(06-18-2021, 08:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]You've SEEN him being a douche? Well, that would change my opinion for sure. Please elaborate on the personal, first-hand experience that has led you to this conclusion.
I have lived in the metroplex for the entirety of his Mavs tenure, and I think he's a class act. But, I might have missed something. My mind is open.
I saw this
RC yells at Salah "You've got two (expletive) points, get the (expletive) out of here."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSYxda4qmGA
The full story with an apology by RC
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb...059481001/
(06-18-2021, 11:16 PM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]I saw this
RC yells at Salah "You've got two (expletive) points, get the (expletive) out of here."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSYxda4qmGA
The full story with an apology by RC
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb...059481001/
He's a coach, emotionally invested in an emotionally charged situation. I see nothing wrong with any of it. Mejri was lucky to be here as long as he was, and what little success he attained in the league is owed mostly to Carlisle.
Good on Carlisle for apologizing, I guess - I wouldn't have.
Again, you're all welcome to your opinions, but NOTHING like this is going to change my personal opinion of the man. I LIKE people who expect others to be as great as they are, and being pissed off when they disappoint is something that I see as a natural part of that skillset.
Here's Steve Kerr pulling something similar with Draymond Green, an actual good player who has contributed to multiple championships. Is Steve Kerr a bad person, or is this just an emotional outburst born from a situation wherein people are frustrated because they really care about how things are going at the time?
To me, it's the latter.
https://youtu.be/BRUs53MYKLc
(06-18-2021, 11:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]He's a coach, emotionally invested in an emotionally charged situation. I see nothing wrong with any of it. Mejri was lucky to be here as long as he was, and what little success he attained in the league is owed mostly to Carlisle.
Good on Carlisle for apologizing, I guess - I wouldn't have.
Again, you're all welcome to your opinions, but NOTHING like this is going to change my personal opinion of the man. I LIKE people who expect others to be as great as they are, and being pissed off when they disappoint is something that I see as a natural part of that skillset.
You asked to see an example of RC being a douche
That was a douche move. It wasn't some emotionally charged situation, the Mavericks were up by double-digits in the third quarter when Mejri was ejected. In a game that we wound up winning by 20+ points
You can be a douche and be a great coach
Honestly, some of you people must be saints to cast so many stones at these guys. I put 100% of myself into what I do (competitive thing involving music - won't bore you about it), mind, body and soul. It gets emotional when things don't go well, which happens often, because other people just as serious as me are putting themselves into trying to beat me. I'm short with people all the time - I try not to be, but I'm human, and it matters to me when I don't feel like we're successful.
(06-18-2021, 11:28 PM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]That was a douche move.
I respectfully (but vehemently) disagree.
(06-18-2021, 11:31 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I respectfully (but vehemently) disagree.
I also respectfully (but vehemently) disagree.
(06-18-2021, 11:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]He's a coach, emotionally invested in an emotionally charged situation. I see nothing wrong with any of it. Mejri was lucky to be here as long as he was, and what little success he attained in the league is owed mostly to Carlisle.
Good on Carlisle for apologizing, I guess - I wouldn't have.
Again, you're all welcome to your opinions, but NOTHING like this is going to change my personal opinion of the man. I LIKE people who expect others to be as great as they are, and being pissed off when they disappoint is something that I see as a natural part of that skillset.
I can’t get behind this post. You had me till this one. That was not cool. [Edit: the coach’s comments, that is. Not your post.]
(06-18-2021, 11:37 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t get behind this post. You had me till this one. That was not cool.
I guess it just depends on what you consider cool.
When I think of bad behavior in the context of a competitive group activity, I think of people not matching the commitment and sacrifice levels of their teammates. Example: James Harden whining and meddling to get his way in Houston for years, including making idiotic roster demands, only to demand a trade to a ready made contender when HIS moves don't work out. I think THAT is what a "douche" looks like.
Someone whose interaction style differs from what you prefer in competitive situations? Nah, I don't get into a twist about that, as long as they're willing to do ANYTHING in order to win. Carlisle has always been a worker - very consistent about holding people accountable to "the standard" (which is God in a competitive situation, imo). I'm sure there are snapshots of any great coach's style that, when viewed without the proper context, seem rough to some. I repeat: I am unfazed by that type of thing. I have said worse to YOUNGER people.
If Carlisle is a douche, then I'm Hitler.
How about Jeff Van Gundy as the new coach?
(06-18-2021, 11:53 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]How about Jeff Van Gundy as the new coach?
Why do you hate the Mavs?
That Salah thing is not that big a deal in the context of sports. I remember when it happened and didn't think it was a big deal at the time, either. I've seen way worse and I never played anything past high school other than rec leagues.
I agree it's not a huge deal in isolation, especially since he apologized, but... in context of his pattern of putting certain players in the doghouse, and the complaints that many NBA players don't like him, I think it's certainly a valid data point. Carlisle can be a great NBA coach while also not being the right one for this team, who desperately needs to add young talent around Luka. Again, I've been a RC defender, but IF it's true that he's an obstacle to adding that talent, the choice is extremely simple.
(06-18-2021, 11:57 PM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you hate the Mavs?
Guess that's a no...
(06-19-2021, 12:02 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Carlisle can be a great NBA coach while also not being the right one for this team
Now THIS is true, and you didn't have to attack someone's character to make this point. Bravo.
(06-19-2021, 12:04 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Guess that's a no...
JVG wasn't even that good of a coach in the era that was perfect for him, the gritty '90s. He would be disastrously incompetent trying to force his vision of how NBA basketball "should" be in the modern era, and it's not like any players would like him either. Luka would beg for a trade within days of being subjected to endless Van Gundian rants.
The timeline just wasn't right between Luka and RC. Obviously Luka naturally has a lot of growing up to do and I don't mean that in a negative way. Everyone approaches things differently at age 22 compared to when they're older. In 5-10 years, he will probably look back at these 3 years under RC and realize that maybe he shouldn't have gotten as angry at certain things and handled things better on his part.
Just look at Kidd, who also clashed with RC early on. If it was the younger version of Kidd, there is no way that would have ended well.
Carlisle is a good fit for a veteran team trying to get over the hump. Like I said in another thread, he'd be perfect in Milwaukee where their roster is set and they need a coach who can maximize their talent.
Based on what's come out, I don't think he's the right coach for a young superstar and a team which NEEDS to be attractive to free agents above all else.
(06-19-2021, 12:13 AM)SwisherPrice Wrote: [ -> ]The timeline just wasn't right between Luka and RC.
I think I agree with this.
However, I have a feeling that while the kind of younger, less experienced coach who replaces Carlisle might bring some of the positives people are expecting, he will very likely also bring a new brand of "learning on the job" mistakes, the absence of which we might not be as ready to endure as we think we are around here.
It's possible that this is BOTH the right move AND something that makes the team slightly worse in the short term.
(06-19-2021, 12:17 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Carlisle is a good fit for a veteran team trying to get over the hump. Like I said in another thread, he'd be perfect in Milwaukee where their roster is set and they need a coach who can maximize their talent.
Based on what's come out, I don't think he's the right coach for a young superstar and a team which NEEDS to be attractive to free agents above all else.
I don't buy that Carlisle is the reason those high profile free agents didn't sign here, but I agree that Milwaukee's roster is a good fit for Carlisle. It's a lot more like his Detroit/Indiana rosters than Dallas has ever been, really.
Most of you know my thoughts on Milwaukee as a city (I would nuke it if I were president) so it will suck for me if he goes there, but I can see him getting Giannis to understand why the ball shouldn't be in his hands so much, getting a ton out of guys like Middleton, and I have a feeling he'd love Holiday.
(06-18-2021, 06:05 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]More questions with each report. It´s super difficult to evaluate the roster and coaching decisions of the last few years.
We know a few things about the draft picks and trades. Green, Terry, Wright all Bob´s guys. Know nothing about the coaching aspect.
KPs role. Luka-centric offense. Front court rotation. THJ/JRich minutes. Who made the call?
tbf, it seems that the rest of MBT was on board with Terry.
He was considered much higher prospect than 2nd round, and the reports is that they were particularly surprised by the Green pick as they wanted someone else.