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Realistically all I'm looking for .... Trade Lee's expiring for a vet role wing who can guard Kawhi or George for 10-15 minutes in the playoffs.  Get Jackson's 2020-2021 salary off the books.    Get Luka/KP's best buddy to be cheap warm body big depth.    CHA doesn't get much out of t his, but were just going to buy out Williams after the trade deadline anyway, and maybe just want to take a cheap flier on Jackson. 

(02-05-2020, 01:52 PM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]Realistically all I'm looking for .... Trade Lee's expiring for a vet role wing who can guard Kawhi or George for 10-15 minutes in the playoffs.  Get Jackson's 2020-2021 salary off the books.    Get Luka/KP's best buddy to be cheap warm body big depth.    CHA doesn't get much out of t his, but were just going to buy out Williams after the trade deadline anyway, and maybe just want to take a cheap flier on Jackson. 

Charlotte will need more than that: Tip them a future 2nd rd pick and pay for Jackson's salary next year?

I think there's a big gap btwn how this board views Jackson vs the Mavs. The Mavs believe he is a young asset, vs many on this board seem to think he is a negative asset the Mavs need to try to dump. I don't see Mavs trying to dump him anywhere this year.

You'll have to forgive my skepticism on how highly the Mavs see Jackson when he's losing rotation minutes to Ryan Broekhoff. At 25 years old, he's getting a little long in the tooth for a longterm project.

I´d just like the Mavs to make a plan. If it´s 2021, then we go into asset collection and test drive mode. For example Batum/Monk/Brooklyn 1st round pick (lottery protected) for Lee/THJ/Jackson. Then acquire Aaron Gordon for 17+31. Draft somebody with 20. Just don´t sit around waiting for 2021. Use the 15 months to collect more assets.

Thompson --> WIZ
Lee + Jackson + GSW #2 --> CAVS
Mahinmi + Troy Brown Jr --> MAVS

If I had to bet on what we do, I'd bet we send GS back their pick with Lee, for Burks.

He can playmake, score, hit threes and gives us another body to throw at the Lebron/Kwahi/PG types.

I still think we need center help, but I'm not sure how we add a center and a wing thru trade, with the few assets we have. I wouldn't mind giving someone like Joakim a shot or targetting a Looney/Baynes caliber center

(02-05-2020, 02:43 PM)Baller AI Wrote: [ -> ]If I had to bet on what we do, I'd bet we send GS back their pick with Lee, for Burks

We can give pick, but they wouldn't take Lee

(02-05-2020, 02:45 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2020, 02:43 PM)Baller AI Wrote: [ -> ]If I had to bet on what we do, I'd bet we send GS back their pick with Lee, for Burks

We can give pick, but they wouldn't take Lee

Yep. Would be a good use of the TPE, especially if he sticks here.

Alec Burks can score but don't we need a forward more than a guard? Isn't he more like a big SG?

(02-05-2020, 12:22 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2020, 12:00 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2020, 11:59 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see any kind of Kuzma Dallas/Lakers match. I don't think he is the type of player they are looking for.

We need that third or fourth best guy on a contending team. If the Mavs think he can blossom into that guy with the right coaching, then he definitely fits here.

Offensively he has a high ceiling I think but Mavs need defense at that position and Kuzma is limited in that area. I don't see him as a target really.

But if we get a defensive guy with limited offense then he is more likely on the bench. Kuz or any other skilled offensive guy will get minutes under RC.  We already have WCS anyway for defense who we are trying to integrate.

Even if you can’t get an asset for Lee it’s worth trading him for a guy with one more year on his contract and maybe getting a tip for the “favor”

The salaries of DAJ and Wes are what allowed us to trade for KP (and take THJ).

There’s something to be said for always having expiring trade ballast.

(02-05-2020, 02:58 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Alec Burks can score but don't we need a forward more than a guard? Isn't he more like a big SG?

Hes pretty much a SF positonally. What options do we have tho?

I do not want Iggy at all. That dude gonna leave 100% after the season. 

RHJ: Not sure we have the assets necessary. Would be a great pickup tho.

MKG: could be a good defender but not sureif he improves us more than Burks.

Batum: not sure if he still remembers how to ball. If we can revive his career he could be a great addition.

Marvin Williams: Good shooter, idk much else about him. I think hes an okay defender. Would help us for sure tho.

Morris: Doubt we can outbid anyone for him

Derrick jones jr: we tried to get him in the botched Heat trade, so maybe we still have interest. But with Winslow injuries idk if they want to move him

theres def options i'm not thinking off, but Burks might be the best wing option that is gettable. If we are going off of the recent Mavs philosphy, its safe to assume that anyone we bring in that is not a center, can shoot threes atleast at an acceptable rate

I would like to see the Mavs use one of Lee and the TPE at least to recoup some second round picks. It's always nice to have those to sweeten deals and who knows, maybe one of them turns out to be valuable like the GSW pick

(02-05-2020, 03:12 PM)Baller AI Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2020, 02:58 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Alec Burks can score but don't we need a forward more than a guard? Isn't he more like a big SG?

Hes pretty much a SF positonally. What options do we have tho?

I do not want Iggy at all. That dude gonna leave 100% after the season. 

RHJ: Not sure we have the assets necessary. Would be a great pickup tho.

MKG: could be a good defender but not sureif he improves us more than Burks.

Batum: not sure if he still remembers how to ball. If we can revive his career he could be a great addition.

Morris: Doubt we can outbid anyone for him

Derrick jones jr: we tried to get him in the botched Heat trade, so maybe we still have interest. But with Winslow injuries idk if they want to move him

theres def options i'm not thinking off, but Burks might be the best wing option that is gettable. If we are going off of the recent Mavs philosphy, its safe to assume that anyone we bring in that is not a center, can shoot threes atleast at an acceptable rate

Is Burks good defensively? I guess I don't know that the Mavs would want to give up that GSW pick for a guy that could leave this summer. Not sure they could get him for TPE + a low 2nd. That would be ideal. Pretty sure you could get MKG for next to nothing.

(02-05-2020, 03:13 PM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ]I would like to see the Mavs use one of Lee and the TPE at least to recoup some second round picks. It's always nice to have those to sweeten deals and who knows, maybe one of them turns out to be valuable like the GSW pick

For sure 
Seems like there would be deals available where we take on money for next year and get an asset for our trouble

(02-05-2020, 03:17 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2020, 03:12 PM)Baller AI Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2020, 02:58 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Alec Burks can score but don't we need a forward more than a guard? Isn't he more like a big SG?

Hes pretty much a SF positonally. What options do we have tho?

I do not want Iggy at all. That dude gonna leave 100% after the season. 

RHJ: Not sure we have the assets necessary. Would be a great pickup tho.

MKG: could be a good defender but not sureif he improves us more than Burks.

Batum: not sure if he still remembers how to ball. If we can revive his career he could be a great addition.

Morris: Doubt we can outbid anyone for him

Derrick jones jr: we tried to get him in the botched Heat trade, so maybe we still have interest. But with Winslow injuries idk if they want to move him

theres def options i'm not thinking off, but Burks might be the best wing option that is gettable. If we are going off of the recent Mavs philosphy, its safe to assume that anyone we bring in that is not a center, can shoot threes atleast at an acceptable rate

Is Burks good defensively? I guess I don't know that the Mavs would want to give up that GSW pick for a guy that could leave this summer. Not sure they could get him for TPE + a low 2nd. That would be ideal. Pretty sure you could get MKG for next to nothing.

I'm assuming anyone we bring in thats not a center can shoot threes. MKG can't shoot period. Just based on the rest of our roster I think thats a safe assumption. It does make sense tho, ideally you surround Luka with as many shooters as possible to maximize his playmaking ability

From what i've seen of Burks, hes solid on D. Not amazing, but not bad either. Hes def better at D than Jackson, so he would be an upgrade on that end. He'd also instantly become our 3rd/4th best offensive player. I want him because hes a capable playmaker, moreso than THJ. We need another playamker to play with Luka, unfortunately Brunson is better suited for Lukaless lineups

(02-05-2020, 03:19 PM)Jym Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2020, 03:13 PM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ]I would like to see the Mavs use one of Lee and the TPE at least to recoup some second round picks. It's always nice to have those to sweeten deals and who knows, maybe one of them turns out to be valuable like the GSW pick

For sure
Seems like there would be deals available where we take on money for next year and get an asset for our trouble

This is why, in my view, not making ***any*** deals with the TPE and/or (preferably and!) Lee ought to be cause for pitchforks, if the MBT hadn't already lowered our expectations with last offseason. Have to use those tools to add assets.

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(02-05-2020, 03:20 PM)Baller AI Wrote: [ -> ]I'm assuming anyone we bring in thats not a center can shoot threes. MKG can't shoot period. Just based on the rest of our roster I think thats a safe assumption. It does make sense tho, ideally you surround Luka with as many shooters as possible to maximize his playmaking ability

From what i've seen of Burks, hes solid on D. Not amazing, but not bad either. Hes def better at D than Jackson, so he would be an upgrade on offense and d. He'd instantly become our 3rd/4th best offensive player tho

The Mavs "kicked tires" on MKG. He's bad at offense, but would be an overall upgrade on Justin with his defense.

(02-05-2020, 03:21 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2020, 03:19 PM)Jym Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2020, 03:13 PM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ]I would like to see the Mavs use one of Lee and the TPE at least to recoup some second round picks. It's always nice to have those to sweeten deals and who knows, maybe one of them turns out to be valuable like the GSW pick

For sure
Seems like there would be deals available where we take on money for next year and get an asset for our trouble

This is why, in my view, not making ***any*** deals with the TPE and/or (preferably and!) Lee ought to be cause for pitchforks, if the MBT hadn't already lowered our expectations with last offseason. Have to use those tools to add assets.

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(02-05-2020, 03:20 PM)Baller AI Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2020, 03:17 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2020, 03:12 PM)Baller AI Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2020, 02:58 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Alec Burks can score but don't we need a forward more than a guard? Isn't he more like a big SG?

Hes pretty much a SF positonally. What options do we have tho?

I do not want Iggy at all. That dude gonna leave 100% after the season.

RHJ: Not sure we have the assets necessary. Would be a great pickup tho.

MKG: could be a good defender but not sureif he improves us more than Burks.

Batum: not sure if he still remembers how to ball. If we can revive his career he could be a great addition.

Morris: Doubt we can outbid anyone for him

Derrick jones jr: we tried to get him in the botched Heat trade, so maybe we still have interest. But with Winslow injuries idk if they want to move him

theres def options i'm not thinking off, but Burks might be the best wing option that is gettable. If we are going off of the recent Mavs philosphy, its safe to assume that anyone we bring in that is not a center, can shoot threes atleast at an acceptable rate

Is Burks good defensively? I guess I don't know that the Mavs would want to give up that GSW pick for a guy that could leave this summer. Not sure they could get him for TPE + a low 2nd. That would be ideal. Pretty sure you could get MKG for next to nothing.

I'm assuming anyone we bring in thats not a center can shoot threes. MKG can't shoot period. Just based on the rest of our roster I think thats a safe assumption. It does make sense tho, ideally you surround Luka with as many shooters as possible to maximize his playmaking ability

From what i've seen of Burks, hes solid on D. Not amazing, but not bad either. Hes def better at D than Jackson, so he would be an upgrade on offense and d. He'd instantly become our 3rd/4th best offensive player tho

The Mavs "kicked tires" on MKG. He's bad at offense, but would be an overall upgrade on Justin with his defense.

I'm still a bit shook at how badly we handled the Miami negotiations. Sounds like we weren't even trying to get a first rounder from them. 
We probably could have pried 2 out of them if we tried hard enough

(02-05-2020, 03:19 PM)Jym Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2020, 03:13 PM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ]I would like to see the Mavs use one of Lee and the TPE at least to recoup some second round picks. It's always nice to have those to sweeten deals and who knows, maybe one of them turns out to be valuable like the GSW pick

For sure 
Seems like there would be deals available where we take on money for next year and get an asset for our trouble

Would you take on Waiters, J. Johnson, or Olynyk if they came with second rounder, or even a pick swap? I know they aren't glamorous names but it would give the Mavs another asset and an expiring deal to use next year.