Another guess:
I bet Nico wanted Kidd as coach because he has the "pulse" of NBA players and knew who was most liked and respected by players. If Nico is functioning GM, then he wants a coach he can "sell" his players on.
One more guess:
I think Cuban might have known weeks ago that Nico was the guy. He might have even shared that with RC. I also bet that Nico probably didn't want RC as coach.
(06-24-2021, 10:41 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I think Cuban might have known weeks ago that Nico was the guy. He might have even shared that with RC. I also bet that Nico probably didn't want RC as coach.
This one, I don't see, personally.
Amick has said that while he doesn't believe his (and Cato's) article caused this turnover, he believes it sped the process up considerably, and the way he said it, I believe him. My guess is that Cuban didn't fully understand the extent to which the politics of his front office had deteriorated until he got pissed about that story, probably a couple of weeks before it was published.
I think with Carlisle, he just didn't want to be in Dallas without Donnie. I just think he looked around after his primary ally was fired and saw the writing on the wall. If Cuban knew he was hiring Harrison for weeks and Harrison didn't want Carlisle, as you speculate, then Cuban's strong public show of support for Carlisle remaining coach immediately after the LAC series would be a real head-scratcher. I think the narrative we were given, in this case, is simple and rings of truth.
(06-24-2021, 10:48 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]If Cuban knew he was hiring Harrison for weeks and Harrison didn't want Carlisle, as you speculate, then Cuban's strong public show of support for Carlisle remaining coach immediately after the LAC series would be a real head-scratcher. I think the narrative we were given, in this case, is simple and rings of truth.
I think your take is legit. Let me counter with an imaginary timeline though and see what you think:
1) Around the TDL Cuban realizes he has a HUGE issue that will not resolve itself. He realizes Donnie has to go.
2) Cuban hires Ford's Sportsology after the TDL to begin vetting and seeing who might be interested.
3) Cuban knows during the playoffs that Nico MIGHT be the guy.
4) After the playoffs, Cuban makes a strong statement for RC because he doesn't know for sure on Nico plus he doesn't know what Nico might want.
5) After Donnie is officially let go, Cuban sits down with RC for a heart to heart. Cuban loves and respects RC and all he has done for DAL. But Cuban lets RC know the reality of the situation and that Nico is likely the guy and that Nico values player friendly coaches above all else.
6) RC reads the writing on the wall and gets out. Cuban agrees to make it all amicable and to help RC get a new gig as easily as possible.
(06-24-2021, 10:54 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I think your take is legit. Let me counter with an imaginary timeline though and see what you think:
1) Around the TDL Cuban realizes he has a HUGE issue that will not resolve itself. He realizes Donnie has to go.
2) Cuban hires Ford's Sportsology after the TDL to begin vetting and seeing who might be interested.
3) Cuban knows during the playoffs that Nico MIGHT be the guy.
4) After the playoffs, Cuban makes a strong statement for RC because he doesn't know for sure on Nico plus he doesn't know what Nico might want.
5) After Donnie is officially let go, Cuban sits down with RC for a heart to heart. Cuban loves and respects RC and all he has done for DAL. But Cuban lets RC know the reality of the situation and that Nico is likely the guy and that Nico values player friendly coaches above all else.
6) RC reads the writing on the wall and gets out. Cuban agrees to make it all amicable and to help RC get a new gig as easily as possible.
Does Kidd turning down an interview in Portland play into anyone's timeline?
(06-24-2021, 10:54 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I think your take is legit. Let me counter with an imaginary timeline though and see what you think:
1) Around the TDL Cuban realizes he has a HUGE issue that will not resolve itself. He realizes Donnie has to go.
2) Cuban hires Ford's Sportsology after the TDL to begin vetting and seeing who might be interested.
3) Cuban knows during the playoffs that Nico MIGHT be the guy.
4) After the playoffs, Cuban makes a strong statement for RC because he doesn't know for sure on Nico plus he doesn't know what Nico might want.
5) After Donnie is officially let go, Cuban sits down with RC for a heart to heart. Cuban loves and respects RC and all he has done for DAL. But Cuban lets RC know the reality of the situation and that Nico is likely the guy and that Nico values player friendly coaches above all else.
6) RC reads the writing on the wall and gets out. Cuban agrees to make it all amicable and to help RC get a new gig as easily as possible.
Plausible, for sure. Not as simple, but plausible.
(06-24-2021, 10:56 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Does Kidd turning down an interview in Portland play into anyone's timeline?
Holy crap. Great connection.
Kidd turns down the interview on June 6....RC steps down on June 17.
I think that lends credence to my guess that much of this has been in motion for awhile.
(06-24-2021, 10:56 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Does Kidd turning down an interview in Portland play into anyone's timeline?
Another good point. Could be related, but not necessarily. He might've been interested in other jobs, too, only...not Portland.
But, could be.
(06-24-2021, 10:48 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]If Cuban knew he was hiring Harrison for weeks and Harrison didn't want Carlisle, as you speculate, then Cuban's strong public show of support for Carlisle remaining coach immediately after the LAC series would be a real head-scratcher.
Probably just coincidence, but with the benefit of hindsight I can't help but notice that Kidd officially (and unexpectedly) took his name out of the running for the Portland job the exact same day that Dallas was eliminated by the Clippers.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/3157...ng-vacancy
(06-24-2021, 11:01 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Probably just coincidence, but with the benefit of hindsight I can't help but notice that Kidd officially (and unexpectedly) took his name out of the running for the Portland job the exact same day that Dallas was eliminated by the Clippers.
I would guess that is NOT a coincidence of timing. Nice connection!
(06-24-2021, 11:01 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Probably just coincidence, but with the benefit of hindsight I can't help but notice that Kidd officially (and unexpectedly) took his name out of the running for the Portland job the exact same day that Dallas was eliminated by the Clippers.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/3157...ng-vacancy
The fact that it was the same day Dallas got eliminated on top of the fact that Nellie was rumored to be let go on Thursday that week is starting to make a lot of coincidences add up.
On the personal and off the court history... I get the dislike for Jkidd and if that's your take cool.
I'm not so sure why everyone is so quick to say Kidd is a bad coach tho based on his resume so far. 1 season in Brooklyn before fired for non on court reasons. Some front office drama with a crazy Russian owner. Throw Brooklyn days out the window.
So we have 3.5 years with him in Milwaukee.
Giannis went from 12.7 ppg to 27 ppg. And rebounds and assists went up huge as well.
Middleton went from a 13ppg scorer to a 20ppg scorer.
Those were his constants in Milwaukee and they got DRASTICALLY better under him.
He can coach guys up very well based on the evidence. Individually at least.
Look at those Bucks teams and tell me those rosters are anything but a 500 team. Look at the Bucks team the year after he's fired and the improvements.
I have no idea how good of a X's and O's or adjustments wise Kidd is because he's never had a much of a team to work with and do much with. But I think with how good of a basketball mind he has there is pretty decent chance he can be good there. He may have some growing pains in that regard.
What I see with Kidd is a guy that has managed to get the best out of his guys individually and a guy that has related to them.
I think that's what Luka needs and if we keep KP, the same thing for him.
I think Kidd is going to excel here and people are going to look back and realize how wrong they were to think he was a bad coach. I also would have really liked Mosley because I think he's got the same qualities as Kidd. But this is the type of coach I think we needed and I suggested it the day Rick quit.
(06-24-2021, 11:54 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]On the personal and off the court history... I get the dislike for Jkidd and if that's your take cool.
You know, I feel like this SHOULD bother me, but for whatever reason it doesn't.
I AM interested to see how the Mavs handle the outrage this generates, however, as all things do in 2021.
https://twitter.com/spinstersbw/status/1...51426?s=20
I think we can expect quite a bit of this over the next few weeks. Either Cuban doesn't care about it at all, or he feels so strongly that Kidd is the guy that he's willing to weather it.
I'll give Cuban this much:
He has managed to keep the Mavs at the front of the news line for almost two full rounds of a great playoffs year AFTER they were eliminated. Maybe it's just the Luka effect, but I think that's pretty wild.
(06-24-2021, 05:17 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Not a fan of keeping Voulgaris around, but if he's hidden in a closet and we never see or hear from him directly then eventually we'll stop caring.
The real Voulgaris problem wasn't that he is a prick. It was that his advice was taken over the advice of the one supposed to be in charge. So locking him in a closet doesn't solve that issue.
Rick was such a huge jerk that Mavs neeeded 13 years to get rid of him. I am not buying that story...
(06-24-2021, 08:12 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Im kind of coming to terms that all these people will be seen as equal to Cuban who will be the end decision maker anyways.
This is why I am negative about Mavs plan. Certainly looks like it will be like this
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