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(06-13-2022, 01:47 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]Denver - Jalen Williams at 21 and Jake LaRavia at 30. Wow.

Feels like no one has a pulse on the order these wings are going to go.

(06-13-2022, 01:42 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]I think my skepticism comes from the idea that Cuban wants to at least pay as little tax as possible and he just watched a team without Hardaway get to the conference finals.  I agree that it may take the #26 pick to pull that off and if it comes to that I doubt (hope) they do it unless we're getting back a different pick in this first round, but I definitely think they may try to get it done with multiple second round picks or cash.  It may not be moving Hardaway for nothing but I definitely think that a move centered around Hardaway that allows us to retain the core that got us to the WCF and then add a player on a rookie contract (and potentially another one at the TPE pay level) is probably a better scenario in Cuban's mind then cutting Frank or Burke.  I understand that you can argue that adding Hardaway to that core is viewed as a positive but based on the rumors at the deadline and the success without him, I just assume he's as good as gone.  Not necessarily advocating for it...

My issue with the idea isn't what you think (though I do value Hardaway's potential on-court contribution much more than you, it seems). 

I just think what you're suggesting (trading him with NO salary incoming) values him MORE than any other trade I've seen suggested for him. Like, Hardaway and some 2nds for nothing values him MORE than Hardaway for Turner (not suggesting such a deal is likely), imho, because I think the money is what these trades are all about. I literally can't remember the last time I saw a "talent for talent" trade in the NBA. I suppose last season's BRK/PHI deal kind of qualifies, but everyone basically had a gun to their heads in that situation.

(06-13-2022, 01:52 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]My issue with the idea isn't what you think (though I do value Hardaway's potential on-court contribution much more than you, it seems). 

I just think what you're suggesting (trading him with NO salary incoming) values him MORE than any other trade I've seen suggested for him. Like, Hardaway and some 2nds for nothing values him MORE than Hardaway for Turner (not suggesting such a deal is likely), imho, because I think the money is what these trades are all about. I literally can't remember the last time I saw a "talent for talent" trade in the NBA. I suppose last season's BRK/PHI deal kind of qualifies, but everyone basically had a gun to their heads in that situation.

Ya, I agree that it's probably harder to move him for cap space than it is in trades with money coming back but I do think that Hardway is enough of a basketball asset where you may find a scenario where someone with less money and years is being returned and in a scenario like that you could always include Josh Green to open up a spot.  Claiming that we can move Hardaway for nothing is really just the extreme version of my thought.

I think my main point is that while I agree with you that Cuban's decision around making this pick and opening up roster spots in general will be financially motivated, there's probably some interesting ways to use some of those larger contracts to create more financial relief and open up a spot or two that will be more appealing to Cuban than simply cutting Frank.

Also (and I promise I'm done derailing after this), I like Hardaway as a player, I just don't see how he gets minutes here after acquiring Dinwiddie and Brunson's emergence.  Kind of surprised that you feel differently based on some comments I saw from you in another thread about Dragic because while I think Hardaway is a clearly superior player to Dragic, I think he'll still be at the same mercy of only having 96 minutes to go around in the backcourt.

(06-13-2022, 01:49 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Feels like no one has a pulse on the order these wings are going to go.

It is WIDE open toward the end of the 1st. 

#1-5 are kind of set: Jabari, Chet, Paolo, Ivey, and Murray. The order could change a little, but probably not much.

#6-11 we seem to know who will go in that range, but the order is kind of a crapshoot: Sharpe, Mathurin, Griffin, Duren, Davis, and Daniels.

#12-18 it becomes even more open, but guys like Dieng, Sochan, Mark Williams, Eason, TyTy, Branham are likely there. 

#19 on it is really unknown IMO.

Quote:Several more international prospects have decided to stay in the draft, according to ESPN’s Jonathan Givony (Twitter links available right here). Here is that list:

Big man Khalifa Diop, is ranked No. 39 on ESPN’s Best Available list and the fourth-highest at the center spot. The 7-footer had a solid season in the ACB with Gran Canaria, winning the EuroCup’s Rising Star award.

Italian guard Matteo Spagnolo is another potential second rounder, rated No. 59 overall and No. 11 among point guards. He shot 44% for 3 this season for Cremona in the first division.

Russian wing Pavel Savkov isn’t listed among the Top 100 prospects. The 6’7” Savkov shot 40% on 3-pointers in Spain the past two seasons.

Congolese big man Yannick Nzosa is the youngest player in the draft class. He’s played for Unicaja Malaga in Spain. Ranked No. 54, Nzosa is an extremely mobile big man with an excellent motor and strong defensive versatility, according to Givony.

Croatian power forward Karlo Matkovic is also staying in the draft after a last-minute change of heart. He’s slotted at No. 60 on ESPN’s list.

https://twitter.com/all_things_mavs/stat...44417?s=21&t=uLh_-DHSVDwLd46oj7aE2Q

Full article:

https://twitter.com/jakelfischer/status/...15264?s=21&t=uLh_-DHSVDwLd46oj7aE2Q

Quote:Fischer: The Charlotte Hornets have long been considered a potential landing spot for Turner, and the Hornets have communicated around the league a willingness to move the No. 15 pick, sources said.

Yeah, it will take 26 (at least) to get into the Turner conversation. Mavericks were not mentioned among the interested teams, however. 

Quote:The Dallas Mavericks, picking No. 26, and Golden State Warriors, picking No. 28, are motivated to find deals for their late-first round selections, sources told B/R. Dallas and Golden State have expensive rosters that feature players such as Brunson, Jordan Poole and Andrew Wiggins who are due for paydays.

The Mavericks and Warriors are searching for opportunities to acquire future draft capital for those selections, sources said, in the event a coveted player on their boards doesn't fall. Another possible outcome is that they will select international draft-and-stash players.

This actually makes sense to me. If you value the draft, but DON'T want to cut someone semi-valuable and eat some guaranteed money (that you'll have to pay tax on) in the process, finding a way to turn this year's pick into a future pick is not a bad idea at all.

RE: Hornets #15 Pick

I would love to be able to get that pick to grab Eason. But CHA probably wants to see if IND will give them MT for #15. But if IND won't, I am curious what it might take for DAL to get to #15.

(06-14-2022, 09:29 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]RE: Hornets #15 Pick

I would love to be able to get that pick to grab Eason. But CHA probably wants to see if IND will give them MT for #15. But if IND won't, I am curious what it might take for DAL to get to #15.

Sounds like it would take a starting center. Dallas doesn't really have one to offer. And, the article doesn't read at all like Dallas is trying to move UP, more like they want to move OUT and defer for the future. Therefore, I'd put Dallas' chances of acquiring it pretty low.

RE: Mavs Looking to Move #26

This is disappointing, but understandable if they cannot cut costs somewhere else. If they move #26 for a future first I am fine with that. If they move #26 without a 1st in return I will be incredibly frustrated at Cuban's cheapness. I would take #26 on the roster over Boban, SB, TB, or Chriss all day and everyday.

(06-14-2022, 09:34 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds like it would take a starting center. Dallas doesn't really have one to offer. And, the article doesn't read at all like Dallas is trying to move UP, more like they want to move OUT and defer for the future. Therefore, I'd put Dallas' chances of acquiring it pretty low.

I agree...but the article highlights that the Mavs DO have "coveted players" on their board. What if Eason is one? What if he is there at #15? I assume there is a complicated decision tree on these things and don't think it will be as simple as "we want out of the draft."

(06-14-2022, 09:47 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/MattBabcock11/status...7645405190

This mock draft has Eason, Liddell, Jalen Williams, MarJon, Jovic, and LaRavia all going before #26. I would take Dalen Terry in a heartbeat there (or Kendall Brown more reluctantly). 

Unfortunately as the days go by it seems like the guys I really like at #26 are more and more getting mocked before #26.

If the Hornets are super hot on Turner and need more draft capital to get the deal done and we're trying to offload the pick, I wonder if they would be interested in PJ Washington for 26.

(06-14-2022, 10:27 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/MavsDraft/status/153...5593547777

Other CAA players include Josh Green, Hartenstein, Gary Harris, Richaun Holmes, Theo Pinson, Royce O’Neal, TJ Warren, Frank N., Terrence Ross and Brandon Knight.

Richaun Holmes, Royce ONeal, Terrance Ross, Walker Kessler and JB resigned while only losing THJ, Brown, Chriss or Burke and Powell sounds like a pretty decent offseason to me.