I hope the Mavs try to trade for Kelly Oubre Jr. Will the package of Wright, JJax, 2020 1st round pick be enough for the Suns?
Oubre may become a better three-point shooter with Dallas. And, his skillset will provide an additional facet for the Mavs' offense. I think he is good enough of a defender.
(05-03-2020, 04:31 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]RealGM forum is sporting an idea of Curry, Brunson and both 2020 picks for Richardson.
I think the whole point of that exercise is to attach Horford´s awful contract, otherwise you just shift around $4-5M more or less, and have gained nothing. Besides Philly already has the #22, #34 and #36 picks. Not sure they need more. I guess trading Harris to a team like Phoenix would be the other option. Boy their cap is ugly.
(05-04-2020, 01:54 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]I think the whole point of that exercise is to attach Horford´s awful contract, otherwise you just shift around $4-5M more or less, and have gained nothing.
Nope. Philly can't realistically extend Richardson, due to their ugly cap, unless they are prepared to pay really heavy tax millions or they gift Horford to someone (which will cost a lot). Actually that excercise included shifting the picks to Detroit for Kennard - I didn't include them in initial post, as it is not really relevant for Dallas.
Philly also wants to remain competitive - that is why they will not just give Horford (or anyone else) to someone, they will want good players back. Philly needs shooters and back up PG. There are many solutions possible. Horford and Harris are way overpaid - if they want to move any of them, assets will need to be attached and it is a question, what they will get back. Embiid and Simmons don't really fit well together. Richardson will be looking for substantial raise next season.
Trading Richardson for Curry and Brunson gives them a top shooter and a back up PG, both at controllable price. They lose a good player but remain competitive. Picks they can always use for further trade (trade can be done on draft night).
1. Det-Phi-Dal. Philly saves money, Dallas upgrades with small(ish) cap hit, Det gets a pick
Det: Powell + Phi #22
Dal: Horford
Phi: Snell+Wright+Bobi
2. Dallas really likes a rookie and moves up:
Orl: Jac+#18
Dal: Aminu+#15
MLE for PF/SF type, pick wing and back up PG
Luka, Brunson, #31
THJ, Seth, Reaves
DFS, #15, vet min
Horford, MLE, Aminu
KP, Maxi, vet min
(05-04-2020, 12:23 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]1. Det-Phi-Dal. Philly saves money, Dallas upgrades with small(ish) cap hit, Det gets a pick
Det: Powell + Phi #22
Dal: Horford
Phi: Snell+Wright+Bobi
2. Dallas really likes a rookie and moves up:
Orl: Jac+#18
Dal: Aminu+#15
MLE for PF/SF type, pick wing and back up PG
Luka, Brunson, #31
THJ, Seth, Reaves
DFS, #15, vet min
Horford, MLE, Aminu
KP, Maxi, vet min
I like getting Horford, but I can't see Powell leaving without taking a Pick with him.
(05-04-2020, 12:39 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]I like getting Horford, but I can't see Powell leaving without taking a Pick with him.
Detroit gets a pick, it is just that it's comming from Philly. Philly will not move Horford without attaching picks, unless they trade him for CP3.
But I agree - Dallas will not trade Powell. No matter what
(05-04-2020, 01:00 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2020, 12:39 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]I like getting Horford, but I can't see Powell leaving without taking a Pick with him.
Detroit gets a pick, it is just that it's comming from Philly. Philly will not move Horford without attaching picks, unless they trade him for CP3.
But I agree - Dallas will not trade Powell. No matter what
I'd take Horford without a Pick, if they take Lee back with a SnT. (Or JJB if he's retireing)
I don't think the Mavs will go anywhere near old man Hortford's $ 81 mil over the next 3 years. I would offer DET's Christian Woods the full MLE or maybe workout a S&T for him. DET does not have a 2nd round pick. So maybe they would take the GS pick and Wright for a S&T Woods. A 25 year old Wood at 9or 10 mil sounds a lot better then a 34 year old Hortfort at 27.5 mil for next year.
(05-04-2020, 03:31 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think the Mavs will go anywhere near old man Hortford's $ 81 mil over the next 3 years.
You have to go beyond stats when looking at Horford. He is exactly what we miss. Proven veteran winner, who can help Luka and KP grow up. Plus he is the fourth starter. Just look at what CP3 did to mediocre OKC last season. I have no problem trading Powell and Wright who are due to 19 mil per season for Horford who will be paid 27 mil. We would basically get the fourth starter for two bench guys (one of them coming from very serios injury) while keeping our picks and MLE. Horford is overpaid, but I doubt there are any much easier ways to get that fourth starter.
Remember - we only have serious cap space in 2021 if we let THJ go. This means we will lose a starter to sign a starter. Does losing THJ and giving (for example) Oladipo max money really makes us so much better? I don't think so.
(05-04-2020, 12:39 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]I like getting Horford, but I can't see Powell leaving without taking a Pick with him.
If we could get rid of Powell and replace him with Horford and all it'd take was a pick I'd make that deal faster than the speed of light.
There is a very very real possibility that Powell never returns to what he was. He could be 11 million of dead space for the next 3 years. At least Horford is incredibly productive and exactly what we need.
(05-04-2020, 09:34 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2020, 12:39 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]I like getting Horford, but I can't see Powell leaving without taking a Pick with him.
If we could get rid of Powell and replace him with Horford and all it'd take was a pick I'd make that deal faster than the speed of light.
There is a very very real possibility that Powell never returns to what he was. He could be 11 million of dead space for the next 3 years. At least Horford is incredibly productive and exactly what we need.
He was dead cap before the injury =)
What do guys think about a trade for Myles Turner?
Seth Curry, Maxi Kleber, 2020 2nd round pick for for Myles Turner?
(05-06-2020, 06:56 AM)Lui41 Wrote: [ -> ]What do guys think about a trade for Myles Turner?
Seth Curry, Maxi Kleber, 2020 2nd round pick for for Myles Turner?
I'd do that in a heartbeat. An article I read during the season the writer said Ind wanted players for Turner though, weren't all that interested in picks. Having said that, I'd still think it'd take our 1st along with Curry and Kleber and maybe our second as well. I'd still do that trade though. Only reason Ind does it is if there aren't many other offers because I think they're looking for a starting piece to add to their puzzle for him.
Turner's age is perfect for our young current duo (would IMO be a trio if we got Turner). The defense KP and MT would bring under the basket would be stifling. Then on offense they would be interchangeable and wouldn't step on eachother's toes with MT playing low post more then KP, but can step out if need be too. MT has enough bulk to bang with the big guys, but also isn't so big that he can't chase players around the perimeter. Finally, he's locked in at $18M for 3 more years. That is value!
All we'd have to add is a waterbug defender and another wing 3&D guy (unless we keep THJ in which case we could take our pick of a wing 3&D or waterbug defender) and this team is competing for championships. Our bench is hit pretty hard with the trade, but those type of guys Donnie has proven to be able to find every year and they wouldn't be the type of guys that hit the cap hard like the big pieces.
(05-06-2020, 09:55 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I'd do that in a heartbeat. An article I read during the season the writer said Ind wanted players for Turner though, weren't all that interested in picks. Having said that, I'd still think it'd take our 1st along with Curry and Kleber and maybe our second as well. I'd still do that trade though. Only reason Ind does it is if there aren't many other offers because I think they're looking for a starting piece to add to their puzzle for him.
Turner's age is perfect for our young current duo (would IMO be a trio if we got Turner). The defense KP and MT would bring under the basket would be stifling. Then on offense they would be interchangeable and wouldn't step on eachother's toes with MT playing low post more then KP, but can step out if need be too. MT has enough bulk to bang with the big guys, but also isn't so big that he can't chase players around the perimeter. Finally, he's locked in at $18M for 3 more years. That is value!
All we'd have to add is a waterbug defender and another wing 3&D guy (unless we keep THJ in which case we could take our pick of a wing 3&D or waterbug defender) and this team is competing for championships. Our bench is hit pretty hard with the trade, but those type of guys Donnie has proven to be able to find every year and they wouldn't be the type of guys that hit the cap hard like the big pieces.
Your argumentation is solid. I am sure Indy would prefer to upgrade the top side of the roster, as they already have a lot of useful players, who are not stars. However, additional points can be made. Indy basically has McDermott in Curry role. However McDermott is expiring and not cost controlled. Also it is not clear if they will be able to retain Holiday and Curry would more than adequately replace him. Kleber can be seen as cheap man Turner.
(05-06-2020, 10:19 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2020, 09:55 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I'd do that in a heartbeat. An article I read during the season the writer said Ind wanted players for Turner though, weren't all that interested in picks. Having said that, I'd still think it'd take our 1st along with Curry and Kleber and maybe our second as well. I'd still do that trade though. Only reason Ind does it is if there aren't many other offers because I think they're looking for a starting piece to add to their puzzle for him.
Turner's age is perfect for our young current duo (would IMO be a trio if we got Turner). The defense KP and MT would bring under the basket would be stifling. Then on offense they would be interchangeable and wouldn't step on eachother's toes with MT playing low post more then KP, but can step out if need be too. MT has enough bulk to bang with the big guys, but also isn't so big that he can't chase players around the perimeter. Finally, he's locked in at $18M for 3 more years. That is value!
All we'd have to add is a waterbug defender and another wing 3&D guy (unless we keep THJ in which case we could take our pick of a wing 3&D or waterbug defender) and this team is competing for championships. Our bench is hit pretty hard with the trade, but those type of guys Donnie has proven to be able to find every year and they wouldn't be the type of guys that hit the cap hard like the big pieces.
Your argumentation is solid. I am sure Indy would prefer to upgrade the top side of the roster, as they already have a lot of useful players, who are not stars. However, additional points can be made. Indy basically has McDermott in Curry role. However McDermott is expiring and not cost controlled. Also it is not clear if they will be able to retain Holiday and Curry would more than adequately replace him. Kleber can be seen as cheap man Turner.
I get that, that's why I said I thought Ind does it if there aren't many other offers. I think it's enough value, just not exactly what they are looking for. However, Kleber and Curry fit their current players timeline (Oladipo and Brogdon), but that to me is all the more reason to go for more value because this trade has got to put them into contender status. I will say, the expected improvement of Sabonis and Oladipo will very much help that case for them, and this trade would solidify their bench for many years, so there is that.
I can certainly see Kleber and Curry as complimentary pieces to what they already have in Indy. I can also see Dallas having interest. This helps us against the Lakers and teams with two good bigs. The question would be the ability to switch the perimeter with our bigs. KP and MT can platoon some of their minutes, but would still play together presumably at the beginning and ends of games.
My question is whether you could do just as well with someone less costly. Hollinger did a 10 Under the Radar FA’s piece this morning for The Athletic. Here is his write-up on C. Wood.
1. Christian Wood, Detroit
So, here might be the one exception. Like, does he even count anymore as a below-the-radar free agent? Nonetheless, I wanted to make sure to mention Wood here since nobody watched the Pistons this year.
I’ll summarize first: He’s freaking good. Locked in a reserve role much of the year, Wood really got cooking right before the season got corona-ed into oblivion. Since Detroit traded Andre Drummond and Wood took over in the middle, he averaged 23.2 points and 9.9 rebounds per game on 56.2 percent shooting in a Detroit offense that had few other viable threats.
The night the season shut down, Wood went head to head against Joel Embiid and finished with 32 points on 14-of-18 shooting. He’s not just a dunker either – Wood shot 38.6 percent from 3 for the season. This wasn’t just some rando putting up empty numbers on a bad team. He was good.
Wood is 24 and had hardly played before this season, except when he was dominating the G League. (Something he was forced to do over and over again after going undrafted in 2015). Ironically, he slipped in the draft due to questions about his work ethic and desire, questions that seemingly should be answered after his half-decade journey to this point.
Advanced metrics rated Wood as a top-10 center in 2019-20. Past performance doesn’t predict future results and the market for bigs, in general, will be tepid this offseason, but Wood should be a target for any team looking for a starting-caliber big.
Detroit certainly will be among them, and has an advantage. His low cap hold (a paltry $1.7M) can allow the Pistons to use the rest of their projected $35M in room on other players before coming back to the trough for Wood. However, he is an Early Bird free agent, meaning that for dollar amounts above the league average salary (roughly $10M), the Pistons have to dig into their cap space to re-sign him.
While we’re here – if Wood doesn’t win the Most Improved Player award there should be an investigation
Others with mentions in his Top Ten list who can play some PF or C include:
3. DJJ - Miami
4. Boucher - Toronto
7. Josh Jackson - Memphis
8. Poeltl - San Antonio
9. Saric - Phoenix
10. Henson - Detroit
(05-06-2020, 02:31 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Here is his write-up on C. Wood.
Wood had an excellent half of season. However, I am certain he will not be available at MLE level (if he is, go for him for sure). I am not sure I would be even prepared to pay more. Still, he was only good for half of a meaningless season on a tanking team.
(05-06-2020, 06:04 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2020, 02:31 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Here is his write-up on C. Wood.
Wood had an excellent half of season. However, I am certain he will not be available at MLE level (if he is, go for him for sure). I am not sure I would be even prepared to pay more. Still, he was only good for half of a meaningless season on a tanking team.
He's also 6'10" and 214 lbs. We have the better version of that guy in KP on our team. I want the guy that can take some of the pounding off of KP.
Which teams do you think would be interested in trading for Myles Turner other the Mavs? Or, which team would have the need for Myles Turner and wpuld be willing to offer a better packagae for him?
(05-06-2020, 09:44 PM)Lui41 Wrote: [ -> ]Which teams do you think would be interested in trading for Myles Turner other the Mavs? Or, which team would have the need for Myles Turner and wpuld be willing to offer a better packagae for him?
I will say, that's the thing, he's been rumored to be available since the early part of this year, so they have gotten offers that they haven't accepted I'd assume. Who knows what or if the Mavs have gotten in on that.
I could kinda see NO as a potential trade partner with Jrue. Something like JH and Melli for MT and McDermott. Maybe picks exchange hands somewhere in there to make up for value. They would be employing 3 guards that way, but Jrue plays bigger than he is so it could work. That would make a pretty scary NO team with a starting lineup of:
Ball/Hart/Ingram/Zion/Turner
Ind would basically be trying to contend with a Pistons style team of no superstars but a bunch of great players:
Jrue/Brogdon/Viktor/Warren/Sabonis