(11-06-2019, 12:15 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Crowder hates Carlisle. This is not happening as long as he is the headcoach.
Oh, really? Where did you hear this?
(11-06-2019, 12:15 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Crowder hates Carlisle. This is not happening as long as he is the headcoach.
Just read this article from Dwain Price at the FW Star Telegram from Feb 2017
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nba...28949.html
Some excerpts:
Looking back, Jae Crowder thought he was going to be a member of the Dallas Mavericks for a long, long time.
“Yeah, I want to get a win, for sure,’’ Crowder said. “It’s always fun to be back, but it’s nothing like getting a win."
“He was a terrific young player when we had him,’’ Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle said. “We were all very sorry to see him go, but the rise in his career is certainly no surprise to any of us.’’
Carlisle describes Crowder as a player who gave his team “toughness, play-making ability, defense, shot-making,’’ and was sort of a renaissance man.
“He’s one of those rare wing men who can do a little bit of everything,’’ Carlisle said. “He was actually one of our backup point guards if we had gotten into a real pinch at the point position.
“He’s done great, he’s a big part of who they are as a team and we wish him the best.’’
“I always (like) coming to this place where they gave me a chance first,’’ Crowder said. “Good energy, a lot of familiar faces that I know, good people, good friends, so it’s good to be back.’’
“He gave us two-and-a-half, three years, of really hard basketball,’’ Carlisle said. “Everybody here loved him, our fans, everybody in the organization.
“He’s a terrific kid.’’
I didn't see any bitterness at all in that article. I know he expressed his unhappiness when here about being in RC's "doghouse", but that doesn't mean he's irreparably damaged as far as the organization and RC goes.
Besides, he and AI have 1 year left on their contracts, they would be really good vet wings to help this team win in the reg season as well as the playoffs. Although, I'd put AI on a minutes restriction so he was fully ready to play heavier minutes in the playoffs.
(11-06-2019, 12:28 PM)embellisher Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2019, 12:15 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Crowder hates Carlisle. This is not happening as long as he is the headcoach.
Oh, really? Where did you hear this?
When he left.
He went to Carlisle behind closed doors, because he wanted to know why he didn´t get minutes anymore (regression from rookie to 2nd to 3rd season) and what he had to do to change it. Carlisle told him that´s just the way it is.
So this is just very unlikely to happen. Crowder is also not what we need imho. DFS already has a smilar role on our team. Plus I doubt Crowder would be happy to go back to catch and shoot corner 3s. He (rightly or wrongly) has a higher opinion of himself as an offensive contributor.
(11-06-2019, 12:40 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]He went to Carlisle behind closed doors, because he wanted to know why he didn´t get minutes anymore (regression from rookie to 2nd to 3rd season) and what he had to do to change it. Carlisle told him that´s just the way it is.
Methinks he doth not know what "behind closed doors" meaneth.
(11-06-2019, 12:45 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2019, 12:40 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]He went to Carlisle behind closed doors, because he wanted to know why he didn´t get minutes anymore (regression from rookie to 2nd to 3rd season) and what he had to do to change it. Carlisle told him that´s just the way it is.
Methinks he doth not know what "behind closed doors" meaneth.
Well at least he didn´t tell somebody that he would come off the bench via an opening day media press conference.
The past is the past. Just saying this is unlikely to happen.
(11-06-2019, 12:15 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Crowder hates Carlisle. This is not happening as long as he is the headcoach.
LOL, with this post I just realized that Mavs2012 is here
We might see the Hernangomez Brothers in Dallas in case Luka requests some friends to be there.
(11-06-2019, 01:00 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2019, 12:15 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Crowder hates Carlisle. This is not happening as long as he is the headcoach.
LOL, with this post I just realized that Mavs2012 is here
Yeah, I already had my suspicions a few weeks ago.
Hold up, what's wrong with Tony Snell?
His contract will run out by summer 2021 when the stars realign. And if [hypothetically] all you have to do is get rid of C. Lee, why not do it? Adding to our wing depth is paramount imo. He is a legit 3PT shooter (career 38%), and plus defender with a 7-ft wingspan.
He's like a bigger version of Patrick Beverly, who everyone went goo-goo-ga-ga over this past summer. DFS is a better rebounder but that's it. Not saying he's a starter but having another guy besides DFS or Luka to throw at the LeBron's or Kawhi's of the world would be ideal.
2020 free agent class blows so I don't see the point of having space, especially when our assets are also bare; as a result, we'd likely be outbid for expiring players on the trade block.
I'm all for adding overpaid but useful players as long as they come off the books by 2021.
(11-06-2019, 04:26 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm all for adding overpaid but useful players as long as they come off the books by 2021.
Ahhhh, 2021, the next overhyped/overanticipated FA failure year.
(11-06-2019, 04:43 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2019, 04:26 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm all for adding overpaid but useful players as long as they come off the books by 2021.
Ahhhh, 2021, the next overhyped/overanticipated FA failure year.
I think 2021 is going to go much differently for the Mavs than 2019 did if Luka is locked in to stay here, which I presume he will be. As one of the national commentators in the Luka thread noted, no one expected him to be this much better this year. The MBT's failures in attracting the top FAs this summer had a lot to do with Luka and KP being unproven.
(10-28-2019, 04:19 PM)Mavericks321 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2019, 04:13 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I'm in the "no trade til we see what we have" camp
I agree. As is if we stay healthy we are going to win a lot of games and make the playoffs too. I mean we have two guys under 23 that can each get 30 a night. Wait until the deadline.
(10-28-2019, 04:18 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2019, 04:02 PM)Mavericks321 Wrote: [ -> ]We should have signed Dwight Howard. He is acting and playing like he knows he has one more shot and I do not believe that ego is there anymore looks like hes just having fun.
lol, no ego? DH just said he could go get 30-30 if that’s what the coach wanted him to do.
Well he should be confident. I just mean his attitude in general. Watching highlights it seems just about all his teammates like him. And at this point in his career I think he just wants to have fun and win. He hasn't really been considered what he was for about 4 years now.
Howard would probably not work in this team. Lakers with LeBron being there is perfect for him.
(11-06-2019, 04:43 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Ahhhh, 2021, the next overhyped/overanticipated FA failure year.
You still think 2019 was a failure even though Delon, Seth, and Bobi look like great additions, and the team is already playing better than we expected?
(11-06-2019, 04:55 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2019, 04:43 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Ahhhh, 2021, the next overhyped/overanticipated FA failure year.
You still think 2019 was a failure even though Delon, Seth, and Bobi look like great additions, and the team is already playing better than we expected?
I quote myself in reaction to your similar reaction in the tampering thread:
"I would consider the Mavs' offseason to be... incomplete. I was not aware that they still had a good chunk of the Barnes trade exception. I thought that all went away when they used any of their cap room to sign FAs. Evidently not. I thought their big error, short of convincing someone like Kemba to come here (I'll bet that if they knew how good Luka was going to be this year that more of the top guys would have considered us), was the failure to use the rest of their cap room to sign another player of that Curry/Wright/Boban tier who could have helped us. The Mavs still don't have a competent starting wing, for example, as many have pointed out, and we could use a fifth big who is more of a lay-the-lumber type a la Favors to supplement KP, Maxi, Powell, and Bobi. If the Mavs make good use of the trade exception, which we all presumed was gone, then the offseason, including the great bargain contracts for Maxi and Dodo, becomes an A, and would have been an A+ if we hadn't overpaid Powell in retaining him. Powell is a useful piece for the Mavs, but has negative trade value at that contract price."
(11-06-2019, 04:55 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2019, 04:43 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Ahhhh, 2021, the next overhyped/overanticipated FA failure year.
You still think 2019 was a failure even though Delon, Seth, and Bobi look like great additions, and the team is already playing better than we expected?
Failure is a bit strong but yes I do. (or incomplete like the above poster said)
You can add MLE level players every offseason. Mavs had $30 million in cap space and the most impact player(s) they added cost less than $10 million. If this group advances to the second round of the playoffs, I will admit i was wrong.
The good thing is that you have decent contracts that can turn into trade chips if another trade presents itself in the future. We'll see what happens. I dunno what names might become available. I'd take Malcolm Brogdon over CP3, Kevin Love, Aldridge type names.
(11-06-2019, 04:43 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2019, 04:26 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm all for adding overpaid but useful players as long as they come off the books by 2021.
Ahhhh, 2021, the next overhyped/overanticipated FA failure year.
I mean that's virtually every year. But I am not hyping up superstars coming to Dallas. I'm looking at role players like OPJ, Oubre, Conley, Adams, etc. We can even poke around the RFA market with guys like Z. Collins, OG, Isaac, Monk, etc. The MBT could also position themselves in trades for expiring players like Winslow, G. Harris, A. Gordon, etc.
I'm thinking medium sized splashes, which is fairly realistic since as Scott said, we should be way more attractive by then. Although he's been a pleasant surprise this year, we should do a lot better than Delon Wright.
(11-06-2019, 04:55 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2019, 04:43 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Ahhhh, 2021, the next overhyped/overanticipated FA failure year.
You still think 2019 was a failure even though Delon, Seth, and Bobi look like great additions, and the team is already playing better than we expected?
Delon doesn't want to start, Curry isn't a starter, Bobi isn't a starter. We needed 3 starters and should have gotten at least 2. Delon could figure it out, and show he's possibly 1. I don't think the other 2 will, except for out of desperation and/or no other better choices. There were lots of starting material guys out there, so yes, I think the biggest FA class the league has ever seen producing 3 non-starters to this point is a failure.
The team playing better than expected is besides the point of upgrading your talent in the offseason.
(11-06-2019, 05:01 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]If this group advances to the second round of the playoffs, I will admit i was wrong.
Why? If they add better talent in the offseason, maybe they get to the 3rd round?
(11-06-2019, 05:03 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]I mean that's virtually every year. But I am not hyping up superstars coming to Dallas. I'm looking at role players like OPJ, Oubre, Conley, Adams, etc. We can even poke around the RFA market with guys like Z. Collins, OG, Monk, etc. The MBT could also position themselves in trades for expiring players like Winslow, G. Harris, A. Gordon, etc.
I'm thinking medium sized splashes, which is fairly realistic since as Scott said, we should be way more attractive by then. Although he's been a pleasant surprise this year, we should do a lot better than Delon Wright.
Remains to be seen, and I'm skeptical given their very long track record. Even if we get them, is it because of a money whip like in years past
making it impossible to get 2 instead of just 1 or good negotiating and sales pitch?
(11-06-2019, 05:01 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]Failure is a bit strong but yes I do.
You can add MLE level players every offseason. Mavs had $30 million in cap space and the most impact player(s) they added cost less than $10 million.
In hindsight it looks like their plan was Kemba and Danny Green first, and then Delon, Seth and Bobi (or guys in that range) if they missed on Kemba and Green.
Do you think they failed because they missed on Kemba and Green? Do you think they failed because it looks like they didn't prioritize Brogdon and Pat Bev?
"Failed" is so binary, so it's hard for me to use that term, especially with Delon and Seth looking like great additions. This is a hard one for me to sort out, but here are some ramblings:
Things that didn't go how they wanted: Missed on Kemba and Greeen.
Things that didn't go how we (I) wanted: Seems like they didn't try on Brogdon and Pat Bev
The reason for missing out on players and/or not targeting players should be considered, in my mind. Danny prioritized playing with LeBron and AD over playing with the Mavs. Kemba went to a flagship franchise to run the show where a supporting cast was already in place. It's hard for me to call those failures because the choices of each player make sense. With Luka's current trajectory the Mavs may become a team that guys like Danny would pick, whereas someone like Kemba may be happier being able to run the show rather than be a secondary ball handler.
I took points off the off-season score for not targeting Brogdon and Pat Bev, but I don't know the Mavs' reasons for not doing so. So it's hard to evaluate.
And then, I'm happy with how they recovered. I think we have a stable of young, improving players on good contracts. And the team is exceeding our expectations.
Those are my thoughts, and I don't really know how to grade the off-season based on them.
EDIT: After I quoted you, you edited your post to be something that I pretty much buy.
(11-06-2019, 05:06 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Delon doesn't want to start, Curry isn't a starter, Bobi isn't a starter. We needed 3 starters and should have gotten at least 2. Delon could figure it out, and show he's possibly 1. I don't think the other 2 will, except for out of desperation and/or no other better choices. There were lots of starting material guys out there, so yes, I think the biggest FA class the league has ever seen producing 3 non-starters to this point is a failure.
The team playing better than expected is besides the point of upgrading your talent in the offseason.
My thoughts:
- I can't agree with saying that "how the team is playing beside the point".
- You're creating the rubric (regardless of how it jives with the team's plans) and then grading the team based on it, which is a bit arbitrary, but it's what fans do.
- Delon has delivered starter quality play. Seth has shown starter quality skill. I think the Mavs already viewed Powell and DFS as starter quality. Whether Delon and Seth are starters in name, or not, depends at this point on what needs to happen in order to create the most productive lineups for the team. Player minutes in the 20's and larger rotations are a trend that facilitates the trend of playing at a faster pace. Some teams are constructed in a way where "starter" is way less meaningful than it used to be.
(11-06-2019, 04:55 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]You still think 2019 was a failure even though Delon, Seth, and Bobi look like great additions, and the team is already playing better than we expected?
Yes :-) We could spend another 20 million or so for a 3-D wing, which would make us even better. For me that was a wasted opportunity