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(11-13-2020, 03:38 AM)juanc Wrote: [ -> ]I need to add my part on the Hayes debate(and connecting the dots around him

Welcome! 

Great post! Thank you! You should post more!

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Quote:Draft prospect Killian Hayes has worked out for the Magic, league sources tell Mike Vorkunov of The Athletic. Though the Magic own the No. 15 pick, and there is a good chance that Hayes will be gone by then, the team has several players it could package to move up.

(11-13-2020, 03:38 AM)juanc Wrote: [ -> ]Hi guys. 

I've been reading the forum for a long time now and I really love the debate here, so I just had to join 

I need to add my part on the Hayes debate(and connecting the dots around him).  So let me present you Jaka Lakovič:

Lakovič is the Head coach of Ulm.


But he is also the assistant of the Slovenian NT.

Speaking about some inside info, I think all of you know where I am going with this..

 That the Suns still took Ayton over Doncic despite having the headcoach of the Slovenian NT?  

For an allegedly deep, but top-weak, draft there are a lot of moving up rumours.

(11-13-2020, 08:04 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]For an allegedly deep, but top-weak, draft there are a lot of moving up rumours.

It looks like everyone wants to be somewhere in the 6-12 spots. Top picks want to trade down and get assets while bottom ones want to move up. The question for me is, what will happen with the remaining picks once those spots 6-12 are gone? What value will remaining picks have?

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It looks to me like following guys are seen as sure picks in the 1-12 range in most mocks (in no particular order):
- Hayes, Edwards, Ball, Avdija, Okongwu, Wiseman, Vassell, Okoro, Haliburton, Toppin, Williams

Thats eleven guys most anaylsts see in the top of the draft, so we could conclude they are seen as most sure prospects and there are probably not really big differences in value between them. Some have high ceiling, but big question marks if they can reach it. Some know how to play but are not so athletic,... Based on this I guess price to move from lower position to get one of those guys would be substantial. 

After this group comes a huge group of players that have nice positives in some areas but bigger or lower question marks in others. Based on this it might be relatively cheaper to trade up once those guys are gone. What do you think?

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(11-13-2020, 08:04 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]That the Suns still took Ayton over Doncic despite having the headcoach of the Slovenian NT?

Ayton was safe bet for everyone involved in Phoenic. Owner wanted him, fans wanted him. If they would draft Doncic and he would get injured in the first month, while Ayton would be performing, GM and coach would be publicly linched. In the situation as it is, everyone is still satisfied in Phoenix. I think it was a very basic risk management strategy.

5 days until the draft.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jo...0498393345

This is a great breakdown of the top 10. I don't agree with everything here, but Duncan is one of the smartest people in the NBA Community, imo. Well worth the listen.

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/...0811377665

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Quote:Sean Deveney of Heavy.com hears that the Celtics also have their eye on a potential target in the top 10. Sources tell Deveney that Boston has been “enamored with” Auburn forward Isaac Okoro all year and that he would be the target if the team trades up. The C’s would also be happy to see who falls to them at their current spot, Deveney adds.

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Quote:Multiple reports this week have indicated that the Cavaliers appear to be zeroing in on Israeli wing Deni Avdija and Dayton forward Obi Toppin with the fifth overall pick in next Wednesday’s draft.

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Quote:There’s a widespread belief that LaMelo Ball, Anthony Edwards, and James Wiseman will be the first three players to come off the board in the 2020 NBA draft, in some order.

I genuinely think that the Timberwolves desperately want to trade the number 1 pick but have resigned themselves to selecting Edwards if a suitable trade partner is not found. That's not earth-shattering, given how many reports have been made about the top 2 teams wanting out of their positions.

(11-13-2020, 02:25 PM)903Mavs Wrote: [ -> ]I genuinely think that the Timberwolves desperately want to trade the number 1 pick but have resigned themselves to selecting Edwards if a suitable trade partner is not found. That's not earth-shattering, given how many reports have been made about the top 2 teams wanting out of their positions.

Agreed. From everything I've picked up, it seems like the issue is that they're trying to get the same value for the pick that they would if Zion or Luka was there. Obviously, it's not worth that much. 

I feel like if Minnesota makes a pick at #1 for themselves, it will be because they overplayed their hand significantly.

(11-12-2020, 04:25 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]If there’s anything to mad about with last summer it’s the Wright signing - something they DID, not anything they DIDN’T do

And the COMPLETELY unnecessary and overpriced Powell extension.


And the full egg on face bungle and subsequent waste of time trade with the Heat.

I was fine with the Wright signing given the circumstances THEY put THEMSELVES in.

(11-13-2020, 03:35 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]And the COMPLETELY unnecessary and overpriced Powell extension.

And the full egg on face bungle and subsequent waste of time trade with the Heat.

Was the Powell extension last off season? For some reason I thought it was the year before. Either way, while I'm not trying to get into another drawn out conversation about that contract (in the draft thread, no less. Sorry we keep doing this @"Kammrath"), let me just restate that I definitely don't view that extension as a mistake. Before the injury, I would've done it 10/10 times. I had no issues with it at all, and I think he's VASTLY underrated by the people of this community. 

Now, the Miami trade thing, on the other hand? I forgot about that, and I'll meet you halfway on that one. "Bungle" is a great word for it, and while I don't think we know for sure just what happened, I can enthusiastically agree that it wasn't a great look for the franchise or a particularly productive use of their time. That's a good one.

(11-13-2020, 04:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry we keep doing this @Kammrath

(11-13-2020, 04:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Before the injury, I would've done it 10/10 times.

You would have extended Powell a year early 10/10 times? The unnecessary part was WHY? Why did they HAVE to do it? Why is Powell so important that we HAD to make sure we didn’t let him get to FA? 


That was the discussion I was more interested in at the time of it happening. Yes, I still think it is an overpay, but that wasn’t the biggest issue with the transaction in my view.

(11-13-2020, 04:44 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-13-2020, 04:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Before the injury, I would've done it 10/10 times.

You would have extended Powell a year early 10/10 times? The unnecessary part was WHY? Why did they HAVE to do it? Why is Powell so important that we HAD to make sure we didn’t let him get to FA?


That was the discussion I was more interested in at the time of it happening. Yes, I still think it is an overpay, but that wasn’t the biggest issue with the transaction in my view.

DP was already overpaid before the extension, and the extension of course gave him raises. I think that what he brings to the court is worth about $5 mil a year, perhaps $6 at a reach. Is all of his community/locker room/citizen stuff worth another $5 mil a year? Not to me it isn't.

(11-13-2020, 05:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-13-2020, 04:44 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-13-2020, 04:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Before the injury, I would've done it 10/10 times.

You would have extended Powell a year early 10/10 times? The unnecessary part was WHY? Why did they HAVE to do it? Why is Powell so important that we HAD to make sure we didn’t let him get to FA?


That was the discussion I was more interested in at the time of it happening. Yes, I still think it is an overpay, but that wasn’t the biggest issue with the transaction in my view.

DP was already overpaid before the extension, and the extension of course gave him raises. I think that what he brings to the court is worth about $5 mil a year, perhaps $6 at a reach. Is all of his community/locker room/citizen stuff worth another $5 mil a year? Not to me it isn't.

I think if Kleber is a solid contract, the same contract for Powell would be solid too. So IMO, I think it's a $2M overpay. At the time though, I had NO clue why they gave him an extension. You extend stars, not role players.

(11-13-2020, 06:35 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/swishcultures_/statu...5977361410

You've gotta admit @"Kammrath", he's got a nice, high release. It's a little slow, and I don't like the way he brings the ball down as he prepares, but that's a defender who can play and contribute immediately, and who is almost guaranteed to be at #18.

Quote:Florida State guard Devin Vassell, ranked 11th by ESPN, has worked out for a handful of teams, Steve Popper of Newsday tweets. Vassell said he’s visited with the Knicks, Warriors, Celtics, Hawks and Magic. The presence of the Hawks (No. 6 pick) and Knicks (No. 8) suggest Vassell could go in the Top 10. Golden State’s interest is intriguing, suggesting Vassell could be a target if it trades down from the No. 2 pick.

French point guard Theo Maledon has worked out for three Atlantic Division clubs as well as the Spurs, Brian Lewis of the New York Post tweets. The Nets (19th pick), Celtics (three first-rounders) and Raptors (No. 29) have also taken a look at Maledon, who is rated 24th overall by ESPN.

As of Thursday, the Pelicans were the only team to host Tyrese Maxey, Rod Beard of the Detroit News tweets. The Kentucky shooting guard is 14th on ESPN’s list and New Orleans holds the 13th pick, so its interest late in the lottery makes sense.

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(11-13-2020, 06:42 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]You've gotta admit @Kammrath, he's got a nice, high release.

So let me add my 2 cents on this years draft. I am from Europe(Slovenia), so I haven't really watched NCAA games, but my "scouting" comes from games I've been able to found on YT, and games highlights.

My favourite prospect in this years draft is Tyrese Haliburton. I just love how he plays at his own pace. It is an important thing to watch for all the prospects who are projected to be the best player on a team. I love his frame and athleticism. He is more of a finesse player, but when he gets some muscle it's going to be easier for him IMO. I also think that he is going to be a good/great defender in the NBA. I think he'll be a good/great shooter, even if his mechanics are a bit off.
I think he will be a top3 player in this draft when it's all said and done. My comp for him would be an even better Malcolm Brogdon, wich is a great player. If the Mavs somehow trade up and get him(since he was working out for them) I think he would be a drem fit for this team. But the chances of getting him are slim...

Now the guy for me, if the Mavs keep the #18, is Josh Green. I know that he is not the most popular pick here, but let me explain you why I think he'd be great for the Mavs.
Let me first say that I realy like his athleticism. He is a very agile and fluid athlete, I would say that he is elite in those areas. He's explosive, great at decelerating and at switching directions. That's what I think is very importatnt for a good defender, to bo able to quickly adjust to the offensive player you are guarding(specially 1on1 D). He also has nice height for a guy I think will be able to guard 1-3 in the NBA. He has a PG's speed and agility in a SG/small wing body.
He also has a great frame, and I think that he could and should put on some real strenght. He is a late bloomer IMO and the game will get easier for him once he gets stronger(especially his core strenght).(I saw this when he was driving to the basket, he was kind of avoiding the contact, I would say a big reason for that is his weak/er core. Guys like Okoro for, example, use that strenght when they play defense against college competition, but it won't be that "easy" against grown men in the NBA) But again, I think he has a great frame, and should easily put some muscle/get stronger there. He probably won't be Kawhi/Luka/Harden strong, but he'll be just fine. And the thing I like most about his defense is the motor/effort. He said that he LOVES to play defense. And thats what I would love for the Mavs to get. We all want a dog, so let's get a puppy!    
When it comes to his team defense, I think he'll be just fine there. Listening to the interview with Mike Schmitz, he understands the strenghts of his teammates and the concepts. He'll be just fine there. Oh and BTW, comparing his advanced stats to other 1st round prospects(who are good/great defenders) DWS and DBPM
Josh Green(DWS= 1.9; DBPM= 4.1)
Devin Vassell(DWS = 1.7; DBPM= 4.2)
Isaac Okoro(DWS= 1.1; DBPM= 2.5)
Patrick Williams(DWS= 1.3; DBPM= 3.2)
Saddiq Bey(DWS= 1.3; DBPM= 1.9)
Robert Woodard(DWS= 1.3; DBPM= 1.9)
Desmond Bane(DWS= 1.9, DBPM= 2.6)
source: sport-refference.com

I like his shot and I think that he's going to be a good shooter(AT LEAST a 19/20 season Dodo like shooter). He also has a nice touch on his floater, and once he gets stronger it'll be easier for him to drive to the basket. He also isn't a black hole on offense and he can share the ball, make the extra pass and so on... He was top20 in PAC12 in AST%(and he had the lowest USG%). He would also be nice for the transition game, since the Mavs vere 23rd in points scored in tranisition if I'm not wrong.

So all in all I am really high on him. If everything clicks for him, I see him as an elite defender(all defensive teams), while being what we all wish THJ would be on offense, and that's a great pickup at #18.

PS - Here you have his interview with Mike Schmitz, I realy like what I hear from him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm_WWQcy1WA&t=993s