I have no idea what OKC does this off-season. I wonder if they zig though instead of zag. A nucleus of Shai, Giddey, and pick #2 and 12 is the beginning of a nice nucleus. Do they go extra aggressive using a boatload of future picks to get Shai a running mate to win now?
I would be surprised if they are still taking on contracts for picks, but maybe I am wrong. All the losing has been the plan but I am sure Shai wants to be on a competitive team soon. The question is who do they target if they went this route? It will probably tough to trade for a guy who is close to free agency. Players will multiple years on their deals are less likely to be traded by their teams. So NO will need to bombard them with picks…which they have. Finding the right player to do this for is tricky.
(05-31-2022, 01:53 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I accept that Powell has pluses that are useful -- but the fact that he can't be used very much in the playoffs, and especially when the Mavs were in dire need of someone to merely give them decent-value minutes, makes me willing to move on.
Yes that creates minutes to be filled for 82 games when Powell was playable, but if you are getting both Favors and Williams, I think you'll be fine, and I can't see how that combo would be LESS useful in the playoffs than DP has been. (Plus, having minutes to fill isn't a bad thing, as you need playing time for those additions.)
Speaking of minutes, if you move THJ, you free up minutes for a 3rd wing, which opens space for someone to want to come play for the $6.2M MLE. If you don't have rotation minutes, good veteran players won't ring chase here. If you do, they might.
About your comparison of what you can get (in theory) for Powell-THJ (if OKC wanted both), it needs one significant addition
a) Gobert, or
b) Favors, Williams, and about $30M-$40M of payroll each year (plus two TPEs, $21M and $11M)
I am okay if Gobert was available for that price and they opted to go that route, I think, but I believe there should be more efficient uses of $40M+ of payroll each year.
Just as an example, I'd much rather spend 40M on the DFS-Bullock-Maxi trio over Gobert, and they cost about the same. I get that this would be adding Gobert to that trio, but I'm saying I think another trio like that would prove to be more useful than Gobert. In practical terms, when my center gets played off the floor in the playoffs by small ball, I want it to be Favors-Williams making $15M combined, where I also have a big wing getting $15M (or 6.2M) to insert instead at that point, rather than Gobert and all of my 40M idled. Plus, smaller salary pieces are easier to move if you need to swap out someone to fill a hole, or change the mix somehow.
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tantalizing prospect in Kendall Brown. Started the year inside top 10 after bing a top recruit. Now he is out of some first round in some mocks. I would guess he winds up going near our pick when it is done.
Some similarities to Josh Geeen. I originally thought he was a taller better, finishing Green when I saw him earlier in the year. He came in smaller than I expected with height though and is closer to Green. Shooting needs a lot of work and Green was the better shooter entering the pros. Feels like he may be able to guard bigger wings.
I am having trouble with both Brown and jaden hardy, another former top prospect. I believe I would be fine with picking Brown at 26. Haven’t finalized my thoughts on Hardy yet.
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(05-31-2022, 12:48 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: ryan-reynolds-but-why.gif]](https://c.tenor.com/jGgmfDOxmuMAAAAC/ryan-reynolds-but-why.gif)
A good question. Worst highlight video I have seen so far. His tankathon page also looks a peach.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/trevor-keels
Everything is a negative....
except for his age,
and AST/TO, but he doesn´t pass much
and TO, but he doesn´t handle the ball much
and fouls drawn, but he shoots 67% from the line.
So basically his strengths are: he´s very young.
That sucks on Terquavion, I was hoping someone ahead of the Mavs would be suckered into taking him and helping a good player fall.
(05-31-2022, 07:30 AM)HAguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]How many future picks are we sending here? This is a straight up robbery. Swap THJ with Brunson (S&T) and I still think they say no.
I know it seems like robbery at face value, but the thing is OKC has the most amount of picks any team has ever had in NBA history. They have 4 in this draft alone, and another 12 in the next 2 years. They have another 20(!!) picks the next 4 years after that.
They quite literally can field 3 NBA rosters from their picks alone and they only have 15 spots available. History also tells us that a team lead by 20-somethings usually isn't very good at all (usually because a team that young is normally tanking anyways so its a self fulfilling prophecy).
Because of all of that, I figured they'd want to consolidate picks and they would value getting a vet shooter that fills a role next to SGA and getting off of some money.
For any other team a lottery pick is high value and 12 shouldn't be had for something that light, but OKC isn't any other team and they are looking at least another 15 top 10 picks in the next 5 years alone.
(05-31-2022, 05:18 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I know it seems like robbery at face value, but the thing is OKC has the most amount of picks any team has ever had in NBA history. They have 4 in this draft alone, and another 12 in the next 2 years. They have another 20(!!) picks the next 4 years after that.
They quite literally can field 3 NBA rosters from their picks alone and they only have 15 spots available. History also tells us that a team lead by 20-somethings usually isn't very good at all (usually because a team that young is normally tanking anyways so its a self fulfilling prophecy).
Because of all of that, I figured they'd want to consolidate picks and they would value getting a vet shooter that fills a role next to SGA and getting off of some money.
For any other team a lottery pick is high value and 12 shouldn't be had for something that light, but OKC isn't any other team and they are looking at least another 15 top 10 picks in the next 5 years alone.
Sure, but the trade suggested assumes they don’t value the picks they would be giving away. Recently GM’s have been putting tighter screws on their assets, not looser.
(05-31-2022, 05:55 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Sure, but the trade suggested assumes they don’t value the picks they would be giving away. Recently GM’s have been putting tighter screws on their assets, not looser.
Let's say that OKC wants Anunoby, rumored to be available. What would it cost them in addition to pick 12? Values of picks and values of talent are incredibly nebulous to define, but simply buying AVAILABLE veteran talent with a pick (or picks) isn't a slam dunk, because teams are not very willing to let go of what they have.
I agree with SH that "THJ + 26" has the potential to move the Mavs to a much higher pick, where a team decides that THJ is about as much talent as they might get with pick ___ and is more of a sure thing. Whether that number is pick 12, or pick 14 or 16 or whatever, is really subjective and probably varies greatly depending on the teams' situations.
(05-31-2022, 01:19 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]A good question. Worst highlight video I have seen so far. His tankathon page also looks a peach.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/trevor-keels
Everything is a negative....
except for his age,
and AST/TO, but he doesn´t pass much
and TO, but he doesn´t handle the ball much
and fouls drawn, but he shoots 67% from the line.
So basically his strengths are: he´s very young.
Thanks, MBT...
Tankathon over here pissing down our backs with Satire pieces on our drafting.
(05-31-2022, 05:18 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I know it seems like robbery at face value, but the thing is OKC has the most amount of picks any team has ever had in NBA history. They have 4 in this draft alone, and another 12 in the next 2 years. They have another 20(!!) picks the next 4 years after that.
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They quite literally can field 3 NBA rosters from their picks alone and they only have 15 spots available. History also tells us that a team lead by 20-somethings usually isn't very good at all (usually because a team that young is normally tanking anyways so its a self fulfilling prophecy).
Because of all of that, I figured they'd want to consolidate picks and they would value getting a vet shooter that fills a role next to SGA and getting off of some money.
For any other team a lottery pick is high value and 12 shouldn't be had for something that light, but OKC isn't any other team and they are looking at least another 15 top 10 picks in the next 5 years alone.
In addition to trading up, if I had those assets, I'd start using some as lottery tickets. Take asset poor teams that are close to contention (sound familiar?) and swap some of your current less favorable picks for that teams distant future picks with light protections. Hope that by the time those picks become available, that roster has aged out and has left you with favorable picks that you can use to bolster whoever you are drafting these next few years.
In looking it over, Ind might be the only team willing to thin out the amount of picks OKC has by moving down from 6 to 12. OKC going home with the #2 & 6 from this draft while losing a couple future picks sounds like a solid plan to me. Certainly better than getting THJ and a pick around the same place that they already have one in the #30 (which they’re probably looking to either sell or trade out of the first round).
(05-31-2022, 10:36 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]In looking it over, Ind might be the only team willing to thin out the amount of picks OKC has by moving down from 6 to 12. OKC going home with the #2 & 6 from this draft while losing a couple future picks sounds like a solid plan to me. Certainly better than getting THJ and a pick around the same place that they already have one in the #30 (which they’re probably looking to either sell or trade out of the first round).
It would be far more likely that OKC trades #30 and #34 (or whatever their second rounder is) for our #26, if we would be interested. They have little use of a long term contract like THJ in their process. This year they start turning it around with their current roster and high picks. Next year they will have huge cap space and they surely don't want to kill that flexibility.
They are certainly not giving away picks because they have too many.