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(06-17-2021, 11:32 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]When you chose to keep an inefficient chucker in Burke instead of the person Luka listens too as your end of bench player you need drastic changes in decision making...

To be fair, they probably envisioned a bigger roll for Burke based on Bubble Burke.  It turns out that the rest of the league was correct and he should have been out of the league.  How many good games did Busted Burke have this year?  Two?

(06-17-2021, 11:34 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]Did it not come down to Iwundu v Barea? Burke has quite a bit more guaranteed money on his deal.

Barea and Burke play the same role...Barea should have been the choice...

(06-17-2021, 11:36 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair, they probably envisioned a bigger roll for Burke based on Bubble Burke.  It turns out that the rest of the league was correct and he should have been out of the league.  How many good games did Busted Burke have this year?  Two?

2 is being generous...

(06-17-2021, 11:38 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]2 is being generous...

I only remember the game where he and THJ went off.

His best game was the one where he never left the bench and waived his towel like an All-star...

Everybody get in here!

Please help us Dirk! You’re the only one i trust!

Highlights from Take Dat Wit You emergency pod (Dameris and Followill) --

The Athletic article exposed a lot of things people have been hearing about for a while.

The Donnie-Rick decisions were not made in the last 48 hours. The article itself didn’t cause the shakeup. It may have been the last straw, but the problems have been ongoing. 


Donnie and Rick

New GMs who inherit established structures usually keep things intact for a year or so, and then make a bunch of wholesale changes. Rick probably saw the handwriting on the wall wrt probable changes in a year, and so left now, with a lot of great openings out there. It would probably have been unpleasant for him staying here and being constantly on the hot seat for a season, after all his history with the Mavs and at this point in his life. 

From the Mavs’ point of view, it might have made sense not to risk wasting a season with a make-good year giving Donnie/Rick a last chance. Teams like Phoenix and Atlanta have passed the Mavs up, and the team is feeling the pressure of an accelerated timeline. 

Rick broke the news to Woj, rather than Stein, which indicates that he wanted to control the narrative, rather than filter it through the team. 

Rick’s departure should not be taken as a sign that the team had lost confidence in Rick’s coaching ability. Mark wanted him to stay, subject to the new GM’s wishes. 

This will have ramifications throughout the organization, including assistant coaches, video coordinators, scouts, etc. 

Will be no shortage of opportunities for both Donnie and Rick. 


New President/GM. 

Mavs will be active on draft night, in case something happens where they get a chance to get someone. So would be good to get a new GM by then.

Probable that there will be two top management roles. President, and GM. The president is the overall strategist. Then you have someone else as his right-hand man, who actually does the day-to-day GM’ing. 

Finley is a candidate for one of those roles. 

Masai Ujiri is another. He wants both total control and an ownership interest. Think Mark would not have a problem with the equity piece. But probably not total control. Don’t think Masai is a realistic option here because Cuban. 

A new president coming in is going to have to be willing to work with whatever continued involvement Cuban wants to have. Mark likes analytics guys, but the new prez doesn’t have to be one. 

Various player agents might also be looked at. Cubes has relationships with some. Jeff Schwarz, for example. 

Donnie is taking away a huge amount of institutional knowledge, so getting someone familiar with the organization would be a plus. 

Possible new head coaches

The new president will probably have a large say in who the new coach is.

Luka won’t be involved in the selection process, but he will be kept apprised, and they will look for someone who fits with him. Might have veto power.

Mosley is an obvious candidate. If he doesn’t get the head coach job, he will almost certainly leave. Is very popular with the players. But he has been able to play the “good cop” role with respect to Rick, and probably can’t do that any more if he is HC. 

Becky Hammon likely to be interviewed. There is a Serbian assistant coach at Memphis who might get a shot. Also a Slovenian guy who is a former head coach of the Suns. Terry Stotts might draw some interest, although more likely they will go with someone younger, who can relate well to young guys while also having enough gravitas to command respect. Dwayne Casey might be interested. Kidd would probably have an interest in coming back to Dallas. Barea would like to come back as an assistant. Other names will surface. Nick Nurse, maybe. Or the Pacers coach. 

Might get a players’ coach as HC, and then bring in an assistant or two to do the X’s and O’s.


Many changes coming. 

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The day I decide to not look at basketball and focus on work was today...

Well shit.

(06-18-2021, 12:10 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Highlights from Take Dat Wit You emergency pod (Dameris and Followill) --

....

Might get a players’ coach as HC, and then bring in an assistant or two to do the X’s and O’s.


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Nice work ML.  No aspersions need be cast on Donnie/Rick.  They had a very nice run, great when you consider the only franchise championship. 

Feels like it's time for fresh blood and a reboot around Luka.  There's some talent here.  Its a playoff team that went to game 7 with a team still in the running for the chip.  The cupboard is not bare so be fun to watch a new team get a look at it.

I am a big fan of Dave Joerger(he is the assistant coach of the 76ers right now). He was leading the G-league Memphis Grizzlies to the PO's and he is also a big fan of Luka. His only problem is that he says what he thinks...

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/12/17/1814...-nba-draft

He is a great basketball mind at least IMO. Something the Mavs need.

(06-18-2021, 01:55 AM)juanc Wrote: [ -> ]I am a big fan of Dave Joerger(he is the assistant coach of the 76ers right now). He was leading the G-league Memphis Grizzlies to the PO's and he is also a big fan of Luka. His only problem is that he says what he thinks...

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/12/17/1814...-nba-draft

He is a great basketball mind at least IMO. Something the Mavs need.

I forgot about Joerger. I too am a fan.

(06-18-2021, 01:55 AM)juanc Wrote: [ -> ]I am a big fan of Dave Joerger(he is the assistant coach of the 76ers right now). He was leading the G-league Memphis Grizzlies to the PO's and he is also a big fan of Luka. His only problem is that he says what he thinks...

I like Joerger a lot as well.

I know why he was eventually ousted in SAC (upending the FO and praising Luka while simultaneously never giving Bagley any minutes), but I have no idea why he was fired in MEM. 

Was it a lack of coaching acumen? A riff between him and the superstars? 

As available coaches go, Joerger is a fantastic candidate.

(06-18-2021, 12:10 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Highlights from Take Dat Wit You emergency pod (Dameris and Followill) --

The Masai part.

If he would come here, but Cuban isn't giving up control. Yikes

(06-18-2021, 02:28 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I like Joerger a lot as well.

I know why he was eventually ousted in SAC (upending the FO and praising Luka while simultaneously never giving Bagley any minutes), but I have no idea why he was fired in MEM. 

Was it a lack of coaching acumen? A riff between him and the superstars? 

As available coaches go, Joerger is a fantastic candidate.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1548...ee-seasons

"Grizzlies management believed Joerger was not fully invested in coaching in Memphis and had been getting indications of that all season, sources said. The Grizzlies were also frustrated by Joerger's veiled swipes at the front office in the media."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm3QNnSAEVU

Really looks like a guy who is not fully invested...

(06-18-2021, 03:25 AM)juanc Wrote: [ -> ]Really looks like a guy who is not fully invested...

Interesting....

Seems like he got fired for roughly the same thing he did in SAC. Points to potentially some attitude problems...

Though I don't think that's inherently bad. He calls it like he sees it. SAC was being stupid in not taking the wunderkind. MEM was heading to a rebuild after 2016 and Joerger probably didn't want to be apart of that. 

I just hope we nail the GM choice first. Coach comes second.

(06-18-2021, 12:10 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Highlights from Take Dat Wit You emergency pod (Dameris and Followill) --

Possible new head coaches

The new president will probably have a large say in who the new coach is.

Luka won’t be involved in the selection process, but he will be kept apprised, and they will look for someone who fits with him. Might have veto power.

Mosley is an obvious candidate. If he doesn’t get the head coach job, he will almost certainly leave. Is very popular with the players. But he has been able to play the “good cop” role with respect to Rick, and probably can’t do that any more if he is HC. 

Becky Hammon likely to be interviewed. There is a Serbian assistant coach at Memphis who might get a shot. Also a Slovenian guy who is a former head coach of the Suns. Terry Stotts might draw some interest, although more likely they will go with someone younger, who can relate well to young guys while also having enough gravitas to command respect. Dwayne Casey might be interested. Kidd would probably have an interest in coming back to Dallas. Barea would like to come back as an assistant. Other names will surface. Nick Nurse, maybe. Or the Pacers coach. 

Might get a players’ coach as HC, and then bring in an assistant or two to do the X’s and O’s.


Many changes coming. 

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Jerry Stackhouse seems like the guy who fits most requirement.
Ex-player, had his experience with the NBA, former Mavs and knows Cuban, 2 times assistant coach, winner of G-League and fairly young (not old at least) as he is almost 47 by the time he starts his 1st season.
The only catch is that he didn't have much success with Vanderbilt, although they were a mess before him.

Coach should be chosen by the GM and, if the GM is a trustworthy person, we should trust whoever he chooses. I think there are many interesting names around. 

A couple of ideas from EU that haven't been mentioned yet - Ettore Messina. Very respected EU coach, ex SA assistant. Sergio Scariolo, Spain national team coach and Nurse assistant, although he just took a job in Italy.

(06-18-2021, 04:51 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ]Jerry Stackhouse seems like the guy who fits most requirement.
Ex-player, had his experience with the NBA, former Mavs and knows Cuban, 2 times assistant coach, winner of G-League and fairly young (not old at least) as he is almost 47 by the time he starts his 1st season.
The only catch is that he didn't have much success with Vanderbilt, although they were a mess before him.

I think any unestablished NBA coach would be too risky a move. Thats why I'm shying away from any assistants that have no head coaching experience and international coaches (though Obradovic certainly makes a compelling case). 

Kidd fulfills all those requirements too, and he has head coaching experience. Though how Kidd left here for NYK and his general snakelike ways might be enough to already disqualify him.

Still can't help but wonder what a basketball mind like Kidd could do to help Luka become a more seasoned floor general.

To me the picture becomes pretty clear.

On one side we had Bob Voulgaris and Bill Duffy (NOT LUKA) and on the other side Donnie Nelson/Rick Carlisle and their established group.

Bob was on an expiring contract. He obviously botched the Green/Bey pick (for now, cause who knows) and Luka likes Donnie. So imho what happens is that Donnie/Carlisle thought they had enough credit with Cuban (botched pick Bob, Luka trust, years of relationship) to sit this season out and then push Bob out of the door at the end, so they can continue in their old happy complacent and unsuccessful ways.

But this time Cuban did not do what he usually does. Instead he went against Donnie and his failed methods/strategies.

Now Carlisle was stranded on an island, where he had no powerful ally, so the interference from Bob (which he hated, but tolerated in anticipation of his firing) was unlikely to go away. Furthermore Carlisle had beef with so many Duffy clients (Rondo, Collison, somebody else was mentioned), and now Duffy suddenly had the upper end in that relationship with Luka and a new GM, who might not protect Carlisle like Donnie did.

I think this is the best solution for everybody involved.