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Question? What’s the point of waiting on the GM to make a decision on the HC with the new news? So it looks like the new GM has some sort of decision making power?

(06-23-2021, 07:54 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Question? What’s the point of waiting on the GM to make a decision on the HC with the new news? So it looks like the new GM has some sort of decision making power?

Optics.

(06-23-2021, 07:54 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Question? What’s the point of waiting on the GM to make a decision on the HC with the new news? So it looks like the new GM has some sort of decision making power?

Cuban isn't INTENTIONALLY trying to be the problem. He's not a monster. I am sure that in his head, he believes that this is all being done at the highest level possible, for the exact, right reasons. The best thing for everyone. I'm sure that when Mosley gets confirmed by the new GM and then hired, Cuban will take it as confirmation that he/they are on the right track. In his mind, he won't see that agreeing to the direction was HOW anyone would've gotten the job, if that makes sense (not worded well, sorry). 

He's not some evil dude trying to figure out how to con us. He's just bad at this.

(06-23-2021, 08:50 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Cuban isn't INTENTIONALLY trying to be the problem. He's not a monster. I am sure that in his head, he believes that this is all being done at the highest level possible, for the exact, right reasons. The best thing for everyone. I'm sure that when Mosley gets confirmed by the new GM and then hired, Cuban will take it as confirmation that he/they are on the right track. In his mind, he won't see that agreeing to the direction was HOW anyone would've gotten the job, if that makes sense (not worded well, sorry). 

He's not some evil dude trying to figure out how to con us. He's just bad at this.

Wording was just fine for me, and I agree with this mindset for him. I know of so many cases like this...how can a person be so dense to think this way when EVERYTHING around him is pointing him in a different way. I guess that is the personality though. When someone tells him the right thing to do, even if that person knows it's the right thing to do, they still do the opposite because, no one is gonna tell me what to do. I'm sure we all have seen this personality in their lives. I think anyone with a big family probably has a sibling that is this way.

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Oh, and that post is very astute KL!

I would submit that Cuban and his MBT have been unsuccessful at this since 2011. That does not mean he can’t learn at this point and neither point means he has to agree with any of us. His decisions this time could turn out beautifully right. 

The roster has a top 5 player and some assets. We have better talent than anytime since 2011. We have a guy who may become our best player ever. Hopefully he will have multiple titles with us. This is not over if our hopes are not met this month or summer. 

This is all incredibly interesting with severe ups and downs. It is kind of like Suns/Clippers last night. Enjoy and avoid staying in heartache.

(06-23-2021, 09:04 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]how can a person be so dense to think this way when EVERYTHING around him is pointing him in a different way.

Oh, man, IGT...can't you relate? I can. We can't always see our blindspots. And sometimes we have folks that love us that will point them out to us. And sometimes inner circle folks don't tell the person they have blindspots, and the person views all the outsiders who are trying to help them out as haters. That's how humans roll.

(06-23-2021, 09:27 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, man, IGT...can't you relate? I can. We can't always see our blindspots. And sometimes we have folks that love us that will point them out to us. And sometimes inner circle folks don't tell the person they have blindspots, and the person views all the outsiders who are trying to help them out as haters. That's how humans roll.

Ya, that quote would be more accurate by saying EVERYTHING (except his immediate bubble)...

Unfortunately for me, I have that big family....and I am "that guy". Damnit! I'm sorry family!

I was the guy that it wouldn't even take a dare for me to do something crazy/stupid. I was the "hold my beer" guy...

(06-23-2021, 08:50 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Cuban isn't INTENTIONALLY trying to be the problem. He's not a monster. I am sure that in his head, he believes that this is all being done at the highest level possible, for the exact, right reasons. The best thing for everyone. I'm sure that when Mosley gets confirmed by the new GM and then hired, Cuban will take it as confirmation that he/they are on the right track. In his mind, he won't see that agreeing to the direction was HOW anyone would've gotten the job, if that makes sense (not worded well, sorry). 

He's not some evil dude trying to figure out how to con us. He's just bad at this.

You're halfway to becoming a Cuban apologist too. Keep up the good work

(06-23-2021, 10:05 AM)Silent Mav Wrote: [ -> ]You're halfway to becoming a Cuban apologist too. Keep up the good work

I mean, I don't want to hate him. I want him to succeed, because he's not selling anytime soon. I love this team. 

But I'm done pretending he's doing a good job now that his shield GM is fired and the only legit person who has worked here since Don Nelson Sr has quit. 

I will now evaluate every single bit of news, every move, on it's own merits (as I see them), with no benefit of the doubt being paid for the possibility of things seeming off because of their context, as if there's some brilliant long-term plan in place.

And for the record, just because I loathe the way Cuban has chosen to operate doesn't mean that every move will automatically be the wrong one! 

Voulgaris might be really smart. 

Mosley might end up being a great coach. 

It's just that I believe, personally, there's a ton of evidence that the victories and defeats (of decision making) will happen randomly in the future, as they so often have in the past. I don't see system or process here. At least not in any sense that gives me hope right now. 

I am mourning the loss of hope for the organizational approach I would implement. That's all.

(06-23-2021, 11:42 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]And for the record, just because I loathe the way Cuban has chosen to operate doesn't mean that every move will automatically be the wrong one! 

To be fair, Cubes way did lead to massive success for about 11 years from 2000-2011. Mavs were the 2nd in win % behind only the Spurs (and number 3 LAL was WAY behind either of them). 

Gave us 3 WCF berths and 2 finals appearances with 1 championship. Hindsight tells us they could have definitely had more, but that alone is more than most franchises. 

Cuban is annoying. The writing on the wall screams for him to take a step back yet he digs his heels in the sand even further. But just because he's being obdurate doesn't mean the Mavs are automatically doomed.

(06-23-2021, 11:50 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair, Cubes way did lead to massive success for about 11 years from 2000-2011. Mavs were the 2nd in win % behind only the Spurs (and number 3 LAL was WAY behind either of them). 

Gave us 3 WCF berths and 2 finals appearances with 1 championship. Hindsight tells us they could have definitely had more, but that alone is more than most franchises. 

Cuban is annoying. The writing on the wall screams for him to take a step back yet he digs his heels in the sand even further. But just because he's being obdurate doesn't mean the Mavs are automatically doomed.

I wanted the Donnie/Rick era to end.  I'm just struggling to see how the biggest weaknesses of basketball operations are being addressed.  We need a relationship guy to help with free agency/player agents as Cuban is terrible at this.  We need a renewed focus on drafting and valuing draft picks.  I really wonder who's bright idea it was to pull of the Reddick trade?  There is a lot to shake out, but my confidence in Mark is at an all time low.

(06-23-2021, 12:45 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I really wonder who's bright idea it was to pull of the Reddick trade?  There is a lot to shake out, but my confidence in Mark is at an all time low.

Apparently it was Donnie who advocated for the Redick trade according to one of those articles from Voulgaris, but honestly who really knows? For all we know it was Cuban that wanted Redick to begin with. 

(06-23-2021, 12:45 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I wanted the Donnie/Rick era to end.  I'm just struggling to see how the biggest weaknesses of basketball operations are being addressed.  We need a relationship guy to help with free agency/player agents as Cuban is terrible at this.  We need a renewed focus on drafting and valuing draft picks. 

I'm with ya here. Just want someone to breathe fresh air into this franchise. Cuban seems quite content with the status quo.

(06-23-2021, 12:48 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Apparently it was Donnie who advocated for the Redick trade according to one of those articles from Voulgaris, but honestly who really knows? For all we know it was Cuban that wanted Redick to begin with. 




I'm with ya here. Just want someone to breathe fresh air into this franchise. Cuban seems quite content with the status quo.

I guess the good news is that if free agency and drafting struggles continue under the new regime, we know exactly who to blame.

More odds 

https://twitter.com/thekobebeef/status/1...70688?s=21

Dirk with an ear piece. Bob sitting in a dark chamber somewhere in the basement. Giving him instructions.

Kind of want to lay some money on Dirk for the laughs.  If Cuban is reading this, direct message me and I can help you offset some of the bath you took in Crypto recently.

I'll take those Dirk odds and run with it.

What about Jerry Stackhouse? He seems like a great coach and played here

Tim Hardaway Sr. Followed up by a max deal for the future allstar THJ Jr.