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(06-12-2022, 01:20 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Of course. But that wasn´t the question.

The question didn’t allow for all the options at our disposal.

(06-12-2022, 01:22 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]This should be the guide to the chopping block. No way should you chop those who contribute more than others.

Agreed, but do you honestly believe the money involved won't factor into the decision?

(06-12-2022, 01:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed, but do you honestly believe the money involved won't factor into the decision?

Of course money will be a factor. This is where Nico's job comes in. Make sure you do wise things money-wise while not needlessly cutting contributors while also adding new talent. It's his job.

(06-12-2022, 01:22 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, pay what though? If you mean a small amount of cash, maybe. But, for future 2nds? I think that is making the problem worse. 

Cash

(06-12-2022, 01:25 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Of course money will be a factor. This is where Nico's job comes in. Make sure you do wise things money-wise while not needlessly cutting contributors while also adding new talent. It's his job.

Agreed again. 

I just don't think it will be as easy as you seem to think it will be to reach your desired, idealized version of future events. 

I also doubt they're even remotely worried about missing out on some great opportunity at #26 (though I'm sure there are some players they might like to have there). I bet they're much more focused on how to get people to help them in next year's playoffs, and I bet they'll be more than willing to use the pick to that end, if possible. 

I don't disagree with the frustration built up over years of misusing picks. Normally, I'm right there with you all. I just feel like swinging the pendulum all the way to the opposite mentality is just as wrong, only in the opposite direction. 

Maybe they have a sweet 4 for 2 trade in their sights right now that won't require use of the pick. If so, hell yeah - draft a kid! Make it a good pick, I hope! But, I hope they're evaluating the decision tree based on what's best for the on court product THIS COMING SEASON, personally. 

I don't want to lose Ntilikina. At least not for a kid who won't play next season. I know you don't think that will happen, and I hope you're right.

Sorry to hijack this thread, btw. I've enjoyed the conversation very much, but in hindsight it was probably more appropriate for the roster thread, or some other place. I know there are some whose favorite activity here is to analyze and compare potential available draftees, and it wasn't my intention to stifle that.

I was listening to a few weeks old Game Theory podcast and the guest said he counted 46 or 47 guys who were listed as a first round pick in at least one reputable mock draft site.    There are going to be a lot of disappointed guys who believe they are first rounders in a few weeks.

(06-12-2022, 01:50 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I was listening to a few weeks old Game Theory podcast and the guest said he counted 46 or 47 guys who were listed as a first round pick in at least one reputable mock draft site.    There are going to be a lot of disappointed guys who believe they are first rounders in a few weeks.

Yep. The talent is there in this draft. Lots of "first round talent" available IMO.

(06-12-2022, 01:50 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I was listening to a few weeks old Game Theory podcast and the guest said he counted 46 or 47 guys who were listed as a first round pick in at least one reputable mock draft site.    There are going to be a lot of disappointed guys who believe they are first rounders in a few weeks.

Yeah, this reminds me of that Youtube doc (or maybe it was a show on MTV or something that I caught on YouTube) a few years back about a player (believe it was RJ Hampton, but might be remembering wrong) who was training before the draft with Mike Miller. He had an actual NBA player telling him he was a top-10 pick and ended up going like 17th, I think. Then, he was all disappointed the night of the draft. 

Expectations color our feelings so much in life.

(06-12-2022, 01:22 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Also, have the Mavs demonstrated that they are excited to do things like this in the past? Do we really think they value this hypothetical #26 player enough to jump through these hoops, or are they more likely to stick with the evaluations that led them to acquire the guys they currently have in the first place?

I wouldn't try to predict it based on what they did in the past. Different front office now and this is the first time they've had draft picks, we didn't have a pick last season so we don't know how Nico will handle this situation.

(06-12-2022, 02:48 PM)MrGoat Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't try to predict it based on what they did in the past. Different front office now and this is the first time they've had draft picks, we didn't have a pick last season so we don't know how Nico will handle this situation.

I’m mostly with you on this thought, but there are some out there that aren’t convinced that Cuban is any more hands off than he has been. If that’s the case, it doesn’t exactly bode well for this thought. Although there is room for the thought that Cuban’s mind can be much more easily changed (or his theory put to the test) with new faces in the office.

(06-12-2022, 02:53 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I’m mostly with you on this thought, but there are some out there that aren’t convinced that Cuban is any more hands off than he has been. If that’s the case, it doesn’t exactly bode well for this thought. Although there is room for the thought that Cuban’s mind can be much more easily changed (or his theory put to the test) with new faces in the office.

I'm not discounting that possibility, but I'm taking a wait and see approach. We'll have a better idea 11 days from now

There really aren’t a lot hoops to jump through to make room on the roster for this single pick. This is a weird stance to take. Luka is 23 and starts his new contract NEXT season, it is okay to think about a contributor 2-3 years from now.

(06-12-2022, 03:04 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]There really aren’t a lot hoops to jump through to make room on the roster for this single pick. This is a weird stance to take. Luka is 23 and starts his new contract NEXT season, it is okay to think about a contributor 2-3 years from now.

oh, I’ve been preaching the “Luka I still young approach” for 4 straight years now. No argument there. 

don’t think the conversation is about whether or not it’s appropriate to add a rookie, I think it’s about whether it’s worth cutting a better player than that rookie in order to create his roster spot. And, to double up on tax for the privilege. 

we’ll see!

(06-12-2022, 04:24 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]oh, I’ve been preaching the “Luka I still young approach” for 4 straight years now. No argument there. 

don’t think the conversation is about whether or not it’s appropriate to add a rookie, I think it’s about whether it’s worth cutting a better player than that rookie in order to create his roster spot. And, to double up on tax for the privilege. 

we’ll see!

Think big picture. One year tax won´t hurt as much as a potential repeater tax next year. This year they cannot avoid the tax if they want to stay competitive. But If they actually nail the draft pick and develop another big or big wing they can replace Kleber/Powell for cheap.

(06-12-2022, 04:56 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Think big picture. One year tax won´t hurt as much as a potential repeater tax next year. This year they cannot avoid the tax if they want to stay competitive. But If they actually nail the draft pick and develop another big or big wing they can replace Kleber/Powell for cheap.

I like the logic. We'll see. 

At this point, I feel like I'm just ruining people's draft thread experience, which is not my goal. 

Probably best if I just offer up a "sig bet" invite open to one and all and just back out of the debate.

Ok so Kendall Brown is a "wild card." Young, raw, crazy athlete with good size/length. Guys like this every year; sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

I get the Josh Green "worry" but the Mavs should not shy away from these type of prospects under Coach Kidd. Rick Carlisle? Yes, run away as fast as you can. Speaking of Green, you cannot count him out yet. 

Just my 2 cents, but I think the Mavs would be lucky to have a prospect of this caliber available at #26. Not saying he's my top choice but he deserves to be in the conversation. I like his upside more than other guys like Laravia, Terry, or Moore. But I get it, it's a big leap. 

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ALSO - Please, Nico. DO NOT DRAFT A BIG AT #26! MAYBE a Koloko or Kamagate in a trade back situation for ORL/OKC 2 picks. Not sold on Kessler; cannot defend in space (dealbreaker). Very block happy - I see a lot of Whiteside in his game, who's obsolete.

(06-12-2022, 06:27 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok so Kendall Brown is a "wild card." Young, raw, crazy athlete with good size/length. Guys like this every year; sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

I get the Josh Green "worry" but the Mavs should not shy away from these type of prospects under Coach Kidd. Rick Carlisle? Yes, run away as fast as you can. Speaking of Green, you cannot count him out yet. 

Just my 2 cents, but I think the Mavs would be lucky to have a prospect of this caliber available at #26. Not saying he's my top choice but he deserves to be in the conversation. I like his upside more than other guys like Laravia, Terry, or Moore. But I get it, it's a big leap. 

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ALSO - Please, Nico. DO NOT DRAFT A BIG AT #26! MAYBE a Koloko or Kamagate in a trade back situation for ORL/OKC 2 picks. Not sold on Kessler; cannot defend in space (dealbreaker). Very block happy - I see a lot of Whiteside in his game, who's obsolete.

Yes, 2022; the Nico Audition!

(06-12-2022, 01:10 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I just don't think Cuban wants to do that, and in fact, I feel like he'll go to great lengths to avoid it. I can see him trying to trade a package that clears some spots if they want (Brunson +MLE and #26), but I just have a super hard time envisioning them lighting the money on fire. He has not shown that he values late first round picks enough to go that route, imho. 

Thing is for Cuban it's not even lighting money on fire, it's a tax deduction. 

Billionaires in general made a lot of money since the pandemic buying up distressed assets and small businesses. Sports teams have shot up in value so much in recent years because they're a great tax dodging haven. Whatever "losses" Cuban can claim he can use as a tax deduction to offset any asset income he wants to claim, that includes player contracts.

Wouldn't be the first time he's done it. We ate Tyrell Terry's contract last year, he's owed $1.7M in the 2022-23 season. It's the cap implications he might actually care about which wouldn't matter at all with an expiring player. Brown or Burke are very expendable if there's a pick they like enough to do so

(06-12-2022, 08:04 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]was watching McGowans last night.   Has some Dinwiddie and Jordan Poole in his game.   Nice build and a creative finisher and also gets to the line.   The Ringer's comparison is a less athletic Zach Levine.  That is pretty funny.

He clearly has a gift for one on one basketball and foul drawing....but dang is he selfish and have tunnel vision. The dude also is a flat out atrocious and lazy defender.