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Current consensus mock:



The Mavs would have the choice of Jake LaRavia, Dalen Terry, and Christian Koloko in this scenario. LaRavia and Terry are quickly becoming my two favorite guys who have a realistic shot of being there at #26. I really only like Eason and Liddell better than them once you get post-lottery.

(06-08-2022, 09:47 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs draft put out a community mock today.  Had Dallas drafting Agbagi who slides a little.  laravia and Beauchamp went after Dallas pick.

Some of the guys in the second fell way too far but the second round tends to get a little wacky.  But don’t think Kessler and Braun fall nearly that fall.

LOL Kessler at 56??? Um no. How does that even happen, with most of 2nd round passing him by?

That's one problem with these multi-picker mock drafts --- if someone gets overlooked above their slot, they might opt to stay on the guy they like already (so they might hit the actual guy for draft time) rather than grab the overlooked one (which, in a real draft, gets scooped up before falling too far.)

Though it would not surprise me to have Dalen Terry go in the late teens. If you watch his film (not just highlights) it is really hard not to come away loving him.

(06-08-2022, 09:47 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Current consensus mock:



The Mavs would have the choice of Jake LaRavia, Dalen Terry, and Christian Koloko in this scenario. LaRavia and Terry are quickly becoming my two favorite guys who have a realistic shot of being there at #26. I really only like Eason and Liddell better than them once you get post-lottery.

This one has Mavs getting a small PG. Does anyone else think "no chance at all" on that sort of player being picked by DAL, like I do?

(06-08-2022, 09:59 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]This one has Mavs getting a small PG. Does anyone else think "no chance at all" on that sort of player being picked by DAL, like I do?

100% with you. ESPN's latest mock had DAL taking Keels because "Brunson is an unrestricted free agent." 

Based on what Kidd and Nico have shown me so far I do not see any "small guards" in our future.

I was reminded of how skewed our view can be, when we try to evaluate draft options. I went to look at some extended video of J Terry (showing every time he took a shot in a game), and then began to observe Koloko.

It's probably a more objective view of Koloko. Who looked like a big nothing, really - he can run smoothly, board a little, and would probably have good height and wingspan results, but not much hoops expertise on display in the game action I saw. If that's typical play for him, his landing in the late 30s in expectations makes a lot of sense.

(06-08-2022, 10:18 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I was reminded of how skewed our view can be, when we try to evaluate draft options. I went to look at some extended video of J Terry (showing every time he took a shot in a game), and then began to observe Koloko.

It's probably a more objective view of Koloko. Who looked like a big nothing, really - he can run smoothly, board a little, and would probably have good height and wingspan results, but not much hoops expertise on display in the game action I saw. If that's typical play for him, his landing in the late 30s in expectations makes a lot of sense.

This is why this site is my go-to for draft eval:

https://www.youtube.com/c/HardwoodHoopsC...oom/videos

There you get film of every shot (miss or make), turnover, assist, rebound, and defensive possession. Highlights are helpful to initially turn you on to someone, but nothing beats watching all the good and bad.

Like most of the guys, the difficulty is not what these guys are now, but what they will eventually become.

https://youtu.be/Z4wp6iXcnSQ

(06-08-2022, 10:23 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]This is why this site is my go-to for draft eval:

https://www.youtube.com/c/HardwoodHoopsC...oom/videos

There you get film of every shot (miss or make), turnover, assist, rebound, and defensive possession. Highlights are helpful to initially turn you on to someone, but nothing beats watching all the good and bad.

Yeah, more is better ... but not seeing any defense vids in there at all, just clips of each possession in which they get a shot, make or miss.

(06-08-2022, 10:30 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, more is better ... but not seeing any defense vids in there at all, just clips of each possession in which they get a shot, make or miss.

Shots are always at the beginning. Defense is usually like the last half hour or so.

(06-08-2022, 09:38 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]My concerns on Kessler are shooting.  His form looks really weird  and I am not sure if he will ever be a threat with his shot.  I saw some Video of Koloko and his shot mechanics looked good for me and would Like to see more of him shooting.  I don’t think Kessler has it in him, I dont think.

Second I thought he rebounded better.  He had some games during the season where he had monster rebound games but only averaged 8 per game.  I would like to get a better understanding there.

His last game of the season was really bad.  He had difficulty guarding all the quick Miami players.  You can mark it up to a bad game and that happens.  It is just a poor last view of him after a great year.

His shot blocking form is awesome though.  He may have difficulty guarding guards kn switches but he is definitely someone the mavs have better be watching last year and studying over the last few months.

He looks smooth for such a big guy and he is going at it, especially against smaller players. (just the highlights but plenty of them.) The shotblocking is great and will translate, just to good timing and length.

Don´t think he will be there at #26.

(06-08-2022, 10:04 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]100% with you. ESPN's latest mock had DAL taking Keels because "Brunson is an unrestricted free agent." 

Based on what Kidd and Nico have shown me so far I do not see any "small guards" in our future.

Can never have enough fat guards

(06-08-2022, 09:35 AM)Winter Wrote: [ -> ]I am not convinced Kessler is a great fit. He's everything we need for rim protection, but I don't see him being able to guard the perimeter. This is not a guy who gets even 20 minutes per game in my opinion. Not in today's NBA. Guys like Tari Eason are probably the future of the center position now. Kessler may be too limited.

Given the talent and quality of good wings in this draft, I would trade for a center and draft a wing.

We need the rim protection more than the perimeter switchability. Kidd runs Vogel's system and that system is predicated on having a serious rim protector anchor the paint. You can get away with 4 on 5 on the perimeter because the defense has the interior angles as long as you don't have to worry about the drive too. And it's not like the guy is Boban level unathletic, he can actually run the floor pretty well

The guy blocked 155 shots this season, that's the highest number by any player in college since Anthony Davis in 2012, and he's very good at staying out of foul trouble for as many shots as he blocks. If we're not able or willing to trade for Gobert's contract this would be the next best option. Though he very well might not even be available by #26 making that point moot. Toronto doesn't have their pick though which helps.

(06-08-2022, 12:35 PM)MrGoat Wrote: [ -> ]We need the rim protection more than the perimeter switchability.

You need both now if you're going to play extended minutes in this league. That's what teams are looking for.

And you can get that. But I don't see any center in the Mavs range that suggests that kind of player in the draft. Gobert is somewhat mobile and so remarkable in his rim protection that he can stay on the floor against some smaller teams... but only barely. I certainly don't see that type of center where the Mavs are drafting. Maybe Kokolo can learn the skill needed, but I don't think Kessler is ready to guard NBA wings.

The point is I think you know the personnel better when your center has been playing in the NBA than when he's coming out of college. The big 7' centers in college are frequently one-dimensional. Ten years ago, Kessler would have been a lottery pick. Now guys like Eason of LSU are the players GMs are looking for.

Here is where I am falling on the draft:

I am making the assumption we will not be able to trade up.  Even if we were able to, I would probably be unwilling to give up the assets to move up.

Here is my ranking at 26:

1) Jaden Hardy-  Betting on the skill, not necessarily the fit right now.  

2) Jalen Williams-  I have trouble seeing him reach 26, but weird things always happen

3) Dalen Terry-  Betting on his skillset and future projection

4) Marjon Beauchamp-  Probably my least confident choice, but I have liked what I have watched.  


I would be fine with Kendall Brown and EJ Liddell at 26, but just have the guys above over them.   Brown is another projection and will take time.  Liddell is probably the better player than most above, but I just like others better.

I really tried to find a spot for Patrick Baldwin.  He is a skilled 6'10 player who is suppose to be an elite shooter.  My issue, besides his poor 11 games this year, is I can't feel certain he is indeed an elite shooter.   Having history watching him for 2-3 years and working him out may give you a better feel, but I don't have that to go off of.

buy into the second round:

Mavs already have a full roster, but these are guys I would trade up for not taking in effect of roster openings.   Just guys I like.   I am making an assumption that we will not be able to buy a pick in the top 40.   Maybe that is wrong, but just for this I am looking past 40.  I haven't watched enough of the foreign centers. If Koloko slips past 40, he would be on my list.  I am just not sure he does.   

1) JD Davison- He is my blind spot this year.  No where close to being ready, but if he is a hard worker, I can see his game really blossoming in the next two years.   It would not shock me if he did go back for his Soph season that he would have a jump similar to Arizona's Mathurin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dGevSgSnO4&t=204s

2) Jaylin Williams-  Probably better in the 40 range.  He has some athletic shortcomings but is a very smart player and got better as the season went on.  Still young.

3) David Roddy-  My big asterick here is he needs to lose 15 pounds and get leaner to have a chance to stick.

Payton Watson (no production) and John Butler are right outside this list.  Butler is a perfect long range 2 way guy.  He is a 7 footer with wing skills.  Just really weak and limited production.

Undrafted guys-

1) Kenneth Lofton Jr.- I love fat guys.  He already has lost 30 pounds.  Needs to lose probably 20-30 more.   He has very good footwork despite being severely overweight last year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjphfY_jW3I

2) Moussa Diabate-  He is a well put together athlete and someone to gamble on a two way on.

3) Trevion Williams-   Really skilled offensive player that shared a role with another big at Purdue.  Defense is the concern.

4) Alondes Williams-  Like Moses Wright last year, Williams is the ACC player of the year.  He may also go undrafted like Moses Wright.

Kammrath's Mavs Draft Board -- 3.0

Trade-Up Targets (#14—#17 Range)

1) Tari Eason — Switchable Center/Wing

• 21.0 yrs | 6’ 6.75” | 7’ 2.0” WS | 8’ 11.5” SR | 11.0” hand | 5.9% fat | 217.4 lbs
  
• Strengths: defend 1-5, athleticism, huge hands, offensive potential
  
• Weaknesses: turnover & foul prone
  
• 1.34 points per Transition possession [90th percentile]
  
• 1.16 points per shot around the rim in the half court [56th percentile]
  
• 0.98 points per jump shot in the half court [67th percentile]
  
• 0.75 points per one-on-one D possession [52nd percentile]
  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfbsfp1eOt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2__9wBw_Ip0


Draft at #26 Targets

2) EJ Liddell — Small-Ball Center/Wing

• 21.4 yrs | 6’ 5.5” | 6’ 11.75” WS | 8’ 7.5” SR | 9.25” hand | 12.2% fat | 243 lbs
  
• Lane Agility: 11.11 | Shuttle: 3.23 | Sprint: 3.26 | Vert: 35.5 | Max Vert: 38.0
  
• Strengths: strong, athletic, defend 1-5, passing
  
• Weaknesses: short, body fat
  
• 1.04 points per Post Up possession [87th percentile]
  
• 1.21 points per finishing opportunity [68th percentile]
  
• 1.06 points per jump shot in the half court [80th percentile]
  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqh3-cqX1jk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-8CDaQREgo

3a) Jake LaRavia — Wing

• 20.6 yrs | 6’ 6.75” | 6’ 9.5” WS | 8’ 8” SR | 10.25” hand | 9.0% fat | 227.2 lbs
  
• Lane Agility: 10.58 | Shuttle: 2.89 | Sprint: 3.37 | Vert: 27.5 | Max Vert: 34.0
  
• Strengths: shooting, feel for the game, defensive upside, creation skills
  
• Weaknesses: short wingspan
  
• 1.39 points per post up possession [98th percentile]
  
• 1.39 points per finishing opportunity [89th percentile]
  
• 1.19 points per catch and shoot jump shot in the half court [82nd percentile]
  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z7ME0g8Pm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vQCgWgjZ2U

3b) Dalen Terry — Guard/Wing

• 19.9 yrs | 6’ 6.0” | 7’ 0.75” WS | 8’ 10” SR | 9.0” hand | 5.4% fat | 195.2 lbs
  
• Strengths: young, creation potential, rebounding, defend 1-4, feel for the game
  
• Weaknesses: thin, shooting consistency
  
• 1.35 points per transition possession [91st percentile]
  
• 1.14 points per shot around the rim in the half court [53rd percentile]
  
• 1.07 points per jump shot [80th percentile]
  
• 0.68 points per one-on-one D possession [62nd percentile]
  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4wp6iXcnSQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=041o7a8l0SI

5a) Kendall Brown — Wing

• 19.0 yrs | 6’ 6.25” | 6’ 11.0” WS | 8’ 7” SR | 9.0” hand | 4.9% fat | 201.2 lbs
  
• Lane Agility: 11.57 | Shuttle: 3.05 | Sprint: 3.29 | Vert: 31.5 | Max Vert: 41.0
  
• Strengths: defend 1-4, athleticism, finishing, passing, young
  
• Weaknesses: shooting, defensive consistency
  
• 1.49 points per shot around the rim [96th percentile]
  
• 0.79 points per jump shot [28th percentile]
  
• 0.55 points per isolation D possession [80th percentile]
  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWNYyaUyLJ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqcS3VxXY0g

5b) Jalen Williams — Wing

• 21.1 yrs | 6’ 4.5” | 7’ 2.25” WS | 8’ 9.5” SR | 9.5” hand | 8.9% fat | 209.2 lbs
  
• Lane Agility: 11.13 | Shuttle: 3.17 | Sprint: 3.11 | Vert: 33.5 | Max Vert: 39.0
  
• Strengths: creation ability, shooting, defend 1-4
  
• Weaknesses: defensive consistency
  
• 1.25 points per shot around the rim in the half court [73rd percentile]
  
• 1.02 points per floater [86th percentile]
  
• 0.79 points per pull-up jump shot [53rd percentile]
  
• 1.41 points per catch and shoot jump shot in the half court [97th percentile]
  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmv47jiD-GM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLCuLHZe_uw

7) Christian Koloko — Center

• 21.9 yrs | 6’ 10.75” | 7’ 5.25” WS | 9’ 5” SR | 10.75” hand | 5.7% fat | 221.0 lbs
  
• Lane Agility: 11.30 | Shuttle: 3.19 | Sprint: 3.27 | Vert: 28.0 | Max Vert: 33.5
  
• Strengths: rim protection, dunking (PNR), rebounding
  
• Weaknesses: shooting range, foul prone
  
• 1.45 points per shot around the rim in the half court [93rd percentile]
  
• 1.11 points per Post Up possession [93rd percentile]
  
• 0.63 points per isolation D possession [69th percentile]
  
• 0.72 points per post up D possession [71st percentile]
  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-NJ89zgi_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mugcw63fvQ

8) Josh Minott — Switchable Center/Wing

• 20.4 yrs | 6’ 8” | 6’ 11.75” WS | 8’ 11.75” SR | 197.0 lbs
  
• Strengths: defend 1-5, athleticism, rebounding
  
• Weaknesses: shooting range, foul prone, thin
  
• 1.27 points per shot around the rim [73rd percentile]
  
• 0.60 points per jump shot [11th percentile]
  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUSZCgw1uBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhARqsyN7Fo

9) Wendell Moore Jr — Guard/Wing

• 20.7 yrs | 6’ 4.25” | 7’ 0.25” WS | 8’ 5” SR | 10.25” hand | 7.5% fat | 217.2 lbs
  
• Lane Agility: 10.94 | Shuttle: 3.21 | Sprint: 3.30 | Vert: 32.5 | Max Vert: 38.5
  
• Strengths: shooting, creation ability, defend 1-3
  
• Weaknesses: athleticism doesn’t translate on-court, shooting consistency
  
• 1.36 points per catch and shoot jump shot in the half court [95th percentile]
  
• 1.22 points per shot around the rim in the half court [69th percentile]
  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2beV1xq9D2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm9H_PP1RMU

10) Marjon Beauchamp — Wing

• 20.6 yrs | 6’ 5.25” | 7’ 0.75” WS | 8’ 10” SR | 9.0” hand | 5.3% fat | 196.6 lbs
  
• Strengths: athleticism, 1v1 defense, rebounding
  
• Weaknesses: shooting, team defense
  
• 1.32 points per shot around the rim [85th percentile]
  
• 0.90 points per jump shot in the half court [41st percentile]
  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EPAkUNQ8q8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98VI5TvZe_c


Wild Card

???) Nikola Jovic — Wing

• 19.0 yrs | 6’ 9.5” | 7’ 0.25” WS | 9’ 0.5” SR | 9.75” hand | 7.4% fat | 222.6 lbs
  
• Strengths: young, shooting potential, creation ability
  
• Weaknesses: turnover prone, shooting consistency, defensive consistency
  
• 0.68 points per dribble jump shot [31st percentile]
  
• 0.62 points per floater [27th percentile]
  
• 1.11 points per catch and shoot jump shot in the half court [68th percentile]
  
• 1.13 points per shot around the rim [45th percentile]
  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWC8hdczSBw

(06-08-2022, 09:35 AM)Winter Wrote: [ -> ]I am not convinced Kessler is a great fit. He's everything we need for rim protection, but I don't see him being able to guard the perimeter. This is not a guy who gets even 20 minutes per game in my opinion. Not in today's NBA. Guys like Tari Eason are probably the future of the center position now. Kessler may be too limited.

Given the talent and quality of good wings in this draft, I would trade for a center and draft a wing.

Who guards the folks I mentioned?  We are not GS. They were lucky to have two of the greatest shooters ever and a guy (Green) who fits in perfectly. Even they though have Looney and drafted Wiseman.  Maybe Phoenix beats us more easily if they had not over analyzed and fed the ball 30 times to Ayton. When Curry fades a little the next team going on a run might have a big guy as the centerpiece no pun. Stephen Adams gave GS a lot of issues and with a healthy Ja, Memphis probably would have won that series. 

We are a team that looks really outclassed on the front line. The fact that we won a lot of games is despite that limitation.  Unless you are saying that you feel a given wing can be a true long term differnce maker, I would go with Kessler if he slips.

(06-08-2022, 03:32 PM)hakeemfaan Wrote: [ -> ]I would go with Kessler if he slips.

Slips? 

I think he's already slipped. Several mock drafts now have him lower than #26

You're right though, we are outclassed on the front line. By adding Kessler, we will be adding a big, somewhat slow rookie who might struggle to get minutes while learning the system. He's going to struggle when teams go small. My personal feeling is that he's a much bigger gamble than Dalen Terry or Jake LaRivia - both of whom might be there when we pick, and who are strong enough to get good rotation minutes.

I do admit though, I'm gun-shy about giant centers who have specialized skill sets that keep them in the paint.

(06-08-2022, 04:14 PM)Winter Wrote: [ -> ]Slips? 

I think he's already slipped. Several mock drafts now have him lower than #26

You're right though, we are outclassed on the front line. By adding Kessler, we will be adding a big, somewhat slow rookie who might struggle to get minutes while learning the system. He's going to struggle when teams go small. My personal feeling is that he's a much bigger gamble than Dalen Terry or Jake LaRivia - both of whom might be there when we pick, and who are strong enough to get good rotation minutes.

I do admit though, I'm gun-shy about giant centers who have specialized skill sets that keep them in the paint.

You are not getting any sure thing in most drafts even at the top, let alone at 26. Each one will come with their flaws. The challenge will be to evaluate which flaws you can live with. 

Coming to Kessler I have seen some where they say he has enough athleticism to stay on the switches. Some that say he doesn’t.  What I am saying is that same logic should hold true for some of the centers who are still doing very well in this league.  Who on our team guards those folks if we get into a playoff matchup?  Sure Kessler might get hurt a few times but he is also going to give our guards a 2nd line of defense and also provide size and rebounding underneath.  There is something to be said about blocking so many shots without getting into foul trouble. 

Looks like his outside shot also might be getting better. If you tell me he is Bobanesque at the perimeter, sure pass on him. OTOH if his perimeter dense while not great is comparable to most big men currently succeeding in this league, then he should be considered strongly.

I'm expecting this pick to be traded, but if they keep it I sure hope they don't waste it on a dinosaur. 

Modern, two-way players only, please.