants him and we will look back on this saying, 2/36 is an insult. If he isn't an all star, there is a lot of difference between $17M starting and $25M that could be acceptable. All teams will get the benefit of watching him in the playoffs to determine where that money lands.
I'm closer to your line of thinking in that if he doesn't extend, then trade him. However, I don't think his trade value is gonna bring back much. If it brings back some future potential, that would be the best outcome in that scenario.
(01-03-2023, 04:51 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/AndrewDBailey/status...9002361858
That's an interesting line of thinking. We often think in terms of the impact Luka has on others. What about the impact others have on him. That 70 basis point bump in TS% is huge given the volume Luka shoots. Maxi gets that same 70 basis point bump and Bullock's TS% goes up 110 basis points when he's in with Wood compared to when he isn't.
Interestingly, Wood doesn't take any Usage from Luka when they are in the game together. But he takes a ton of usage from others. SD's and Dorian's Usage drop 17% when they play with Wood. Green's usage drops 15% and THJ's drops almost 9%. Oddly, SD's Assists per 100 possessions go up by 2.84 when he plays with Wood...Odd because Assists are part of Usage.
Reggie, Maxi and Luka are significantly better 3 point shooters when playing with Wood (Luka goes from .339 w/o to .385 with). But, Hardaway goes from .406 w/o to .316 with. SD goes from .456 w/o to .347 with Wood. Those guys shoot much better when paired with Powell. THJ is a .476 shooter from three with Powell and .290 without. SD is .479 with Powell and .364 without. It is just one stat, but 3% shooting reinforces the instinct that if Wood continues to start at least one of THJ and SD would be more effective if played in the non-Wood minutes. Hardaway is a positive influence on Luka in much the same way Wood is. Luka's TS% goes from .565 without THJ to .654 with him. Reggie's TS % is also hugely benefited by playing with THJ. SD and Powell are really good for each other's efficiency and should probably be the core of the non-Wood/non-Luka minutes.
If this thing is public it can be hardly called significant competitive advantage
Especially if they are publishing much higher values than Mavs can or are willing to offer. Unless the goal is to sell high
(01-04-2023, 08:17 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]You realize
Are you speaking to me or just rhetorically?
(01-04-2023, 08:25 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Both.
I absolutely understand the implications of the $26M number. Do you think I don't?
I am just sharing info that is floating out there.
(01-04-2023, 09:57 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]I'm going to assume the Mavs didn't use ProFitX for Joel's contract. If ProFitX was the driving factor for giving McGee 3 years 16M then Cubes better cut ties with them.
Cuban actually used a top secret, new, top of the line program to steal McGee away from the rest of the NBA and get him at an advantageous 3 yrs, $16M: ProKiddX. The rest of the NBA better watch out. They will not be able to compete with this new talent and contract evaluation tool.
I used ProKiddX before purchasing a large lot of bitcoin last year.
(01-04-2023, 08:28 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I absolutely understand the implications of the $26M number. Do you think I don't?
I am just sharing info that is floating out there.
Didn’t mean to offend. I was just trying to quickly point out that the thing so many fear almost has to happen if that is anywhere near the correct number. Can’t give it to him now and can’t get anywhere near that kind of value for him in a trade. So, the only option is to wait.
Feels a bit like an agent fed piece of data given the way Grant backs it up with very specific examples of how the software correctly predicted two other Mav-centric contract amounts. That wouldn’t have come from the team and I doubt he would have said to himself “well, I wonder how this projected Brunson and Maxi”? I shouldn’t say that as I don’t know anything about Grant, but feel strongly that the other Fish acolytes I have heard on podcasts would not have come up with that. Funny thing, many here ridicule Hollinger’s system and results and Hollinger is about $4mm less than this.
Also, makes the talk of extension seem kind of silly no matter the term. Wood would clearly bet on himself with a spread of about $10mm per year…again, if this is anywhere near being a realistic number. The fact that no one on the Wood side has shot down any extension talk tells me this number is probably high.
(01-04-2023, 10:49 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Didn’t mean to offend. I was just trying to quickly point out that the thing so many fear almost has to happen if that is anywhere near the correct number. Can’t give it to him now and can’t get anywhere near that kind of value for him in a trade. So, the only option is to wait.
Not offended, just felt like it was a curious line of questioning for me. *shrug*
I think the Mavs are quickly approaching the worst possible scenario:
1) They didn't value Wood from the get go and relegated him to the bench and low minutes and making comments like he was an infantile rookie.
2) They didn't offer Wood the extension right away, not having the foresight to project his talent fit with Luka.
3) Then when forced into a bigger role by injuries (at least in part), Wood begins to shine next to Luka and with the team in general, producing at a great level and handling the duties of center (even defensively) quite well.
4) Meanwhile word leaks that the Mavs haven't had an interest in an extension for Wood. But maybe are willing to do two years because they value financial flexibility in 2025 more than Wood.
5) Wood then continues to produce in a larger role and the Mavs own contract evaluation software (at least of a couple years ago) says Wood is actually worth much more than the max extension.
This is almost an exact duplicate of the JB situation. Slow-playing the situation, missing the future evaluation, making the player feel undervalued, having the player explode in productivity, and then being faced in with an unrestricted free agency situation where you will be forced to overpay or lose the player for nothing.
Dont want to hate too much on whom ever is responsible...but not giving Wood serious minutes early on while playing the unwatchable Powell and McGee is beyond irresponsible.
There is no excuse for it at all...none. All excuses are just dancing.
Mark, Nico and Kidd should be put through the wood shredder for this.
A world where things have to be disguised as real to shock you. Meh.
