(07-15-2022, 07:38 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]4.7 billion according to forbes
5.7 billion according to bloomberg
With recent reports mentioning that he lost 300-500m this year.
Compared to 99.99999999999% of people he has no financial problems. But we are comparing him to other billionaires.
Most billionaires probably lost even more this year. We have become the Sterling Clippers though. He always claimed he would pay someone if they were worth it. Cuban is doing the same. The problem is salaries for 2nd and 3 rd tier stars have gone up as well and teams that want to win titles have to pay them too and dip into the tax. Cuban doesn’t want to do that. He knows the crowds will come in as long as Luka is here. Win or lose.
Not that I'm doubting Cuban's net worth specifically, but look at Elon Musk's net worth and then look at the house of crumbling cards that make up that net worth.
(07-15-2022, 08:38 PM)hakeemfaan Wrote: [ -> ]He knows the crowds will come in as long as Luka is here. Win or lose.
Right. So he knows Luka is his money maker. Why would he actively make choices that will make him lose his money maker?
That logic doesn't make sense.
Quick Edit: I'd agree that Cuban is a cheap ass if he didn't try and fork over 110 for Brunson. That is a lot of money for JB. The Knicks gave even more. I'll die on the hill that any team paying Brunson more than 25 mil a year isn't a good team and won't go anywhere.
Steve Ballmer isn't concerned about no damn luxury tax. He pays all his players and staff and is building a brand new arena. You can say what you want, Cuban should have kept Brunson.
(07-15-2022, 08:53 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Not that I'm doubting Cuban's net worth specifically, but look at Elon Musk's net worth and then look at the house of crumbling cards that make up that net worth.
That´s why the Mavs are so important for Cuban. Ownership shares make up nearly half of his net worth. Even better...the way he ran the show in the post championship era a steady net income was the perfect safety net for some of his risky investment.
(07-15-2022, 09:01 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]Steve Ballmer isn't concerned about no damn luxury tax. He pays all his players and staff and is building a brand new arena. You can say what you want, Cuban should have kept Brunson.
Ballmer's worth just a wee bit more than Cuban. Ballmer is exactly what Cuban thinks of himself as.
(07-15-2022, 09:04 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]Way more.
You consider 80 billion way more?
(07-15-2022, 09:05 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]You consider 80 billion way more?
It's more right? Then I do. Especially from where I'm sitting. Lol.
(07-15-2022, 09:03 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Ballmer's worth just a wee bit more than Cuban. Ballmer is exactly what Cuban thinks of himself as.
I'm pretty sure Ballmer could literally buy every NBA team with a competitive offer if he wanted to.
(07-15-2022, 09:08 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]It's more right? Then I do. Especially from where I'm sitting. Lol.
My sarcasm failed twice. In the billionaire world, Ballmer is a shark and Cuban a minnow.
I love Ballmer but growing up in IT, I rocked out to Developers, Developers, Developers long before he got into NBA ownership. He's passionate (see: fucking crazy) but he's smart enough to get the right people in place to run what he has no knowledge of.
(07-15-2022, 08:54 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Right. So he knows Luka is his money maker. Why would he actively make choices that will make him lose his money maker?
That logic doesn't make sense.
Quick Edit: I'd agree that Cuban is a cheap ass if he didn't try and fork over 110 for Brunson. That is a lot of money for JB. The Knicks gave even more. I'll die on the hill that any team paying Brunson more than 25 mil a year isn't a good team and won't go anywhere.
That´s what the Warriors understood. They are doubling down on their success. Continue to invest instead of cashing in (like Cuban). As a result they are creating revenue numbers that are miles above any other team (even big markets like LA or NY cannot keep up).
(07-15-2022, 09:10 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I'm pretty sure Ballmer could literally buy every NBA team with a competitive offer if he wanted to.
And he could give all those teams away and still have more net worth than Cubes.
(07-15-2022, 09:10 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I'm pretty sure Ballmer could literally buy every NBA team with a competitive offer if he wanted to.
He should go ahead and buy the Mavs
(07-15-2022, 08:54 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Right. So he knows Luka is his money maker. Why would he actively make choices that will make him lose his money maker?
That logic doesn't make sense.
Quick Edit: I'd agree that Cuban is a cheap ass if he didn't try and fork over 110 for Brunson. That is a lot of money for JB. The Knicks gave even more. I'll die on the hill that any team paying Brunson more than 25 mil a year isn't a good team and won't go anywhere.
It’s not just about JB. Whether you or I think it is a lot of money, the reality is a player like that deserves that money. Salaries have changed. 22m to 23m per year is absolutely correct for that type of player. So he got a bit more than that every year. Big deal. Most teams would have given him that deal. Unlike the Knicks most probably didn’t think Dallas would ever let him go and didn’t waste their time pursuing him. We bring up his shortcomings against GS. Even Tatum struggled against GS. Ayton was unplayable and still got a max contract. Also, does anyone feel that JB’s contract is an albatross? It can easily be moved. JB will always have a strong floor due to his professionalism and work ethic.
Also this irrational worry about whether players can be moved is why the Mavs would rather split up the money among 3 mediocre players than give someone like DAngelo a big contract. GS did that even though they knew he probably didn’t fit with their style. They just used him as an asset to get Wiggins. Meanwhile the Mavs will feel proud that their contracts are more manageable even though the $20m Bertans deal is pretty much unmoveable because again it is a mediocre talent.
The sad thing is that the Mavs stinginess for over a decade has somehow percolated into many of their fans brains as well where they are starting to rationalize that stinginess and make excuses for Cuban. That is fine but if you are only going to break the bank for a true stud then basically you are telling Luka that you are not going to give him the best chance to ever win.
(07-16-2022, 10:40 AM)hakeemfaan Wrote: [ -> ]Salaries have changed.
The problem as I see it is that NBA front offices tend to chase trends and you'll get overpays on positions or skillsets that quickly become regrettable. Most recently it happened with one dimensional shooters (Bertans, Harris, Robinson) because NBA offense became all about the three. Oddly enough we bucked that trend with Curry only to trade him away and later end up with one of those horrible contracts. You can also get the perfect storm of a large salary cap bump and severely average players getting massive paydays off of a career year. Look at our very own Ian Mahimni and contracts signed around the same time as the perfect example
With JB, you probably want to err on the side of an overpay for a lot of reasons. Even if his upside is limited, he's not one dimensional and he always puts the work in to improve and then improves. And as we saw, the likelihood of a return on our investment in him was slim to none and of course we got none. Dallas typically has to outbid teams in dollars or years (McGee) to get them here.
I posted about this before but I'm still not sure what to think of the mid-tier contracts. I think I'd rather just have max deals (Luka), bargain deals (DFS, Maxi, Bullock) and low end veteran deals (McGee) than I would mid level deals (THJ, Brunson) but that's in an ideal world with options and Mavs usually don't have a lot of those.
(07-16-2022, 01:29 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]The problem as I see it is that NBA front offices tend to chase trends and you'll get overpays on positions or skillsets that quickly become regrettable. Most recently it happened with one dimensional shooters (Bertans, Harris, Robinson) because NBA offense became all about the three. Oddly enough we bucked that trend with Curry only to trade him away and later end up with one of those horrible contracts. You can also get the perfect storm of a large salary cap bump and severely average players getting massive paydays off of a career year. Look at our very own Ian Mahimni and contracts signed around the same time as the perfect example
With JB, you probably want to err on the side of an overpay for a lot of reasons. Even if his upside is limited, he's not one dimensional and he always puts the work in to improve and then improves. And as we saw, the likelihood of a return on our investment in him was slim to none and of course we got none. Dallas typically has to outbid teams in dollars or years (McGee) to get them here.
I posted about this before but I'm still not sure what to think of the mid-tier contracts. I think I'd rather just have max deals (Luka), bargain deals (DFS, Maxi, Bullock) and low end veteran deals (McGee) than I would mid level deals (THJ, Brunson) but that's in an ideal world with options and Mavs usually don't have a lot of those.
Research corroborates your opinion:
https://www.truehoop.com/p/the-dollar-va...inning-nba
(07-16-2022, 01:29 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]The problem as I see it is that NBA front offices tend to chase trends and you'll get overpays on positions or skillsets that quickly become regrettable. Most recently it happened with one dimensional shooters (Bertans, Harris, Robinson) because NBA offense became all about the three. Oddly enough we bucked that trend with Curry only to trade him away and later end up with one of those horrible contracts. You can also get the perfect storm of a large salary cap bump and severely average players getting massive paydays off of a career year. Look at our very own Ian Mahimni and contracts signed around the same time as the perfect example
With JB, you probably want to err on the side of an overpay for a lot of reasons. Even if his upside is limited, he's not one dimensional and he always puts the work in to improve and then improves. And as we saw, the likelihood of a return on our investment in him was slim to none and of course we got none. Dallas typically has to outbid teams in dollars or years (McGee) to get them here.
I posted about this before but I'm still not sure what to think of the mid-tier contracts. I think I'd rather just have max deals (Luka), bargain deals (DFS, Maxi, Bullock) and low end veteran deals (McGee) than I would mid level deals (THJ, Brunson) but that's in an ideal world with options and Mavs usually don't have a lot of those.
Interesting. Surely a Knicks-beating JB contract (if such a thing could have ever existed) would have been more easy to stomach if we weren't throwing money down the toilet on Bertans, Powell, and (to a lesser extent) THJ.