06-26-2021, 10:05 PM
@"Scott41theMavs" PS: my favorite thing about this whole past two weeks was finding out the great Coach Carlisle wasn't going to be working in Milwaukee. That was a depressing possibility I was really, really dreading.
(06-26-2021, 10:00 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]
I'm abstaining, remember? My days of running down the Gaza Strip are over.
Suffice it to say, nothing I've read this week has changed my opinion of him in the slightest. Some things that shock other people about Carlisle are the equivalent to me of how you feel about people being shocked that Cuban makes decisions for the team he owns.
(06-26-2021, 10:00 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: [ -> ]I think the mental block is bc I don’t see the two outcomes as mutually exclusive.
Someone being recommended meaning someone else is slighted.
I think of ‘slighted’ as meaning the definition ‘insulted’, in a direct way.
For me to wrap my head around what’s being said is that an insult can mean anything someone finds offensive and thus a slight can be indirect as long as someone finds it offensive.
(06-26-2021, 10:07 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe we're just talking semantics.
I think of "slight" as treating someone as not important, as if they don't matter, as not giving them the respect they deserve. It seemed like his comment was the essence of that.
It also seemed like a conscious effort to undermine his own assistant's quest for a job.
I think it was intentional, given Carlisle's propensity to consider his words, but I will allow for the possibility that a slight is in the mind of the beholder.
(06-26-2021, 10:18 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: [ -> ]Not to continue this thread within the thread any longer than needed, but your definition also makes complete sense. I’d probably buy in if I just didn’t have rose colored glasses related to Carlisle.
I told my buddy when he was hired he would be the last coach the Mavs hired. (I didn’t mean that literally) but I thought he would be here a LONG time is all. And I was still surprised to see him go. But I am not surprised by all these stories of him being a curmudgeon. I think that was pretty clear the entirety of his time here.
(06-26-2021, 10:11 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]KL, for the record, I believe RC is one of the five best X's-and-O's coaches in the NBA right now (vs. someone like Barlettbear, for whom the gross majority of his critiques of Rick were over those issues). I also believe that he's as poor at player development and being a player's coach as Rivers is at the X's-and-O's, so it balances out.
(06-26-2021, 10:00 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]
I'm abstaining, remember? My days of running down the Gaza Strip are over.
Suffice it to say, nothing I've read this week has changed my opinion of him in the slightest. Some things that shock other people about Carlisle are the equivalent to me of how you feel about people being shocked that Cuban makes decisions for the team he owns.
(06-26-2021, 11:02 PM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]I would have thought you would have taken offense at RC for doing a Harden move and quitting on the team
RC had a contract and he forced his way out - you seemed upset at Harden doing the same
(06-26-2021, 11:06 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]FWIW, Kidd said the thing he most regretted about his HC experience was that he was too hard on his players. Said all he cared about was winning, and he was too rough on guys in pursuit of that objective. Wished he had stopped here and there and let them have a little fun.
(06-26-2021, 10:45 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Like I said. At this point, it's clear that the majority of people here aren't going to get where I'm coming from with this. I have made my peace with that. I probably shouldn't have responded to Kamm's postI don't think your position is especially hard to understand. Thanks for spelling it out.
(06-26-2021, 11:12 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I don't want to predict doom and gloom here. I REALLY want this new front office and coach to do AMAZING work. I'm sick of the Mavs not being good enough, just like everyone else.Yes, I believe his alienating the players at his first two stops was at least allegedly the source of his regrets.
But, Kidd has NOT been a player-friendly guy at his first two stops. I understand that some of the bigger names around the league are effusive with praise and support, and that's GREAT, but his last two locker rooms really didn't like him by the end, and both were short stints. This guy is not "the opposite of Carlise" in the player relations department, at least not so far.
Just google "Jason Kidd locker room" and trust me, you'll find some stuff that worries you.
I'm hopeful that he can relate to Luka on a savant-to-savant level, and I am 100% going to give the dude a chance to win me over. And, I'm 100% happy that they didn't give Mosley the job, for some reason I'm not sure I fully understand, myself.
(06-26-2021, 11:06 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Covered this is in my un-proofed novel on the last page. I did get mad about him quitting, and it's one of the many feels I have weathered this week.
At the end of the day, however we got there, it seems we all agree (even Carlisle, even Cuban) that it was time.
(06-26-2021, 11:22 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]but I take it you're not talking about Tonya Harding type stuff.
(06-26-2021, 11:29 PM)Silent Mav Wrote: [ -> ]Need a hug big guy?
(06-26-2021, 09:06 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: [ -> ]I trust you on the tampering thing but why do you see it as tampering and ....
(06-26-2021, 11:02 PM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]I would have thought you would have taken offense at RC for doing a Harden move and quitting on the team
RC had a contract and he forced his way out - you seemed upset at Harden doing the same
(06-26-2021, 10:45 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Like I said. At this point, it's clear that the majority of people here aren't going to get where I'm coming from with this. I have made my peace with that. I probably shouldn't have responded to Kamm's post.