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(06-03-2022, 06:30 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Minott can't shoot, that's why. He does have 75% on FT so that is promising. Also he is thin and kind of a tweener. I like him as a modern center though. Incredibly athletic and absolutely can guard 1-5. But his wingspan is only 6'11" and he is weak, so he would probably get bullied a lot as a center. And if he cannot shoot how can you get by playing him anywhere else?

He has multi tools. We saw how our 3 pt guys without great handles were neutralized by GS. We see how teams gang up on Luka. If Minnot’s form is good then not being a great outside shooter at this point is not required. A lot of players develop into a 3D role. If he can guard, dribble, and defend, they should look into him. 

The only concern I would have is someone who doesn’t even want to shoot. Dray does that   Wiggins too though he was good against us.  Josh Green could be a decent player if he had any desire/confidence to score.  If Minott is aggressive I can live with him developing a stand still 3 pt shot as he goes along.

I did a little research of a players who can probably be avaiable at 26 pick. I didn't include players like Branham & Agbaji because they will probably be out of our range, but here is my wishlist:

1. JADEN HARDY:

One of the players who really fall of the boards, but in my opinion this is more because people expected he is number 1 player for a nba team. Do not forget, we have Luka as the number 1, then Brunson and others... So Hardy in my opinion could be similar to what Poole is for GSW. 

That scoring and playmaking ability at the 26 pick? Also, after that season in G-league i can see him one of the players who can contribute from day 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr6DgPbboSM

2. JALEN WILLIAMS:

It will be hard for him to be available at the 26 pick, but 3 level scoring threat, with playmaking ability?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmv47jiD-GM

3. BRYCE MCGOWENS:

Fantastic size, and fantastic scoring ability. Can see some similarities to Zach Lavine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DsNjj1MjV4

4. NIKOLA JOVIC

I think he is much more of a project then people expect. He have potential, but defense and his weight can be a little bit concerning, specially for the year 1. Still if players above are all gone, he is still good choice at the 26.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oeitn63r57g

5. EJ LIDDEL

A little bit spectical who can he translates to the nba, but we will see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqh3-cqX1jk

6. PATRICK BALDWIN

I would take him only if all players above are gone until the 26 pick. Another one who really fall. Have size, have a shoot, so your mainly but last year he isn't falling. He did some big mistakes with his school, but we will see if he learned something about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqZUI1_dqCI

Also i would stay away from players like Moore and Keels, Kessler...

2. ROUND PROSPECTS - UNDRAFTED PLAYERS:

The reason i'm not taking a center in the 1 round is also that there is currently not big gap between centers who will probably go in the 1 round (Kamagate, Koloko) and the players who can probably go undrafted. Also, i hope we are not doing the same mistake again, like 2020, when we take Green because we need 3&D player.

1. Khalifa Diop

I don't see big difference between him and Kamagate for example. Both of them are raw and longterm project. Also Diop played at the higher level of competition than Kamagate (Spanish league much better then French) and was also the selected Eurocup Rising star.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2R_2Cy1RMw

2. Yannick Nzosa

Another guy, who fall from top 10 pick to the undrafted player. He had dissapointing season (whole Unicaja had), but he really have some unique skillset. He is probably even more longterm project than Diop and Kamagate, but as an undrafted player i think it's worht a gamble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaErYb11a-o

3. Michael Foster

Have defensive concerns, but offensive potential can be worth taking as an undrafted player. Sure, i have Diop and Nzosa higher, but he is another one who can be interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxuvUlmz7TM

(06-04-2022, 04:42 AM)MAVS-SLO Wrote: [ -> ]I did a little research of a players who can probably be avaiable at 26 pick. I didn't include players like Branham & Agbaji because they will probably be out of our range, but here is my wishlist:

1. JADEN HARDY:

One of the players who really fall of the boards, but in my opinion this is more because people expected he is number 1 player for a nba team. Do not forget, we have Luka as the number 1, then Brunson and others... So Hardy in my opinion could be similar to what Poole is for GSW. 

That scoring and playmaking ability at the 26 pick? Also, after that season in G-league i can see him one of the players who can contribute from day 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr6DgPbboSM

2. JALEN WILLIAMS:

It will be hard for him to be available at the 26 pick, but 3 level scoring threat, with playmaking ability?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmv47jiD-GM

3. BRYCE MCGOWENS:

Fantastic size, and fantastic scoring ability. Can see some similarities to Zach Lavine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DsNjj1MjV4

4. NIKOLA JOVIC

I think he is much more of a project then people expect. He have potential, but defense and his weight can be a little bit concerning, specially for the year 1. Still if players above are all gone, he is still good choice at the 26.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oeitn63r57g

5. EJ LIDDEL

A little bit spectical who can he translates to the nba, but we will see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqh3-cqX1jk

6. PATRICK BALDWIN

I would take him only if all players above are gone until the 26 pick. Another one who really fall. Have size, have a shoot, so your mainly but last year he isn't falling. He did some big mistakes with his school, but we will see if he learned something about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqZUI1_dqCI

Also i would stay away from players like Moore and Keels, Kessler...

2. ROUND PROSPECTS - UNDRAFTED PLAYERS:

The reason i'm not taking a center in the 1 round is also that there is currently not big gap between centers who will probably go in the 1 round (Kamagate, Koloko) and the players who can probably go undrafted. Also, i hope we are not doing the same mistake again, like 2020, when we take Green because we need 3&D player.

1. Khalifa Diop

I don't see big difference between him and Kamagate for example. Both of them are raw and longterm project. Also Diop played at the higher level of competition than Kamagate (Spanish league much better then French) and was also the selected Eurocup Rising star.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2R_2Cy1RMw

2. Yannick Nzosa

Another guy, who fall from top 10 pick to the undrafted player. He had dissapointing season (whole Unicaja had), but he really have some unique skillset. He is probably even more longterm project than Diop and Kamagate, but as an undrafted player i think it's worht a gamble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaErYb11a-o

3. Michael Foster

Have defensive concerns, but offensive potential can be worth taking as an undrafted player. Sure, i have Diop and Nzosa higher, but he is another one who can be interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxuvUlmz7TM

Thanks for putting this together.   I agree with a lot of the first grouping.

It would be interesting to know what Dallas thinks of their two way guys.   Do they have an interest in bringing back Moses Wright?   Do they want to bring back a healthy Eugene for a two way spot?  Both guys are a little older, but they are in the 6'7-6'10 grouping who I think fit well into two-way slots of bigger guys who may be able to develop on the perimeter.  

I am intrigued with 6-7 big guys that are second rounders or undrafted.  I like some better than others and some I have concerns if they can play in todays NBA.  If Dallas had an open two way spot, I would have interest in buying a second round pick potentially.

This is a consensus mock draft combining a ton of mock drafts around the internet. It was updated June 2.

(06-04-2022, 05:19 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]This is a consensus mock draft combining a ton of mock drafts around the internet. It was updated June 2.

If that´s close to how it´s playing out, I´d try to trade down with Orlando #32 + #35 and pick Moore and Koloko. Not that interested in anyone from #22 to #31.

(06-04-2022, 06:04 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Not that interested in anyone from #22 to #31.

Give me Jake LaRavia, Kendall Brown, or Jalen Williams.

High likelihood this pick gets traded and it's a low pick so I haven't paid as close attention to this draft as I have in previous years, not too likely we find a guy who puts us over the top here. My quick look first impression is if we're drafting for need it looks like hoping Kessler is still on the board would probably be the best fit. Full sized big who we won't need to wait to fill out, blocks almost 5 shots a game without getting into foul trouble.

Holding out some hope that Ochai Agbaji could fall to 26 because of his age.

Hey Everyone, new here, hopefully this board is friendly. How do yall feel about Max Christie? So far he is my favorite. Really good shooter and can defend. I like Baldwin jr as well but he a huge unknown. And I cant believe he only shot 26% from 3.

I don't want the Mavs to lose a pick, if the Mavs needed to trade the pick, ask for a pick swap if possible. Although late firsts and seconds are likely long shots, you'll never know if you'd get a Josh Howard in the late first or a Brunson in the second round.

IMHO, in this draft, more than any other in seasons' past, a player can go from pick 20ish from one board to a late second round, or a player projected to be at the early second round and then undrafted in another board.

It's just too pretty jerky.  Because of this, a trade down at this draft wouldn't be so bad.

Having said that, I'd trade up for Dyson Daniels if the Mavs feel there's an increasing possibility JB isn't back. I would love Eason or mark Williams, but I'm okay staying put and not exerting too much effort to trade up for either.

My somewhat realistic picks at 26:

1. Ousmane Dieng - IMHo, there are lots of projects with high potential in the draft, but this kid, although he still is a bit of a project -- is more advance than most. 6''9" ball handler/secondary playmaker next to Luka? YES please.
2. Walker Kessler - If anything, he'll help in the regular season, he should provide the Mavs with a different look. He'd be Gobert-lite.
3. Nikola Jovic - probably won't make it to 26, but if he is there you take him and think about his defense later. 
4. Jaylin Williams - Maybe a stretch to get him at 26. But he is a definite big guy, more switchable than others, provides a unique way of playing defense but can very well fit the Mavs style of play.


Trade Down to the early second round:

1. EJ Liddell - Really just undersized. Will have to bring his A game every night to compensate and that's going to limit his career.
2. Ismael Kamagate - Unicorn defensively, this guy can probably guard in space more than most bigs, probably won't develop an offensive game though, but as a second round pick? That's okay, unless the guy after him turns out to be another Brunson.
3. Jake LaRavia - The Maxi of small forwards (I hope)
4. Christian Koloko - Not going to excite me, but I can see he can help, most likely better than DP could

Trade Down to mid-to late second round:
John Butler
Leonard Miller


Possible undrafted pickups:
Jordan Hall
Yannick Nzosa
Alondes Williams
Keon Ellis
Kai Sotto
Gabriele Procida

(06-05-2022, 12:20 AM)Dtwnlove2 Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Everyone, new here, hopefully this board is friendly. How do yall feel about Max Christie? So far he is my favorite. Really good shooter and can defend. I like Baldwin jr as well but he a huge unknown. And I cant believe he only shot 26% from 3.

He looks like a scoring candidate who will get minutes somewhere, but most mock drafts have him in the second round - probably because of his weight and youth. Still, it reads like a pretty promising NBA profile if you're in the second round.

(06-04-2022, 08:04 PM)MrGoat Wrote: [ -> ]High likelihood this pick gets traded and it's a low pick so I haven't paid as close attention to this draft as I have in previous years, not too likely we find a guy who puts us over the top here. My quick look first impression is if we're drafting for need it looks like hoping Kessler is still on the board would probably be the best fit. Full sized big who we won't need to wait to fill out, blocks almost 5 shots a game without getting into foul trouble.

My thinking is I will have other players above the two centers in our range: Kessler and Koloko.

The counterpoint to this though is Niko said after the series they were beaten because they need to protect the rim and defend better.  Outside of a trade, most of the centers available may not do both.  Kessler and Koloko did this at a high level in college.

In addition, if you could find a guy who can do this on a rookie deal, even if it a 20-25 minute support role this could be a smart way to utilize a low cost asset.  Outside of an elite center, that may be the best long term decision.  It would then leave Dallas the opportunity to use their bulk of their future assets on a big wing to finish out the roster.  

I think I will still prefer a different direction but something to consider.  Btw espn has Koloko, jaylin Williams and the two foreign centers at the same range in the 40s.
 Buy a pick for a 2 way?

(06-03-2022, 02:22 PM)hakeemfan Wrote: [ -> ]Why is this guy not ranked higher?  Seems to be the type of guy SA will draft. Lanky , fairly athletic, but seems to have a feel for the game:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nsPQ_MTcMVA

This guy gives me serious Jeremy Evans vibes. Long lankey 3/4 that doesn't have any discernible skills outside of showtime dunks. I haven't watched any full games of him but just from his highlights I think he'll end up similar. 

Evans went 55th and was a bench guy for a lot longer than most.

(06-05-2022, 12:20 AM)Dtwnlove2 Wrote: [ -> ]ey Everyone, new here, hopefully this board is friendly. How do yall feel about Max Christie? So far he is my favorite. Really good shooter and can defend. I like Baldwin jr as well but he a huge unknown. And I cant believe he only shot 26% from 3.

Not a fan of Max Christie or Baldwin Jr. 

Max is a GREAT defender and love that. But he lacks athleticism, burst, and strength, so I wonder how it will translate. I also thought his shooting was really, really disappointing this year. His release is too slow IMO and he was bad across the board (including an inability to finish at the rim). 

Baldwin is just a terrible, terrible athlete and I think that will keep him from being able to make it in the NBA. 

My two cents.

If DAL addresses the center position using #26, which candidate is preferred? Koloko? Kessler? Kamagate? I'm not informed as to the comparisons, but they all show up around the same ranking in the center lists.

I'm just wondering if they will take someone who provides immediate depth to ease the burden on Maxi and Powell and who would be the best immediate fit that could develop into a starter.

(06-06-2022, 10:23 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]If DAL addresses the center position using #26, which candidate is preferred? Koloko? Kessler? Kamagate? I'm not informed as to the comparisons, but they all show up around the same ranking in the center lists.

I'm just wondering if they will take someone who provides immediate depth to ease the burden on Maxi and Powell and who would be the best immediate fit that could develop into a starter.

Who is the best shooter of the bunch?

Im not a scout...but what does tape say EJ Liddell can do against taller players hes defending?

I mention Liddell because out of the centers in the list provided in this thread from page 14 or 15...Liddell seems like the only one who can shoot.

He's 6'5, though.  But a hungry shot blocker.   Is he even good on defense? I like his 3ball ability and shot blocking...but is he limited to those two things?

Take this with a grain of salt, but still depressing.   Even if the Mavs do not want this out, I really hope we start seeing an influx of workouts.    Although the previous front office really lacking on who they brought in.  

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-draft-wo...cts-going/

(06-06-2022, 10:23 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]If DAL addresses the center position using #26, which candidate is preferred?

My opinions....

1) The dream is Tari Eason somehow slipping to #26 (or the Mavs being able to trade up for him). He can shoot. He can defend. He is the prototype of the center position in the modern NBA IMO. 

2) EJ Liddell is someone I would look long and hard at as a small ball center. Like Tari he is 100% switchable across the board. He is strong, but lacks ideal height and length. He can shoot. He can protect the rim. 

3) Of the more "traditional" centers, I like Koloko the best. I think he has the best shot to develop the footwork to defend on the perimeter and the best shot of developing a three point shot. 

4) Josh Minott is the final guy I like as a possible center. He is thin, but can defend 1-5. He seems like a really raw project, but I can see a world where he develops a three point shot.

(06-06-2022, 10:40 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Take this with a grain of salt, but still depressing.   Even if the Mavs do not want this out, I really hope we start seeing an influx of workouts.    Although the previous front office really lacking on who they brought in.

I think that was updated May 17...almost three weeks ago.

(06-06-2022, 10:35 AM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: [ -> ]Im not a scout...but what does tape say EJ Liddell can do against taller players hes defending?

I mention Liddell because out of the centers in the list provided in this thread from page 14 or 15...Liddell seems like the only one who can shoot.

He's 6'5, though.  But a hungry shot blocker.   Is he even good on defense? I like his 3ball ability and shot blocking...but is he limited to those two things?

Liddell uses his strength really well on D. It allows him to get away with being undersized. He is an EXCELLENT defender and can switch 1-5. I genuinely like him as a small ball center, though he can easily be a wing as well IMO.