(11-15-2019, 11:25 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: [ -> ]If the Mavs want to make the playoffs a trade is a must. Until the players start performing, we would be losing value trading right now. I really don't know the answer right now. Everyone other than Luka is underperforming. Yes Brunson, Jackson, Lee (only as a expiring) and Seth have trade value. DP isn't tradeable. THJ isn't tradeable except for CP3 which I'm ok with at this point. Wright may or may not be tradeable currently. He clearly would be if he starts playing like he did last year. Maxi should stay unless needed in a trade that clearly makes us a better team. DFS is untradeable other than a throw in. He's shooting under 30% on 3's. Those type of wings rarely get any time now especially on good teams. I would say that DFS shouldn't ever start, but what are the other options?Right now Jackson and KP are the only players with decent 3 point percentages. I do think Jackson should start at the 2, but that's just my opinion.
Bottom line we are going to have to take back some bad salary to get a good player unless we include Brunson or Jackson. My complaint this off-season and it hasn't changed is that you don't spend big money on bench players. You spend money on stars or sure starters. You develop role players. Tons of players on the cheap can come in and give you 6-8 points on 20 mpg. You don't pay 8-9 million a season for a player like that. This off-season was handled very poorly.
I don't think we are a playoff team without a trade so the upside of that is we will have a lottery pick worst case. I don't know the magic fix, but we need more true starters.
You could trade Jackson, THJ + 2nd round picks right now for Adams if OKC was ready to make a move right now. Jackson would be the prize + some cap savings. At the TDL you could trade Powell, Lee + Jackson for Adams to give OKC a center back in return + Jackson and more cap savings.
(11-15-2019, 01:00 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ] (11-15-2019, 11:25 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: [ -> ]If the Mavs want to make the playoffs a trade is a must. Until the players start performing, we would be losing value trading right now. I really don't know the answer right now. Everyone other than Luka is underperforming. Yes Brunson, Jackson, Lee (only as a expiring) and Seth have trade value. DP isn't tradeable. THJ isn't tradeable except for CP3 which I'm ok with at this point. Wright may or may not be tradeable currently. He clearly would be if he starts playing like he did last year. Maxi should stay unless needed in a trade that clearly makes us a better team. DFS is untradeable other than a throw in. He's shooting under 30% on 3's. Those type of wings rarely get any time now especially on good teams. I would say that DFS shouldn't ever start, but what are the other options?Right now Jackson and KP are the only players with decent 3 point percentages. I do think Jackson should start at the 2, but that's just my opinion.
Bottom line we are going to have to take back some bad salary to get a good player unless we include Brunson or Jackson. My complaint this off-season and it hasn't changed is that you don't spend big money on bench players. You spend money on stars or sure starters. You develop role players. Tons of players on the cheap can come in and give you 6-8 points on 20 mpg. You don't pay 8-9 million a season for a player like that. This off-season was handled very poorly.
I don't think we are a playoff team without a trade so the upside of that is we will have a lottery pick worst case. I don't know the magic fix, but we need more true starters.
You could trade Jackson, THJ + 2nd round picks right now for Adams if OKC was ready to make a move right now. Jackson would be the prize + some cap savings. At the TDL you could trade Powell, Lee + Jackson for Adams to give OKC a center back in return + Jackson and more cap savings.
I'd be good with that. Adams would make this team a LOT tougher and physical. I think the Knicks exposed how to beat us with physicality. We need to toughen up.
I don't see any big trades. We have no assets, and I'm not a fan of dumping our 1st rounders like in years past.
Brunson was a 2nd round pick because no body wanted him. He's clearly outplayed his selection but the issue remains: he's not desirable. Carlisle devalued any worth he had left by playing him 5-15 mins, same with Justin Jackson.
Seth, 4-year contract for a 1-trick pony? Sure, the contract is not that bad but guys like him are available every offseason or waiver wire.
Powell, another long term contract for a 1-trick pony. You got young, versatile guys like Kelly Oubre Jr. going for $15M/yr while Powell gets $11M/yr from us. It's unbelievably bad.
THJ, garbage contract and continues to be exposed as Carlisle's hand-selected 3rd scoring option. It's worse than Matthews and Barnes.
Multiple teams are reportedly interested in Orlando Magic forward Aaron Gordon should he become available on the trade market.
According to Shams Charania of The Athletic and Stadium, those teams are monitoring Gordon, even though the Magic have shown no interest in trading him.
Gordon is in the midst of his sixth NBA season, and he signed a four-year, $80 million contract to remain with the Magic last year.
We need another offensive creator more than anything else. Adams or Gordon are just putting lipstick on a pig.
(11-06-2019, 04:55 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2019, 04:43 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Ahhhh, 2021, the next overhyped/overanticipated FA failure year.
You still think 2019 was a failure even though Delon, Seth, and Bobi look like great additions, and the team is already playing better than we expected?
when conclusions are stated definitively and prematurely without consideration given to the time needed for growth and for a process to play out
-when the only evidence that's presented in a post is that which reinforces the poster's preconceived notions, with no consideration given to the evidence that points in a different direction.
(11-15-2019, 03:16 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]We need another offensive creator more than anything else. Adams or Gordon are just putting lipstick on a pig.
(11-06-2019, 04:55 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2019, 04:43 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Ahhhh, 2021, the next overhyped/overanticipated FA failure year.
You still think 2019 was a failure even though Delon, Seth, and Bobi look like great additions, and the team is already playing better than we expected?
when conclusions are stated definitively and prematurely without consideration given to the time needed for growth and for a process to play out
-when the only evidence that's presented in a post is that which reinforces the poster's preconceived notions, with no consideration given to the evidence that points in a different direction.
I may be a little slow, but I'm not sure what you're telling me here, JS. Can you help me out?
I don't agree JS that Adams or Gordon would be putting lipstick on a pig at all. I would call either of those moves major upgrades. We have so much redundancy on this roster I don't even have to know what we have to give up to know it would be an upgrade.
In the meantime I want to see Brunson in the starting lineup. He can shoot and make plays. He has fit perfect with Luka since he got here.
Simply un-do some of the damage done last summer.
R. Jackson + Snell + Galloway for THJ + Powell + Curry + Brunson
Should give us roughly $30M in capspace depending on what the China-Cap does. Get Beasley (4/40), Favors (1/18) and Juan Hernangomez (room exception).
Doncic/Wright
Beasley/Snell
Jackson/DFS
Kleber/Hernangomez
Porzingis/Favors
+1st round pick
Next year Snell, Favors, Jackson, Boban expire to give us 30M in capspace again.
I know it´s not the most sexy solution, but stuff like trading THJ for Adams or Gordon for Powell+Curry is just not realistic imho.
CP3 just torched Philly with 27 points. Gallo added 28. THJ, Lee, Powell and Wright for CP3 and Gallo! :-)
Luka, CP3, Seth, Gallo, KP would be a killer starting 5
Brunson, Jackson, DFS, Maxi and Boban very good bench
(11-15-2019, 11:13 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]CP3 just torched Philly with 27 points. Gallo added 28. THJ, Lee, Powell and Wright for CP3 and Gallo! :-)
Luka, CP3, Seth, Gallo, KP would be a killer starting 5
Brunson, Jackson, DFS, Maxi and Boban very good bench
Ferguson and Bazley both shoot over 40% from 3. Problem is they only average 4.1 and 5.2 points. If they could double their points while maintaining their percentages, that´s another contender for a play-off spot. The Thunder just lack depth, but I´d say their five best players are better than our five best.
If we were able to pair Bogdanovic (27) with Doncic in the backourt it would be awesome. We can fit him into the TPE. He might ask for 15-20M/year, but since we own his right we would be able to offer him right?
DAL: Bogdanovic.
SAC: Curry, Brunson, 2020 GSW 2nd, 2020 UTA 2nd.
Is this offer enough? I think most teams would be able to throw a 1st rounder there (Knicks, Pistons, etc), and we can't take on the Barnes contract cause we have to pay Bogdanovic. Maybe throw in Lee if they want to get rid of Dedmon or Ariza. Jackson and Powell are available too if they show intrest in onem of them.
(11-16-2019, 09:39 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]If we were able to pair Bogdanovic (27) with Doncic in the backourt it would be awesome. We can fit him into the TPE. He might ask for 15-20M/year, but since we own his right we would be able to offer him right?
DAL: Bogdanovic.
SAC: Curry, Brunson, 2020 GSW 2nd, 2020 UTA 2nd.
Is this offer enough? I think most teams would be able to throw a 1st rounder there (Knicks, Pistons, etc), and we can't take on the Barnes contract cause we have to pay Bogdanovic. Maybe throw in Lee if they want to get rid of Dedmon or Ariza. Jackson and Powell are available too if they show intrest in onem of them.
Would do that in a heartbeat.
(11-16-2019, 09:39 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]If we were able to pair Bogdanovic (27) with Doncic in the backourt it would be awesome. We can fit him into the TPE. He might ask for 15-20M/year, but since we own his right we would be able to offer him right?
DAL: Bogdanovic.
SAC: Curry, Brunson, 2020 GSW 2nd, 2020 UTA 2nd.
Is this offer enough? I think most teams would be able to throw a 1st rounder there (Knicks, Pistons, etc), and we can't take on the Barnes contract cause we have to pay Bogdanovic. Maybe throw in Lee if they want to get rid of Dedmon or Ariza. Jackson and Powell are available too if they show intrest in onem of them.
Actually seems like a legit trade that works for both teams. It's not lopsided either way. They would be getting a pretty good haul for Bogdanovic especially with the Warriors 2nd round pick most likely being near or at the top of the 2nd. I actually like this trade for both teams. Well thought out.
(11-16-2019, 09:39 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]If we were able to pair Bogdanovic (27) with Doncic in the backourt it would be awesome. We can fit him into the TPE. He might ask for 15-20M/year, but since we own his right we would be able to offer him right?
DAL: Bogdanovic.
SAC: Curry, Brunson, 2020 GSW 2nd, 2020 UTA 2nd.
Is this offer enough? I think most teams would be able to throw a 1st rounder there (Knicks, Pistons, etc), and we can't take on the Barnes contract cause we have to pay Bogdanovic. Maybe throw in Lee if they want to get rid of Dedmon or Ariza. Jackson and Powell are available too if they show intrest in onem of them.
You are aware we got Jackson from them in the Barnes trade right?
Yes, we can't send them Jackson. I can't see Sac trading Bogdan. It would be extremely foolish for them to do that - unless for an upgrade. But I would love to take him off their hands. If Dedmon is the cost of doing business there, I am down. He has fallen out of the rotation and is fresh off a 3yr 40M deal this summer. I could see him fitting in here. I would REALLY like to get Bogdan and Bjelica.. I know that it would be a crazy Euro team, but those guys can play!
(11-16-2019, 12:54 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, we can't send them Jackson. I can't see Sac trading Bogdan. It would be extremely foolish for them to do that - unless for an upgrade. But I would love to take him off their hands. If Dedmon is the cost of doing business there, I am down. He has fallen out of the rotation and is fresh off a 3yr 40M deal this summer. I could see him fitting in here. I would REALLY like to get Bogdan and Bjelica.. I know that it would be a crazy Euro team, but those guys can play!
DAL: Bogdanovic, Dedmon.
SAC: Curry, Brunson, Lee, 2020 GSW 2nd, 2020 UTA 2nd.
This is a better one for them because we get one of their bad contracts (Dedmon or Joseph) for an expiring (Lee), they are locked on for next year. Of course they could try and trade Ariza/Joseph/Dedmon to save money to pay for Bogdanovic. Not sure how I feel about this trade, we would be stuck with two bad contracts (Dedmon and Powell) having to pay Bogdanovic in 2020 and in 2022, Doncic's max. If they take Powell instead of Lee I'm in. Bjelica is in a good contract for them, can't see them moving him.
Doncic/Bogdanovic/DFS/KP/Dedmon
Wright/Hardaway/Jackson/Kleber/Powell
This is what our lineup would look like with no flexibility at all with most locked in until 21/22 except Hardaway (thank god), not sure we could go all the way. Still missing 1 starter. Maybe if we trade THJ for somebody or have a good Rookie in 2020, who knows.
I view Bogdan as a piece that I would be happy to use assets to acquire. He is a difference maker. I think he is as good a player as Heild. He is an excellent shooter and a good playmaker - easily good enough to be our secondary ballhandler here. He has good size (6'6'') and would allow the mavs to play a pretty big lineup to start off games. He would be a solid addition considering we missed out on what could have been with Brogdon this summer. A player in that role would be such a huge benefit for the Mavs to take pressure off of Luka and allow them to swing the ball and attack from a different angle.
(11-16-2019, 05:51 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]I view Bogdan as a piece that I would be happy to use assets to acquire. He is a difference maker. I think he is as good a player as Heild. He is an excellent shooter and a good playmaker - easily good enough to be our secondary ballhandler here. He has good size (6'6'') and would allow the mavs to play a pretty big lineup to start off games. He would be a solid addition considering we missed out on what could have been with Brogdon this summer. A player in that role would be such a huge benefit for the Mavs to take pressure off of Luka and allow them to swing the ball and attack from a different angle.
Plus he wants a bigger role.
Damn. You guys are right. That 60th pick is suddenly going to be in the 30-35 range. What an unexpected turn of events.
