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(01-22-2020, 11:37 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]they nearly dealt him to the Dallas Mavericks for Dennis Smith Jr. last season.

Glad we live in the world we do and not THAT one.

Has KP's return made everyone crazy? His absence made it clear that we desperately needed another big *before* the Powell injury. Now we need two. One of them can be another low-minute guy who just needs to be ready if KP needs rest again. The other will need to be a big-minute filler as DP was. 

We need two bigs now, full stop. I will bet anyone here that we are a guaranteed easy first round out (swept or knocked out in five games) if we don't get two bigs, whether by trade, via waiver wire, or off the scrap heap. I actually hope they call Salah. I know that he and RC didn't get along, but he did decent work when he played. As for Noah and the bridge being burnt, I think he's more mature than he used to be. He'll suit up if we trade for him. As for RC, he gets to play whoever Donnie acquires and like it. That's the team's situation.

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(01-22-2020, 06:12 AM)JamesConway Wrote: [ -> ]Re Delon:

Earlier in the season he gave an interview about his role which wasn't toxic but raised my attention:

https://twitter.com/tim_cato/status/1214...13729?s=20

Now his brother apparently bitched about his minutes on twitter during the Clippers-game. He deleted his tweet but it did exist. Some local guys are talking about it:

https://twitter.com/KirkSeriousFace/stat...21057?s=20

Screenshot of the tweet was posted on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comme...s_brother/

Not a great look...

Thing is, if we cut bait on Wright, then we tie our horses to Brunson.

Ugh... it's looking like the entire roster other than Luka, KP, and Maxi will get turned over before the summer of '21. It's like the early aughts all over again where we had a completely different team every year.

Scott gonna Scott 

There are a bunch of avenues we can go down:

- cheap FA additions like Faried, Justin Patton

- minor trade targets like Cauley-Stein, maybe Willy Hernangomez?

- More expensive salary dump-type trades like Dieng, Dedmon

- Acquiring a big name like Drummond, maybe Adams

Phew. I gotta say that I'm pretty on the fence.

(01-22-2020, 12:28 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Scott gonna Scott

True. But do you believe that the Mavs can get by with the acquisition of just one spot big? Just an honest question I'd like answered.

I know I'm doing the Chicken Little bit to some extent, but this team is in a bad situation - we need two bigs, and all the other teams in the league know that they have us over a barrel and will milk us for what used to be throw-in players (e.g. Dieng and Dedmon). You are one of DP's biggest defenders here, so you ought to know what a bad situation we're in moving forward this year (and probably a good chunk of the next) without him. Before the DP injury, we needed another reliable scorer, another big, and another starting-caliber perimeter defender. We knew we weren't going to fill all of those holes with the assets that we had. Now we need an additional big and have precipitously less leverage with trade partners.

Part of what has me upset is that I like Curry and Wright and sort of like Brunson. RC has alienated Wright and doghoused Brunson. Moreover, it's going to be very tough to get the players we need in trade without including two of those three - which will create more holes. Mavs are in a quite bad situation in what looked at the beginning of December like a Luka-magical year.

Another long-term issue to consider - if we don't trade Powell, he's likely to come back far less useful given his reliance on his athleticism. So then you have a $10 mil a year contract for a guy who isn't playing much for years to come. I'm just wondering how in the world they're going to build an 8-man rotation with the situation they have.

I am firmly in the camp that says do not panic and I am sure the MBT won't. Dwight Powell will not be involved in any trades before the deadline because it is far to soon for anyone to know what type of a future asset he will be. Our team doctors will soon know a little as they complete the surgery and see how bad the tear was and make a very preliminary judgement on his future recovery based on the success of the surgery and the severity of the injury. All we know now is that it will not be good and he will not be back any time soon. 

I still think Powell is a fixture here with a future in management, perhaps high level Mavericks management. He is a very good, very smart and highly popular guy. That does not mean he cannot be traded. In fact experience elsewhere, just like Rolando Blackman, a previous example of our guys rising to management, got in New York. 

As for fortifying the current team, I think our future assets, not this year, will be the priority. We have plenty of depth and young talent to develop to compete and gain experience this year. KP and Boban both have much potential that has to and in Boban's case could be developed. They may see Justin Jackson as a power forward they can still develop. 

I think and hope that the only moves we will make are moves the MBT was already considering because they would improve our overall team and talent level for at least this and next year. Our rookies are a consideration here but I've seen no evidence they are close to ready now. That does not mean they are not penciled in for next year. Great hope for our rookies would in turn make one year additions make more sense. Some good ones have been mentioned above. If the short term replacements earn a spot, all the better. Often, we give longer contracts to guys to lock young guys in. We might do that. 

Finally, I really believe it is very hard to find big men that can play in Carlisle's very effective system. So, there is no sense in investing assets in guys unless they meet Rick's criteria.

(01-22-2020, 12:48 PM)LukstapsPorzingic Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be happy with Dieng. Definitely overpaid, but it's only a two year deal and we won't have cap space next year either way. He's better at all the things we I tend to complain about with Powell (defense, rebounding, 3 PT shooting).

I don't see a realistic way to land RoCo along with him. I would still target Marvin Williams for a 2nd instead.

Dieng would help us. But considering his contract, he's the type of player you get paid to take in trade, so if you aren't getting back RoCo, Minnie would usually tip you something else. Now the Mavs have to make that call with the Wolves knowing that the Mavs don't have any leverage. The asset management is not going to be good for the Mavs.

I just noticed that Tristan won't fit into our trade exception. Damn! I'm inclined to say, just give the Cavs Lee and Jackson and the Utah 2nd and be done with it. But I would also before doing have a sit-down with RC to tell him to play nice with TT so that we can re-sign him in the offseason. We're going to need him. I think the Mavs have chessed themselves out of the serious possibility of having 2021 cap room, but that's okay - just do what you can to acquire movable assets, and if Giannis wants to come here, you can Brogdon for him.

Day t-minus 16 and counting.

(01-22-2020, 12:44 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]True. But do you believe that the Mavs can get by with the acquisition of just one spot big? Just an honest question I'd like answered.

I think you're right that two would be better. We need a rotation big, and we need what we already needed, a big defender who can play situational minutes. But it probably depends on the cost, right? I think we're still playing the long game, at least, I would be. I don't think we should, or will, lose trades in a rush to cover for DP. If we can't get what we need at the right price then we may just have to play a wing at the 4 with KP at the 5. So the additional playing time maybe goes to the disgruntled Mr. Wright, which I wouldn't mind at all. I like Delon.

(01-22-2020, 12:44 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I know I'm doing the Chicken Little bit to some extent, but this team is in a bad situation - we need two bigs, and all the other teams in the league know that they have us over a barrel and will milk us for what used to be throw-in players (e.g. Dieng and Dedmon). You are one of DP's biggest defenders here, so you ought to know what a bad situation we're in moving forward this year (and probably a good chunk of the next) without him. Before the DP injury, we needed another reliable scorer, another big, and another starting-caliber perimeter defender. We knew we weren't going to fill all of those holes with the assets that we had. Now we need an additional big and have precipitously less leverage with trade partners.

Yeah, I agree, this is a really tough loss. We have big needs (pun intended)! I hope the Mavs I don't give into our perceived lack of leverage (if that's what teams perceive). I'm building the right way and not making a freak out move. 

(01-22-2020, 12:44 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Part of what has me upset is that I like Curry and Wright and sort of like Brunson. RC has alienated Wright and doghoused Brunson.

I don't think this is true. There are limited minutes and Curry, Brunson and Wright play behind Luka and THJ, who have both earned featured roles. Being a back up pg to a 35 mpg pg doesn't mean you've been doghoused. And those 3 splitting what's left over from Luka's and THJ's minutes based on matchups isn't being doghoused or alienated, it's just how basketball go. 

How would you divvy up 48 minus Luka and THJ minutes between those 3?

Why not just let KP do the pick and roll with Luka, instead of Powell? And let Maxi sit outside shooting the 3? He shoots them better than KP anyway.

KP/Maxi - That's Max defense.

KP would really dominate more like this, and we would solve the defensive issues as well. He can roll to the rim even better than Powell I would say.

The bench needs to be solved for sure. We need to add a big or even two bigs for the bench. I would just let KP/Maxi as starters, and instead trade for some depth for the bench and in case KP should be more injured. Preferably defenisve bigs. Since they would play together with Bobi, that really is great on offense. So I would add athletic bigs with defensive skills, not any major additions or great two way players.

Although I have really started to like and understand what Powell brings as pick and rolll and rolling the rim. I have to say this may open up this team even more now that he is injured. Because we may start to see Luka and KP now making pick and roll. And this is exactly where we always projected them to be unstoppable, and this is exactly where they will develop the chemistry the most. KP needs to set better screens, if that is developed, look out for them to dominate. Maxi will knock them down from the outside. Need some bigs to anchor the bench defense and let Bobi dominate on offense for bench unit.

Don't get me wrong, im not happy at all that Powell is injured. But I do see some things can develop that would never have otherwise. And the team needs to adjust, and whenever that happens it can create opportunities for new schemes and chemistry etc.

I also wouldn't change plans if they were not targeting big anyway. A cheap vet like Noah or Faried or perhaps a flyer on a buried on bench young like Hernangomez or Hartenstein.

(01-22-2020, 01:09 PM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]Why not just let KP do the pick and roll with Luka, instead of Powell? And let Maxi sit outside shooting the 3? He shoots them better than KP anyway.

KP/Maxi - That's Max defense.

KP would really dominate more like this, and we would solve the defensive issues as well. He can roll to the rim even better than Powell I would say.

The bench needs to be solved for sure. We need to add a big or even two bigs for the bench. I would just let KP/Maxi as starters, and instead trade for some depth for the bench and in case KP should be more injured.

Given DFS''s defensive exposure last night, I'd say we need to fix the starting lineup first, but I'm not sure that's possible.

A Luka/KP pick and roll is not going to be a thing unless the Mavs give up entirely on this year in the effort to make it happen, because KP is one of the worst roll men in the league as documented earlier this year on the board. The effort to develop a Luka/KP PNR would wreck any chemistry the team has now for the rest of the year and likely cause us to lose over half of the rest of our games (but not likely fall out the playoffs, as the competition below us in the standings is pretty weak). If, as Fif says, the goal is the long view, then perhaps that's the thing to do.

Or Patton from OKC. Let's take Roberson in TPE and Patton as "award".

(01-22-2020, 01:20 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-22-2020, 01:09 PM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]Why not just let KP do the pick and roll with Luka, instead of Powell? And let Maxi sit outside shooting the 3? He shoots them better than KP anyway.

KP/Maxi - That's Max defense.

KP would really dominate more like this, and we would solve the defensive issues as well. He can roll to the rim even better than Powell I would say.

The bench needs to be solved for sure. We need to add a big or even two bigs for the bench. I would just let KP/Maxi as starters, and instead trade for some depth for the bench and in case KP should be more injured.

Given DFS''s defensive exposure last night, I'd say we need to fix the starting lineup first, but I'm not sure that's possible.

A Luka/KP pick and roll is not going to be a thing unless the Mavs give up entirely on this year in the effort to make it happen, because KP is one of the worst roll men in the league as documented earlier this year on the board. The effort to develop a Luka/KP PNR would wreck any chemistry the team has now for the rest of the year and likely cause us to lose over half of the rest of our games (but not likely fall out the playoffs, as the competition below us in the standings is pretty weak). If, as Fif says, the goal is the long view, then perhaps that's the thing to do.

I have hard time believing that. KP is so athletic even more than Powell. What the issue is, is not rolling. The issue is that he doesnt set the screen well initially. I think this should be practiced immediately now. If that is fixed, you get even better at PnR than before with Powell.

Besides, we have seen that Maxi does is very well as well. Could be he doing it as well and KP being on the outside.

Its not like we will not adjust to this, for sure the team has skills do do it. We won many games with Powell being out, that was the longest streak this season if im not wrong, so its not like im worried at all. But we need some depth for sure.

(01-22-2020, 01:15 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I also wouldn't change plans if they were not targeting big anyway. A cheap vet like Noah or Faried or perhaps a flyer on a buried on bench young like Hernangomez or Hartenstein.

If the MBT weren't targeting a big, then the ten games before last night say hi, smh. For this year and the next (with Powell still recovering), the Mavs will need a big for the long term, and one to help fill in.

Covington + Lee + GSW #2 —> Sixers
Wright + Jackson + Zhaire Smith —> Wolves
Horford —> Mavs

Roco and Dieng for Lee, Curry, Wright, Jackson, and the GSW 2nd. Then take Snell into the TPE for a future second to replace Curry. Sign another big off the scrap heap.

Luka-Brunson
THJ-Snell
RoCo-DFS
KP-Maxi
Dieng-Maxi-Bobi-spot big

Works for me.

I too have long wondered about the Luka/KP pick and roll or maybe the pick and pop more like Dirk/Jet or best of all, both. I did check out the earlier discussion about lack of evidence that KP is good at this. I wonder if the Mavs know that is not going to be a thing or if these skills are on the to be developed over time list. Maybe they already work on this in practice. 

The KP development with Luka and otherwise seems to me to be the most critical issue for Mavs both this year and for the future. There is so much to watch for and yes, there is a bit to fear as well. Your Max guys determine so much about team success. 

For now, it is very interesting to see the annual talent acquisition bonanza we call the trade deadline.

I would be intrigued by this Bulls/Mavs trade proposed by a Bulls Blog.

https://dawindycity.com/2020/01/19/chica...vericks/3/

Lauri Markaknen & Cristiano Felicio for Lee's Expiring and a 1st.

Quote:Chicago would make this deal because, not only are they getting rid of Felicio’s contract, they also inherit that $12 million expiring contract in Lee. In total, they’re opening up about $25 million in cap space when this summer hits by making this trade.

Oh, and they get another first-round pick to work with. So, the Bulls deal an underwhelming Markkanen (yes, underwhelming) but get another first-round pick and tons more cap space going forward.

I think the Mavs/Carlisle could revive LM's career. Let's face it, standing there and watching DeVine play as a homeless man's James Harden has to suck. Felicio is a thrown in big body.

(01-22-2020, 12:40 PM)JamesConway Wrote: [ -> ]maybe Willy Hernangomez?