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Where do this writers constantly get the ideas, that we are looking for a center. We have a max contract rim protecting center and it wouldn't be wise to sign another one, even if Gobert is perhaps even a bit better defender than KP. We need a wing and if you are writing about big three in Dallas, look at players like Beal, Jrue, Oladipo and similar.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2901...king-about

Hopefully we can get a decent look at Oladipo in the next couple of months

(07-23-2020, 02:10 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Hopefully we can get a decent look at Oladipo in the next couple of months

Well. If he is good, we probably don't have the ammo to trade for him. If he is bad - would you risk it?

(07-23-2020, 11:43 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-23-2020, 11:22 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]https://thesmokingcuban.com/2020/07/23/d...nny-green/

I think the Mavs thought they had a 3-way for Green at the TDL right?

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/nb...anny-green

So I am not sure what a deal would look like in the offseason (can't say summer?) but I imagine it would be another 3 way type of deal. Danny Green is only on a 1 yr deal and has value still but maybe not as much on the Lakers as he would elsewhere, including Dallas.

I also don't know how the salaries would line up but for example if Mavs want better fitting parts than Jackson and Wright they could move them in a deal. The Lakers might rather have Wright who has ball handling skills than Green. Jackson could be sent elsewhere for nothing. This type of move would also free up future cap space for the Mavs.
Nah I have a better idea. Let´s trade for DeAndre Jordan.

I know ppl here don't like being left at the altar but I promise MBT does not care about that. They look at this more objectively. It sounds like they had a deal at the TDL but it fell through on the NYK side of things which shows you they are in on Danny G for the right price.

(07-23-2020, 02:10 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Hopefully we can get a decent look at Oladipo in the next couple of months

So you would need to choose btwn Oladipo who's stock is low and Hardaway who's stock is pretty high. I would say I think Oladipo was improving before the break. I think the way you get him is he sends signals he won't resign bc, you know its Indiana and you can flip THJ for him who they could extend in lieu of keeping Oladipo. It's sad we passed on Brogdon who was there for the taking and would have been a perfect fit here.

Hezonja is my pick for budget backup forward this off-season

(07-23-2020, 02:00 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Where do this writers constantly get the ideas, that we are looking for a center. We have a max contract rim protecting center and it wouldn't be wise to sign another one, even if Gobert is perhaps even a bit better defender than KP. We need a wing and if you are writing about big three in Dallas, look at players like Beal, Jrue, Oladipo and similar.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2901...king-about

I think the answer is in the writer's second paragraph. Goberto would solve the biggest issue we have in defense, and saying he is just "a bit better defender than KP" is understatement tbh.

Would I make a deal?
Gobert would solve huge problem in defense (him/KP/Maxi rotating is gonna be great) but will create another one on offense and depth, I will probably pass but won't be mad if it happens.

(07-24-2020, 01:51 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ]Gobert would solve huge problem in defense

I don't agree. KP and Gobert are both rim protectors and none is really able to guard small ball PF.

Spending 80 mil on big men is not the play. Even if you send Maxi out that is still 70 mil.

(07-23-2020, 02:12 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-23-2020, 02:10 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Hopefully we can get a decent look at Oladipo in the next couple of months

Well. If he is good, we probably don't have the ammo to trade for him. If he is bad - would you risk it?

I just want to see if his body holds up. MBT can decide if they think he can be a 3rd star who is worth the risk. Obviously, If he plays too well we wont have a good enough offer.

(07-23-2020, 11:22 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]

I think the Mavs thought they had a 3-way for Green at the TDL right?

Danny Green is only on a 1 yr deal and has value still but maybe not as much on the Lakers as he would elsewhere, including Dallas.

I also don't know how the salaries would line up but for example if Mavs want better fitting parts than Jackson and Wright they could move them in a deal. This type of move would also free up future cap space for the Mavs.

Danny Green is certainly a good fit, but a package that includes Wright-plus for Green is a Plan Powder move. Green would be a one year rental that saves Wright's $9 million salary in 2021. I don't like Plan Powder in this case because it means no use of the MLE in 20/21 and no extension for THJ. Doing those things and keeping our picks gives us room for a 30% UFA in the 21 offseason. You aren't throwing next season away because you have THJ and Green. But you enter 2021 with KP, Maxi, Powell, DFS, Luka, Curry, Brunson, #18 and #31 as your core to add about $35mm worth of free agent(s) to.

Personally, I'd rather add someone like Grant for the MLE and extend THJ. I'd also trade Jackson and 18 for a real player from a team that covets the pick. I like the proposals made about Kennard, though I suspect there are other deals out there. I don't think we need a third star. I think we need more 3rd/4th starter types.

KP Powell
Maxi
Grant
DFS
THJ
Kennard
Curry
Wright
Luka

(07-24-2020, 06:12 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Danny Green is certainly a good fit

Totally agree about Green. I think he is way overpaid for what he brings and Lakers are not interested in picks and limited role players like Wright. We need a third team to even consider making it happen. Signing him as a free agent was a good option, even at this salary, but paying our limited assets for him is not, imho.

I can't really see an option to sign Grant for MLE. His PO is at MLE level and I am quite sure Denver would at least match if not exceed MLE to keep him. Unless he is really unhappy in Denver, I don't really see this one at all.

We have been through the list of possible wings many times. Wings that are good on both ends of the floor are basically stars. I think Mavs need a very good on-ball defender for PG/SG types. We might get something for MLE here - Dunn, Jones Jr. come to mind first. Avery Bradley might be an interesting option. I haven't really seen Justin Holiday a lot but his stats are very nice. Trading for Richardson could happen. Another guy who I think would look very good on Mavs is Bledsoe - he could be what we wanted Wright to be. But Milwaukee is trading him only for a (better) PG and I just can't see a three team deal that would bring him to us. I wonder what Derrick White market would be - I don't think Murray/White pairing is a good long term option for San Antonio.

Oubre is a theoretic availability, but he is not really a lock down defender. Our offense would benefit and THJ-Curry-Oubre would be killing wing/shooting sidekicks to Doncic and KP. Oubre is somewhere in between the "small" and "big" wing defender we really need. Snell is a meh option in this category, would just fit our needs better than one of the too many PG we have.

Big wing is much more difficult. Very good players are also very expensive and probably beyond our reach. Gordon might be something we could trade for, although we are low on assets. We need the guy to be at least passable on offense (not like MKG). Two players used to be good not so long ago but had very bad seasons - J.Johnson and T.Young. I really liked Young in Indiana. Harkless comes to mind but it would be a mistake paying him full MLE long term - I think DFS is a better player. Or perhaps taking a flyer with Winslow. I guess best option would be to draft and develop our own guy here while covering the hole with MLE and cheap trade guys for a couple of years. Out of all the players I mentioned, I would pay #18 for Oubre, White, Richardson or Gordon only.

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2020/7/15/2...ence-maker

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/128...0180145153

I'm in the camp of guys who prefer to build slowly, draft & develop well until the moment is there.

But if we want to go crazy how about this:

Is there a way to combine a CP3 trade and a Gallinari-SnT this summer?

Hardaway, Wright, Powell, Jackson + Boban put us at a bit north of $45M outgoing salary. CP3 makes $38M alone (lol). Throw in the #18 contract and maybe one of Kleber/Curry, does it get us there?

PG: CP3
SG: Doncic
SF: Finney-Smith
PF: Gallinari
C: Porzingis

would be an outstanding starting 5. One of Curry/Kleber might still be on the roster, potentially Brunson, you'd also have the full MLE.

I don't think you can go more all-in than that (if it's even possible financially). CP3 played like an All NBA-guy this season and once his monstrous salary comes off the books we could reload one more time before the Luka-extension kicks in iirc.

Eliminate 60% of the starting rotation plus a couple of bench contributors then throw in the only 1st round pick until 2022 to pick up an over priced, mid-30s PG on a one-year rental and move our superstar initiator to a wing position, with a interim change in play style?

Nope. This type of roster churn was going on pre-LD/KP when the MBT was looking for bodies to create a competitive team with. That's not a goal today and will not help the team grow into the future. To me, we are still looking for younger contributors who can grow with the team.

Regardless of how far the Mavs go in the playoffs, I would rather the exit interviews be about what to improve individually to help improve the team success, instead of wishing them luck on their next team.

(07-24-2020, 07:11 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I can't really see an option to sign Grant for MLE. His PO is at MLE level and I am quite sure Denver would at least match if not exceed MLE to keep him. Unless he is really unhappy in Denver, I don't really see this one at all.

I think there are other PF types ahead of Grant for greater than MLE money and a fairly small number of teams that can go there. So, Denver is the only team I can see being a fit above the MLE. Dallas and a bunch of other good teams can use the MLE, which is a good number for Grant. The question isn’t Denver matching. As you know, he’s UFA. The question is whether they are willing to exceed the MLE either in years or dollars using their Bird rights and exceed other bidders in terms of role. I think he would easily start in Dallas moving DFS to a Swiss Army knife bench players.

Grant didn’t start in Denver this year and his numbers when sharing the court with Jokic aren’t nearly as good as Millsap’s. Michael Porter is waiting in the wings to start at one of the forward slots and Plumlee and Millsap are also FA’s this summer. Can Bol Bol play PF next to Jokic? Point is they have some mouths to feed this summer and if anyone gets too expensive there are other options. If Grant isn’t a starter there, can they afford him off the bench at the MLE?

It is kind of like Wright. Everyone thought he was good value at the MLE, but he didn’t fit as a starter and his on/off numbers aren’t great. If he was free this summer would we re-sign him at the same number? The most likely outcome is certainly that Grant stays, but I don’t think it is absolute at this point.

Lavine is another young NBA veteran the Mavs should be looking to add in a trade. Something like THJ, Brunson, Jackson, 2020 first and second (18,31), 2025 first for Lavine and Felicio would probably work.

Lavine fits the timeline of Luka, KP and would be an upgrade over THJ. He would be the secondary initiator of the offense when Luka sits. Trade for Lavine now!! The Mavs could fill the team with role players and would be championship contenders for decade.

(07-24-2020, 12:21 PM)JamesConway Wrote: [ -> ]I'm in the camp of guys who prefer to build slowly, draft & develop well until the moment is there.

But if we want to go crazy how about this:

Is there a way to combine a CP3 trade and a Gallinari-SnT this summer?

Hardaway, Wright, Powell, Jackson + Boban put us at a bit north of $45M outgoing salary. CP3 makes $38M alone (lol). Throw in the #18 contract and maybe one of Kleber/Curry, does it get us there?

PG: CP3
SG: Doncic
SF: Finney-Smith
PF: Gallinari
C: Porzingis

would be an outstanding starting 5. One of Curry/Kleber might still be on the roster, potentially Brunson, you'd also have the full MLE.

I don't think you can go more all-in than that (if it's even possible financially). CP3 played like an All NBA-guy this season and once his monstrous salary comes off the books we could reload one more time before the Luka-extension kicks in iirc.

https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1286790143169503232

(07-24-2020, 12:21 PM)JamesConway Wrote: [ -> ]I'm in the camp of guys who prefer to build slowly, draft & develop well until the moment is there.

But if we want to go crazy how about this:

Is there a way to combine a CP3 trade and a Gallinari-SnT this summer?

Hardaway, Wright, Powell, Jackson + Boban put us at a bit north of $45M outgoing salary. CP3 makes $38M alone (lol). Throw in the #18 contract and maybe one of Kleber/Curry, does it get us there?

PG: CP3
SG: Doncic
SF: Finney-Smith
PF: Gallinari
C: Porzingis

would be an outstanding starting 5. One of Curry/Kleber might still be on the roster, potentially Brunson, you'd also have the full MLE.

I don't think you can go more all-in than that (if it's even possible financially). CP3 played like an All NBA-guy this season and once his monstrous salary comes off the books we could reload one more time before the Luka-extension kicks in iirc.

To me Doncic, Porzingis, Curry, Kleber, DFS and Brunson are the untouchable core. Franchise cornerstones and established young-ish roleplayers on long-term value contracts. As long as we have them healthy, we´ll be a 50 win franchise for the next 4-5 years. Would take a genuine (below 30) All-Star in return to throw them into a trade

I´d have no problem with giving up Powell, Wright, Boban and Jackson in almost any scenario. Maybe your proposed trade (+18th pick and THJ) would have been enough for the grumpy, washed-up, injury-prone, bad contract version of CP3, but not the re-juvenated OK3.

THJ has turned into the surprise headache. Luckily the Mavs have another season to see how real this all is. He´s currently shooting 5% above his 3pt career average. He´s still not contributing much in terms of assists or rebounds. So assuming he can maintain a +38% 3pt percentage next year, I´d happily give him a 44/4 extension.

(07-24-2020, 09:57 PM)Playmaker Wrote: [ -> ]Lavine is another young NBA veteran the Mavs should be looking to add in a trade. Something like THJ, Brunson, Jackson, 2020 first and second (18,31), 2025 first for Lavine and Felicio would probably work.

Lavine fits the timeline of Luka, KP and would be an upgrade over THJ. He would be the secondary initiator of the offense when Luka sits. Trade for Lavine now!! The Mavs could fill the team with role players and would be championship contenders for decade.

Lavine will make or a break a team/GM. In the spring of 2021 with 18 months left on his contract, some want to be contender will pull the trigger on a biggish offer.

He´s a 37,5% high volume career 3pt shooter on bad teams. That could mean he´s a losing player with bad shot selection that scores a lot of points in meaningless minutes (game is out of reach/opponent is taking them lightly). It could also mean he maintains a high shooting percentage despite being the #1 option and the only focus of the opposing defense.

At the same time his horrible defensive numbers could mean he just doesn´t care or he doesn´t understand defensive schemes. He could also be exhausted from the extra effort he has to put in on offense and de-motivated by the overall situation.

On a contender, he could easily peak at 50/40/90 with 22/5/5 and average defense for a season, while playing 18 minutes as a #3 option starter and another 18 minutes as the #1 option of a bench unit. Or he becomes completely useless off-ball/without high usage and a winning situation has no positive impact on his defense at all.

Then you have to factor in the ACL injury and the franchise surroundings. There is so much to unpack.

(07-25-2020, 06:18 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]To me Doncic, Porzingis, Curry, Kleber, DFS and Brunson are the untouchable core. Franchise cornerstones and established young-ish roleplayers on long-term value contracts.

THJ has turned into the surprise headache. Luckily the Mavs have another season to see how real this all is. He´s currently shooting 5% above his 3pt career average. He´s still not contributing much in terms of assists or rebounds. So assuming he can maintain a +38% 3pt percentage next year, I´d happily give him a 44/4 extension.

Total "no thank you" to LaVine. So, we agree there.

I'm a little surprised by the THJ take. I get not trusting that this season's numbers were real, but real or not the numbers were really good. He was arguably a top 10-12 SG this season. It would be interesting to know how teams view him. Is he Luka's outstanding running buddy? Or, a flash in the pan who will return to his Knick ways when not playing next to Luka?

The team has said it wants to extend him during the upcoming off-season. So, we won't get another "season" to evaluate unless you are talking about the bubble as being a "season". I don't think there's a chance 4/$44 is the right number. I think the best we can hope for is something starting in the $14mm-$17mm range. Bledsoe got 4/$70 last summer. Gary Harris got 4/$84 the summer before that. Will Barton comes off the bench and got 4/$53. Who knows what impact COVID will have on contracts, but it wouldn't surprise me to see an extension starting in the $17mm-$18mm range.

The real question is can we do better with the money available if you don't keep THJ. If your 4/$44 number is right, then we won't get value in a trade (he probably won't opt out if that is his real market). But, let's say he does opt out this off-season creating some cap room. Do we get in the bidding for Bogdanovic (RFA)? Is he really better than Hardaway? Or, maybe you go for one of the above MLE players at a different position. If Curry is your SG, do you use the Hardaway cap room to go over the MLE for Wood? Bertans? Ibaka? Grant? Is KP/Wood/DFS/Curry/Luka better than KP/DFS/THJ/Curry/Luka? If we wait until the 21 off-season, then we have to forego the MLE this season and trades that add salary in order for the 21 cap room to be meaningful. I think the more likely outcome is we extend him at a number at least 150% of your $44 million number.

(07-25-2020, 08:41 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2020, 06:18 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]To me Doncic, Porzingis, Curry, Kleber, DFS and Brunson are the untouchable core. Franchise cornerstones and established young-ish roleplayers on long-term value contracts.

THJ has turned into the surprise headache. Luckily the Mavs have another season to see how real this all is. He´s currently shooting 5% above his 3pt career average. He´s still not contributing much in terms of assists or rebounds. So assuming he can maintain a +38% 3pt percentage next year, I´d happily give him a 44/4 extension.

Total "no thank you" to LaVine. So, we agree there.

I'm a little surprised by the THJ take. I get not trusting that this season's numbers were real, but real or not the numbers were really good. He was arguably a top 10-12 SG this season.  It would be interesting to know how teams view him. Is he Luka's outstanding running buddy? Or, a flash in the pan who will return to his Knick ways when not playing next to Luka?

The team has said it wants to extend him during the upcoming off-season. So, we won't get another "season" to evaluate unless you are talking about the bubble as being a "season". I don't think there's a chance 4/$44 is the right number. I think the best we can hope for is something starting in the $14mm-$17mm range. Bledsoe got 4/$70 last summer. Gary Harris got 4/$84 the summer before that. Will Barton comes off the bench and got 4/$53. Who knows what impact COVID will have on contracts, but it wouldn't surprise me to see an extension starting in the $17mm-$18mm range.

The real question is can we do better with the money available if you don't keep THJ. If your 4/$44 number is right, then we won't get value in a trade (he probably won't opt out if that is his real market). But, let's say he does opt out this off-season creating some cap room. Do we get in the bidding for Bogdanovic (RFA)? Is he really better than Hardaway? Or, maybe you go for one of the above MLE players at a different position. If Curry is your SG, do you use the Hardaway cap room to go over the MLE for Wood? Bertans? Ibaka? Grant? Is KP/Wood/DFS/Curry/Luka better than KP/DFS/THJ/Curry/Luka? If we wait until the 21 off-season, then we have to forego the MLE this season and trades that add salary in order for the 21 cap room to be meaningful. I think the more likely outcome is we extend him at a number at least 150% of your $44 million number.

It was actually not a no on Lavine. I´m actually leaning more on him doing a THJ once you get him into a winning culture. All I read about him is that he´s a real hard worker. He tore his ACL at a crucial stage of his career, just shy of his 22nd birthday, recovered quickly and was then settled with two of the worst headcoaches in NBA history. Those are strong arguments for a culture/coaching upgrade changing his perception around the league.

I don´t think there is a chance in hell THJ opts out, unless the Mavs make another rash unnecessary extension decision like Powell.

I´m not even concerning myself with FAs above the MLE level this summer. We won´t have any capspace. The Mavs using 18+31 for a trade seems a much more likely scenario. I think DeRozan remains an interesting trade target, given that he could threaten the declining Spurs with an opt-out, but agree to opt-in for a potential contending trade partner.

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