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Woj also specifically mentions Boston, Portland, and Denver as the most interested suitors.
If Denver manages to flip Milsap for Love, what a turnaround that'd be for them. Portland is struggling, they don't have much in the way of assets, but in terms of pure offensive firepower, Dame, CJ, Mel00, and Love is a SCARY lineup. Boston would be an interesting place as well considering they don't have the best center rotation.
I wonder how Love would fit here in Dallas.
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Woj also specifically mentions Boston, Portland, and Denver as the most interested suitors.
If Denver manages to flip Milsap for Love, what a turnaround that'd be for them. Portland is struggling, they don't have much in the way of assets, but in terms of pure offensive firepower, Dame, CJ, Mel00, and Love is a SCARY lineup. Boston would be an interesting place as well considering they don't have the best center rotation.
I wonder how Love would fit here in Dallas.
Can he still shoot 3s and offensive rebound, and pass? Anyone that creates space, can move the ball and increase possessions can help Dallas.
I've thought that Covington might not be available because Minny is fighting for a playoff spot, but with how bad their bench and PG situation is I wonder.
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(12-06-2019, 11:07 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ][img]
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Woj also specifically mentions Boston, Portland, and Denver as the most interested suitors.
If Denver manages to flip Milsap for Love, what a turnaround that'd be for them. Portland is struggling, they don't have much in the way of assets, but in terms of pure offensive firepower, Dame, CJ, Mel00, and Love is a SCARY lineup. Boston would be an interesting place as well considering they don't have the best center rotation.
I wonder how Love would fit here in Dallas.
I don't see Denver making this move. They kind of need to have Milsap's money come off the books so that they can keep their team together as they start having a lot of money coming up. I think Murray's extension kicks in and they have a couple of FA's. I thought they said that they liked Grant as a long term replacement for milsap and Porter jr is going to need a spot eventually. Would be a big move for them.
Boston surprised me on this list. Do they trade Hayward? Don't know how they match otherwise.
Portland makes a ton of sense. I see that actually happening for Bazemore's expiring and zach collins. Portland gets love for its win now time frame, and collins is out for the season (or 4 months if he gets back for playoffs), but CLE gets him long term - with a team going nowhere, That seems like a win. Maybe some draft capital? Either way, that seems like a more suitable match. Portland becomes pretty lethal on offense, and just amazingly bad on D. Love and Carmello as your forwards? With Whiteside at C? Wow. That would be gutsy. They better score 130 a game.
I'm not sure I'd flip Millsap for Love if I'm Denver. I don't think you could make the salaries work, but I'd love to be a 3rd team in that trade and get Millsap here for a playoff push.
Denver could center the trade around Jerami Grant and Plumlee. Throw in MPJ and a pick.
(12-06-2019, 11:39 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure I'd flip Millsap for Love if I'm Denver. I don't think you could make the salaries work, but I'd love to be a 3rd team in that trade and get Millsap here for a playoff push.
I agree from Denver's POV. And Milsap would be nice. Always a fan of his game. Would certainly push KP to the 5. (Milsap is 6'7'' which is not as big as you think of him being!) He also isn't the rim runner that Powell is, so fit is an issue. I would have to think on it. Hard to say no, but there is some hesitation.
I like how our roster meshes pretty well together right now.
I think there are a few obvious holes/areas we could improve. Ideally they fix those holes and keep the nice mesh together.
DFS Upgrade. He's been playing his role but he just doesn't cut it. He's not elite enough has a defender and does nothing of note on offense other than hustle. That's your starting forward spot to negate the big forward scorers.
Someone to cut to/attack the basket. Mavs still have too big of a reliance on shooting for my liking.
The way I see it is that the trade pieces you have are Lee (salary matching only), Brunson, Warriors pick (lol who knew?).
Jackson has some value too but it's a narrow window to keep from disrupting the bench by trading pieces for improvement and then actually making the team worse. Are there other tradable pieces? I think so. And they could be dealt in the right deals but I think they will be incredibly deal specific.
ROCO remains at the top of the wish list. He fixes the DFS upgrade on both ends of the floor and provides that third consistent scoring option, although perhaps at a lower level then you would like. That works on this team tho with the 10 guys we have averaging 8 mpg or more. (rounded up)
The other name I'm very interested in to see what happens with is Blake Griffin. He continues to be a terrible fit with Drummond, the pistons are bad again and appear worse than the last few years. Contract isn't great either. If you like the dynamic Powell brings, he theoretically could be a nice upgrade over him. I still think his price will be fairly modest when they finally decide to trade him. Whether that remains plausible for the Mavs to get in on... We shall see if it happens. ROCO is more realistic and more helpful IMO.
And with that....
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(12-07-2019, 02:17 AM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]ROCO remains at the top of the wish list. He fixes the DFS upgrade on both ends of the floor and provides that third consistent scoring option, although perhaps at a lower level then you would like. That works on this team tho with the 10 guys we have averaging 8 mpg or more. (rounded up)
Sadly the Mavs missed the Wiggins + RoCo window. Wiggins figured out how to play in the modern NBA. Career low in midrange attempts. Career high 3PAr. Averaging 25/5/3 + 1.3 blks.
(12-07-2019, 02:17 AM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]I like how our roster meshes pretty well together right now.
I think there are a few obvious holes/areas we could improve. Ideally they fix those holes and keep the nice mesh together.
DFS Upgrade. He's been playing his role but he just doesn't cut it. He's not elite enough has a defender and does nothing of note on offense other than hustle. That's your starting forward spot to negate the big forward scorers.
Someone to cut to/attack the basket. Mavs still have too big of a reliance on shooting for my liking.
The way I see it is that the trade pieces you have are Lee (salary matching only), Brunson, Warriors pick (lol who knew?).
Jackson has some value too but it's a narrow window to keep from disrupting the bench by trading pieces for improvement and then actually making the team worse. Are there other tradable pieces? I think so. And they could be dealt in the right deals but I think they will be incredibly deal specific.
ROCO remains at the top of the wish list. He fixes the DFS upgrade on both ends of the floor and provides that third consistent scoring option, although perhaps at a lower level then you would like. That works on this team tho with the 10 guys we have averaging 8 mpg or more. (rounded up)
The other name I'm very interested in to see what happens with is Blake Griffin. He continues to be a terrible fit with Drummond, the pistons are bad again and appear worse than the last few years. Contract isn't great either. If you like the dynamic Powell brings, he theoretically could be a nice upgrade over him. I still think his price will be fairly modest when they finally decide to trade him. Whether that remains plausible for the Mavs to get in on... We shall see if it happens. ROCO is more realistic and more helpful IMO.
Like the targets. Hate the dumps. DFS is exactly what we need more of. Don’t swap him out for a guy that will mostly play 4 for Carlisle. He’s defending 1s and 2s for us much of the time.
And the failure to appreciate Jalen on this board astounds me. Do. Not. Trade. For Beal? Sure. For Griffin? No way.
RoCo is a wing, he just plays PF for Minny because they don't have any good PFs.
I'm not just saying this because we're winning but I'll ride with this roster for a full season. And that includes THJ and Powell. They all seem to like each other and have bought into the system.
Let's give them a chance. And Luka seems like someone who doesn't like seeing a teammate get traded. Gotta keep him happy.
One thing we need to think about is that the Mavs will not and should not add too much salary headed into 2021 free agency. While it's been a running joke how pathetic Mavs have been landing stars Mavs will finally be a very attractive destination. You have Luka and KP anchoring the team with potentially multiple strong playoff performances. If Mavs can clear a Max spot it's not impossible they could attract even the biggest of fish...Giannis.
(12-07-2019, 01:41 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ] (12-07-2019, 02:17 AM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]I like how our roster meshes pretty well together right now.
I think there are a few obvious holes/areas we could improve. Ideally they fix those holes and keep the nice mesh together.
DFS Upgrade. He's been playing his role but he just doesn't cut it. He's not elite enough has a defender and does nothing of note on offense other than hustle. That's your starting forward spot to negate the big forward scorers.
Someone to cut to/attack the basket. Mavs still have too big of a reliance on shooting for my liking.
The way I see it is that the trade pieces you have are Lee (salary matching only), Brunson, Warriors pick (lol who knew?).
Jackson has some value too but it's a narrow window to keep from disrupting the bench by trading pieces for improvement and then actually making the team worse. Are there other tradable pieces? I think so. And they could be dealt in the right deals but I think they will be incredibly deal specific.
ROCO remains at the top of the wish list. He fixes the DFS upgrade on both ends of the floor and provides that third consistent scoring option, although perhaps at a lower level then you would like. That works on this team tho with the 10 guys we have averaging 8 mpg or more. (rounded up)
The other name I'm very interested in to see what happens with is Blake Griffin. He continues to be a terrible fit with Drummond, the pistons are bad again and appear worse than the last few years. Contract isn't great either. If you like the dynamic Powell brings, he theoretically could be a nice upgrade over him. I still think his price will be fairly modest when they finally decide to trade him. Whether that remains plausible for the Mavs to get in on... We shall see if it happens. ROCO is more realistic and more helpful IMO.
Like the targets. Hate the dumps. DFS is exactly what we need more of. Don’t swap him out for a guy that will mostly play 4 for Carlisle. He’s defending 1s and 2s for us much of the time.
And the failure to appreciate Jalen on this board astounds me. Do. Not. Trade. For Beal? Sure. For Griffin? No way.
Its not that I hate Jalen. It's that I prefer what Wright brings more. They are both fairly young.Brunson has some solid value. We don't have a lot of tradeable pieces that have value. I don't think Brunson is a major factor on this teams success. I think JJ can fill his reserve role well enough to get an upgrade elsewhere.
DFS is solid at what he does but is not elite. Yeah we need what he brings, but if you have someone upgrading those skills, hes completely expendable.
If I can get a major upgrade at the forward spot for Brunson, DFS, and even the Warriors pick, I'm doing it. And I'm not really all that worried about the loss of those guys for the major upgrade piece.
It remains to be seen fi you can even get a player like ROCO for any type of package around those items. Probably not. But that's still the type of deal I'm looking for.
Can't make this stuff up.
I remember a year ago DSJ was untouchable and considered a future superstar for showing China league level play on the court. Brunson is already thrice the player he ever will be but we gotta trade him, he's not a major factor?
Yeah, when the head coach only has 4 useless mins to give him, it's fairly easy to not have an impact. He simply needs minutes, and when he gets them, he has proven to deliver like last season.
This season, in only 9 games, when Brunson plays at least 18 mins or more, he's shooting 62% from the field, and 46% from three. He averages 12 ppg, 3 apg, and 4 rpg.
He is only 23 years old; his ceiling is much higher than Delon, Seth, and Barea. It would be an ass backwards move if the MBT trade him before any of those guys. And I like them all but c'mon, we need to hold onto young assets and develop them for once.
Sure, I'd do it for the right player but don't think that player exists when Carlisle has tanked his value to DNP status.
I like how deep Dallas is but at some point it may be worthwhile consolidating a few assets into 1 starter level SG, SF or C.
Having Brunson, Curry, JJ and Wright on the bench is a waste.
You can't give them all the minutes they deserve.
Lee, Jackson and Curry + some 2nd rd picks for Adams would be nice
(12-08-2019, 08:04 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]If I can get a major upgrade at the forward spot for Brunson, DFS, and even the Warriors pick, I'm doing it. And I'm not really all that worried about the loss of those guys for the major upgrade piece.
It remains to be seen fi you can even get a player like ROCO for any type of package around those items. Probably not. But that's still the type of deal I'm looking for.
I don't see the Wolves needing a G or F. They seem to need a bigger dude. If they were to entertain a trade with us I see Powell or Kleber as their main want. Neither of those guys is enough value for RoCo either seeing as though his play is above that of his contract. The trade would be something like Dieng and RoCo for Powell, JJ and Lee. We then turn around and trade Wright and THJ for OPJ and Felicio or Dunn.
10 man Rotation:
Luka
OPJ
RoCo
KP
Kleber
JB
JJB
Curry
DFS
Dieng
(12-08-2019, 10:02 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]Can't make this stuff up.
I remember a year ago DSJ was untouchable and considered a future superstar for showing China league level play on the court. Brunson is already thrice the player he ever will be but we gotta trade him, he's not a major factor?
Yeah, when the head coach only has 4 useless mins to give him, it's fairly easy to not have an impact. He simply needs minutes, and when he gets them, he has proven to deliver like last season.
This season, in only 9 games, when Brunson plays at least 18 mins or more, he's shooting 62% from the field, and 46% from three. He averages 12 ppg, 3 apg, and 4 rpg.
He is only 23 years old; his ceiling is much higher than Delon, Seth, and Barea. It would be an ass backwards move if the MBT trade him before any of those guys. And I like them all but c'mon, we need to hold onto young assets and develop them for once.
Sure, I'd do it for the right player but don't think that player exists when Carlisle has tanked his value to DNP status.
I'm not saying Brunson isn't a dang good player. I like him a lot as a player. But the reality is that he's expendable on this team now. You have Wright for defense, penetration and secondary playmaking and you have Curry for shooting and the occasional secondary playmaking. the issue with Brunson is that he's not specialized enough to get long run in situational basketball off the bench and the current starting lineup has produced results so it's hard for him to get there.
I'm not saying dump the guy. I'm saying he's got value and because his lack of proper usage for his talent, he's expendable and could help us get talent elsewhere. I believe he'll continue to get better as well. But if you get a get a long term piece to help you more now and later, he's at a position we can afford to lose his production from. He's had his games where hes been great but most nights he's not been a factor. That's not even on his play really even, but the fact we have guys that just fit what we have needed better.
Just to be clear, I'm not trading Brunson for just anyone or a short term fix like Iguodala or something.
I've read that TOR has set Tristan Thompson as their main target. That means Gasol and Ibaka are available. What would you guys think of us getting one of them to start for the next 6 months?
DAL: Gasol or Ibaka.
CLE: Lee, Curry, One prospect from TOR (Johnson/Boucher/Miller/Davis/Thomas) and 2020 TOR 1st.
TOR: Thompson, Henson.
TOR gets TT to pair with Siakam (great fit). CLE gets a good haul for an expiring player (Pick, young asset and a little cap relief). DAL gets a starter to pair with KP for almost nothing (considering we are loaded at guards).
Doncic/THJ/DFS/KP/Ibaka or Gasol
Wright/Brunson/Jackson/Kleber/Powell
(12-09-2019, 07:31 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]I've read that TOR has set Tristan Thompson as their main target.
I sincerely doubt TT is better than Gasol or Ibaka. Certainly not worth Gasol or Ibaka plus a youngster plus a first round pick. Even if I was wrong about the above, they absolutely don't need Dallas to make it happen. Ibaka for TT and Henson is a salary relief on its own.
Not sure if this has been shared here yet but I thought it was curious (and bold) that Skin said on the broadcast last night that he expected Andre Iguodala to be moved in the next week or so. I have figured he would get moved at the TDL but it would certainly be newsy and interesting if he got moved sooner. It's possible that the Portland injuries have sped up the timing on Iguodala. I imagine they are pushing to Iggy or Love or some other kind of impact move to get them back into the playoffs race. Love certainly would do that, Iggy might not be a big enough move perhaps. But it might be a situation where they are making an offer right now which means Dallas is on the clock to beat that deal should Memphis be willing to pull the trigger.