(12-19-2019, 09:00 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Paul monster contract has no interest in the leagu
Like I said, the contract is onerous, which makes it unlikely, but from a basketball standpoint Chris Paul is still a beast who is lightyears better than any point guard the Wolves have deployed since Sam Cassell, Latrell Sprewell and KG took them to the WCF.
(12-19-2019, 09:00 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]No they were not, you were trading Lee for Covington.
Covington slots into the TE. Regardless, doesn't matter.
(12-19-2019, 09:00 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]So let's just do the Lee+THJ for Paul and collect the championship, since it is such a no brainer.
Oh, grasshopper.
(12-19-2019, 09:00 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]It is Lee + 2nd for RoCo, who is certainly worth much more.
Wrong. In this proposal, RoCo is an unfortunate cap casualty. The deal is Paul to the Wolves for a young player, salary relief, a first, and a second.
(12-19-2019, 10:08 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]Wrong. In this proposal, RoCo is an unfortunate cap casualty. The deal is Paul to the Wolves for a young player, salary relief, a first, and a second.
No it is not. In both your proposals you are sending Lee to OKC. So the trade is Lee for Covington and not Covington in TE as you are claiming. OKC would 100 times much rather take Covington instead of Lee+2nd that Dallas is bringing to the table in your proposed trade.
Once again - even if Minny would want Paul, they don't need Dallas to pull the deal as they have plenty expiring contracts themselves. They don't need anyone for salary relief.
(12-19-2019, 10:24 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]ven if Minny would want Paul, they don't need Dallas to pull the deal as they have plenty expiring contracts themselves. They don't need anyone for salary relief.
Follow the money.
A young player (Culver) plus Dieng and Covington (for salary matching) would be in the deal. OKC would also require at least a first ...plus probably another first for taking on Dieng's extra year. They certainly aren't trading Chris Paul and taking on Dieng without draft compensation for both.
So, would the Wolves add two firsts for Paul? Not likely. A first and a second in the fifties? Sure, but would OKC do that? Not likely.
Realistically, there needs to be a third team involved who will take on Dieng or Covington and add something of value to the deal to compensate OKC. Dieng is a negative asset, so not helpful to the deal. Covington does have value though.
What is Covington's value? I'd argue he's worth an expiring and a first. So, could the Thunder find a third team to take on Covington, in exchange for something better than an expiring and GSW second from Dallas? Maybe. Probably. Who knows? What about two seconds from Dallas? Obviously all of this is exceedingly unlikely, which is why Paul's market is quiet. Finding fair value for both parties in a Paul trade is pretty tough.
(12-19-2019, 10:45 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]I'd argue he's worth an expiring and a first.
Does Min want to relieve themselves of his money? I'd say if they were to trade him they would want a player that fits their team now (if that piece is worth RoCo then so be it, if not then make up for it with picks) as it seems their great start (that has cooled down quite a bit) would encourage them to swing for the fences. Just my outsider's view.
(12-19-2019, 11:25 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Does Min want to relieve themselves of his money?
No. I think RoCo is valued in Minnesota. The whole point - the only reason he's in the deal - is for salary matching. In other words, in my scenario, he's a cap casualty who is only being traded to facilitate upgrading their point guard to Chris Paul.
Look, I love RoCo. He's a fine player. But he's a
role player. Some people here seems to treat him like a star. He's not. Chris Paul is a star. He's the future HoF'er. If this trade were to go down the headline would be
Chris Paul to the Wolves! Covington would be but a footnote.
Would the Mavs lend a hand to the deal in order to get Covington? I would, for sure. But maybe some other teams would as well. I haven't looked to see which contenders have an expiring that fits and decent draft assets to deal.
For the Wolves, they'd surely hate to lose Covington. But Chris Paul, Wiggins and KAT is a playoff team who can make some noise. In fact, I think it's a little scary to think what that team could be with a competent floor general. KAT is a legit MVP-caliber player and Wiggins is a straight-up bucket getter.
Paul > Cassell
Wiggins = Spreewell
KAT = KG
Choke a Coach > Maple Jordan
Lol the Wolves would give up Covington and take on CP3s deal? No way. Sam Presti would immediately ascend to heaven as the greatest GM of all time. If the Wolves want to send some garbage short term deals like Dieng and Teague that would still do OKC a big favor by letting them off of his money. Paul is a good player but also older with a ton of money owed on his deal. Zero chance Wolves give up anything good to get him.
(12-19-2019, 08:02 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]the Wolves would give up Covington and take on CP3s deal?
You’re right Jay. Covington is so good he’s leading the Wolves with an MVP candidate and a wing who’s averaging 25 a game to 11th in the West and only six games below .500. No way the Wolves trade a super-role player for a HoF point guard. I mean Chris Paul is already in his 30s, like ancient. He has kids and stuff already. Lolz. Imagine the insanity of trading Super-Role Covington for an old DAD!!!
Montrez Harrell making 6 million this year. Next year he is a Free Agent, whats it gonna take to pry him from LA?
Would he even leave LA? Seems to me like the dude would stay in LA for 10Mil/Yr kind of deal. And Doc Rivers is there - ya'll know what's gonna happen.
(12-19-2019, 11:36 PM)iolide Wrote: [ -> ]Montrez Harrell making 6 million this year. Next year he is a Free Agent, whats it gonna take to pry him from LA?
Would he even leave LA? Seems to me like the dude would stay in LA for 10Mil/Yr kind of deal. And Doc Rivers is there - ya'll know what's gonna happen.
$12M gets the job done, maybe even a little less. Ah nah that was when our suckers went for DA Washed-Up instead.
Probably $18-24M. Big man markets always difficult to predict.
(12-20-2019, 01:23 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2019, 11:36 PM)iolide Wrote: [ -> ]Montrez Harrell making 6 million this year. Next year he is a Free Agent, whats it gonna take to pry him from LA?
Would he even leave LA? Seems to me like the dude would stay in LA for 10Mil/Yr kind of deal. And Doc Rivers is there - ya'll know what's gonna happen.
$12M gets the job done, maybe even a little less. Ah nah that was when our suckers went for DA Washed-Up instead.
Probably $18-24M. Big man markets always difficult to predict.
Harrell>>>>>>Powell, and yet it wouldn't make much sense to have both on the roster. I'd throw 4 year 65 mill deal at him and look to trade Powell.
Mavs: Dieng, draft compensation
GSW: Covington, Lee, Okogie, draft compensation
Minny: Russell, Burks or something else from GSW
Minny gets their star and KAT buddy. GSW gets 2 excellent defenders and a bit of salary relief. Mavs get draft compensation for their help, another 6 fouls below the rim and a big salary filler for next season trade.
(12-20-2019, 11:26 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs: Dieng, draft compensation
GSW: Covington, Lee, Okogie, draft compensation
Minny: Russell, Burks or something else from GSW
I like this idea. Simple Lee for a banger to play the first 6-7 minutes of each half. Not too disruptive to Mavs chemistry. Could the Mavs get a 1st for the trouble?
Dieng recently had to be restrained by Josh Okogie on the sideline as he expressed his frustration with being pulled from the game so he may be fed up with losing.
(12-20-2019, 11:31 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2019, 11:26 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs: Dieng, draft compensation
GSW: Covington, Lee, Okogie, draft compensation
Minny: Russell, Burks or something else from GSW
I like this idea. Simple Lee for a banger to play the first 6-7 minutes of each half. Not too disruptive to Mavs chemistry.
Dieng recently had to be restrained by Josh Okogie on the sideline as he expressed his frustration with being pulled from the game so he may be fed up with losing.
Dieng is one of the last bad contracts left that is not expiring yet.
Batum is second but even Charlotte is probably not stupid enough to give away picks while rebuilding.
Sacramento made some "smart" offseason moves as Ariza, Dedmon, Joseph are all way overpaid while playing like minimum salary guys.
Miami has a bunch of bad contracts (Waiters, Johnson) but will probably look only for a trade that makes them better, as they don't have assets to dump guys.
Brooklyn made a real braniac move by signing that clown DAJ for 4 years, but I wouldn't want anything with that contract.
Utah has Exum but will also look for an upgrade, not just to dump him.
Chicago has Felicio but they will most likely just let him expire in 2 seasons.
Detroit has Snell but I don't see them throwing away picks.
(12-20-2019, 11:48 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Dieng is one of the last bad contracts left that is not expiring yet.
Love the creative approach. Mavs take on money & get a useful player plus a pick for Lee. Dieng's deal could be useful at next year's deadline when the Mavs may have a bit a playoff experience and are ready to really contend.
Could Mavs get a first?
(12-20-2019, 11:57 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2019, 11:48 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Dieng is one of the last bad contracts left that is not expiring yet.
Love the creative approach. Mavs take on money & get a useful player plus a pick for Lee. Dieng's deal could be useful at next year's deadline when the Mavs may have a bit a playoff experience and are ready to really contend.
Could Mavs get a first?
The price for taking such a contract is certainly a first. They could do GSW deal without Dallas, but GSW might reject taking Dieng. So here is a solution. But some other teams might also jump in even with more valuable expiring contracts. Charlotte for example (Marvin Williams), Miami (Leonard),...
Looking at straight up Lee for Dieng there is a question, if Minny is really so desperate for moving him to have cap space in the summer (and save 16 mil). Same as above, some other teams might also jump in.
(12-20-2019, 01:14 PM)LukstapsPorzingic Wrote: [ -> ]One thing to keep in mind is that Lee is a great locker room presence. I've heard Luka on several occasions talk about "C Lee" being one of the team's leaders.
From a basketball perspective it makes sense to move him for anyone that could crack the rotation, but if they don't want to mess with chemistry, they may hang onto Lee unless there is a home run deal.
Sure. But being buddy buddy doesn't win championships and Luka understands that and I am sure he will support any trade that benefits the team. I think we can all agree this team still needs some upgrades before they can become a serious contender.
If Lee is such a great guy they can hire him as assistan coach or something after this season
(12-19-2019, 08:02 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Lol the Wolves would give up Covington and take on CP3s deal?
Great piece on Chris Paul by Zack Lowe today. Id really hate to see what Paul could do with that Wolves squad. They could be dangerous. Adding Paul would be a win now move for the Wolves for sure. But if not now,
when? It's not like their stars aren't ready to win. KAT is in his
fifth year; Wiggins in his
sixth! They need to be in the playoffs this year, and build from there. There's not a team that could turn it around faster than the Wolves with a top flight point guard like Chris Paul.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2831...g-question
(12-20-2019, 11:57 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2019, 11:48 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Dieng is one of the last bad contracts left that is not expiring yet.
Love the creative approach. Mavs take on money & get a useful player plus a pick for Lee. Dieng's deal could be useful at next year's deadline when the Mavs may have a bit a playoff experience and are ready to really contend.
Could Mavs get a first?
Dieng for Lee + a protected 1 would be a good deal. Mavs would shore up bigs and get an asset. Mavs big rotation is too thin considering Boban is a bit player. It's going to hurt us that Boban can't play on certain matchups even if one of our other bigs is in foul trouble.
I like this Dieng idea a lot. Adds depth and for that type of dump a late 1 is the going rate. Wolves would lotto protect the picks. Mavs would enter the summer with 2 1s, the GSW pick and 2 big expiring contracts. That could be significant in the trade market.