(10-22-2020, 04:27 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]BTW, I wonder why the Tankathon folks haven't redone their big board (and thus their mock) for two months now. If they don't do so before the draft, it would be pretty negligent on their part. As Kamm has said, this draft is going to be cray-cray.
Don´t see a reason why they should make big changes to their mock draft. We did not have an NCAA tournament or any big international tournament. Workouts and combines just started.
Right now changes in mock drafts are mostly based on rumors and tape. Quickley for example moved up in quit a few mock drafts. Why? Because he worked out for the Mavs. Is that really enough to warrant him moving up from 45-50 to 30-35?
In my opinion it does not make a lot of sense to update the boards on a daily basis. Right now it is nearly impossible to make any predictions (at least for people without any inside information).
(10-22-2020, 05:08 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get the love on Woodard
He is a 6'7" player with a 7'1" wingspan who guarded 1-5 at times and his opponents shot only 32.3% against him on all shots attempts. That is one of the best in the NCAA.
Sure, his ceiling is only a starter level 3&D player, but his floor isn't much lower than that. I'll take that for a 2nd round pick.
(10-22-2020, 05:29 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 05:08 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get the love on Woodard
He is a 6'7" player with a 7'1" wingspan who guarded 1-5 at times and his opponents shot only 32.3% against him on all shots attempts. That is one of the best in the NCAA.
Sure, his ceiling is only a starter level 3&D player, but his floor isn't much lower than that. I'll take that for a 2nd round pick.
What? I don't have him starting ever for a championship team. To me his CEILING is post-injury Rudy Gay (SAS). Agree to disagree here.
I think we are all having the same issue a lot NBA teams will have at draft time.
How much have these players improved since they last played over 6 months a go?
Especially true for the youngest players.
Lots of rumours floating around about players improving their shooting (or going full Fultz on their shooting action).
Have they improved their strength, fitness, skills???
Have they developed an attitude issue after 6 months of their agent telling them how awesome they are?
Or improved a perceived attitude issue?
Have they had COVID and how has\will that affect their fitness?
Teams\fans have had 18 months to pick over players perceived issues.
Player scouting is going to be even more important this draft.
(10-22-2020, 05:08 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 04:27 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]My second-biggest fear is that Toppin falls and the Mavs take him. Hopefully Donnie is smarter than that. I'd be less devastated if they blew the pick on Aleksej. The biggest fear is that we reach on McDaniels, who I don't think is going to pan out as an NBA player at all.
Why is that? He won't fall, but Mavs can't pass on a top-5 talent like that when we're picking at #18. He would immediately start and fill the hole we have at PF. After watching videos, I'm less scared of McDaniels than I am on Poku.
PS: I don't get the love on Woodard (Post-injury/SAS Rudy Gay ceiling) and Reed (work ethic ? I heard he was a locker room problem on DePaul). I know we are in a glaring need of a SF/PF but unfortunately, this draft just doesn't have talent at the wing/forward position besides the top.
Immediately starting? You talking about Toppin? The guy whose college game declaims that he is not going to be physically able to guard a single conceivable NBA player?
Guys who cannot play *any* defense like that don't start for good teams in the 2020s. Amare, who Toppin is not as good as, might not even start in today's NBA. Let New York draft Toppin. Drafting and starting Toppin is like (in the other thread) trading for and starting Drummond. Makes no sense unless we're tanking next year. If Toppin makes a name for himself in the L, it will be as a sixth man.
As you all can see, I'm very high on Terry - but that has everything to do with his reported growth. Prior to that, he looked like the guard version of Toppin - would struggle to guard anyone in the league. I am presuming that his combine and workouts will unveil whole new dimensions to his potentialities, but we don't get to see those. We will see how he turns out in the league, and if he is someone who the Mavs should have traded up for, or drafted at 18, if they didn't, or if he struggles in the league because of the lack of defense. I think he's going to be fantastic on offense regardless.
Not as high on Toppin as well. Maybe he used the corona break to work on his body but take a look at the game vs Kansas. He looked like a child compared to Azubuike. Couldn´t do anything to stop him. Azubuike scored 29pts on 80% FG. He is talented but based on his college performance he is not a win now player. If he falls the Mavs should obviously still take him based on upside alone but I do not expect him to drop out of the top 10.
(10-22-2020, 08:58 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I'm very high on Terry
How is he not just a poor man's Trae Young?
(10-22-2020, 10:43 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 08:58 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I'm very high on Terry
How is he not just a poor man's Trae Young?
2 inches taller (since the growth spurt)?
I don't watch too many videos outside of Hoop Intellect's collection, tbqh, but he had that comment about his BBIQ being "off the charts," which, duh, he goes to Stanford. Like Powell. Powell's BBIQ is about the only thing I like about him, because he doesn't have an NBA body. Terry may have just grown into one.
(10-22-2020, 05:08 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2020, 04:27 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]My second-biggest fear is that Toppin falls and the Mavs take him. Hopefully Donnie is smarter than that. I'd be less devastated if they blew the pick on Aleksej. The biggest fear is that we reach on McDaniels, who I don't think is going to pan out as an NBA player at all.
Why is that? He won't fall, but Mavs can't pass on a top-5 talent like that when we're picking at #18. He would immediately start and fill the hole we have at PF. After watching videos, I'm less scared of McDaniels than I am on Poku.
PS: I don't get the love on Woodard (Post-injury/SAS Rudy Gay ceiling) and Reed (work ethic ? I heard he was a locker room problem on DePaul). I know we are in a glaring need of a SF/PF but unfortunately, this draft just doesn't have talent at the wing/forward position besides the top.
Re: Reed:
https://youtu.be/Li7Ty1vrPJ4
Powell's BBIQ is about the only thing I like about him.
Show me on the doll where Dwight touched you.
(10-22-2020, 08:58 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Immediately starting? You talking about Toppin? The guy whose college game declaims that he is not going to be physically able to guard a single conceivable NBA player?
Guys who cannot play *any* defense like that don't start for good teams in the 2020s. Amare, who Toppin is not as good as, might not even start in today's NBA. Let New York draft Toppin. Drafting and starting Toppin is like (in the other thread) trading for and starting Drummond. Makes no sense unless we're tanking next year. If Toppin makes a name for himself in the L, it will be as a sixth man.
I get your point, but if Drummond fell to #18 (very rare to draft an All-Star here) wouldn't you rather draft him as BPA, knowing he'll be a solid starter than take chances on busts/role players because of fit? And yes, Toppin would start in almost any team that draft him. Yes, his cloeouts and perimeter defense are awful, but he was the anchor of the most efficient (and most similar to the NBA) offense.
(10-23-2020, 10:07 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I am very sold on this guy. Don't care which pick, but we should bring him.
https://theathletic.com/2153018/2020/10/...-prospect/
Bane has a lot going for him, but does he have the quickness to defend 1's? That's really what we need next to Luka.
https://www.thestepien.com/2020/04/06/de...ng-report/
Quote:[b]Potential Switchability: [/b]Bane should be able to defend most 2s and 3s seamlessly without help. Bane is not super quick twitch, but he has pretty quick hips, has great anticipation, uses his strength to keep guys from their spot if they do get the initial step, and does a nice job staying locked in on his assignment – he’s not going to give up on plays. [b]However, [/b]quicker guards can get the better of Bane in space – the solid hip flips help, but Bane is not particularly quick laterally, which quicker PGs can exploit.
Bane has SUPER poor length (6'4" wingspan would be one of the smaller ones in the whole NBA...smaller than CP3 for instance) AND doesn't have lateral quickness. Two inherent deficiencies next to Luka on D are not what the Mavs need.
I know he was a good defender in college, but NBA athletes are....
![[Image: Qjp.gif]](https://i.gifer.com/Qjp.gif)
https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/...0478094337
So where the hell are the rest of the combine numbers? Like Terry's?
(10-23-2020, 01:16 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Bane has SUPER poor length (6'4" wingspan would be one of the smaller ones in the whole NBA...smaller than CP3 for instance)
Yes, but if what is written in that article is true, I see a new Lowry. Worst case, he is a solid and cheap back up. He and Brunson should really be a trouble for opposing teams. Plus he is ready to play from day 1.
Btw - do you know Jimmy Butler has a "neutral" wingspan? I guess not everything is in body measures.
(10-23-2020, 02:22 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2020, 01:16 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Bane has SUPER poor length (6'4" wingspan would be one of the smaller ones in the whole NBA...smaller than CP3 for instance)
Yes, but if what is written in that article is true, I see a new Lowry. Worst case, he is a solid and cheap back up. He and Brunson should really be a trouble for opposing teams. Plus he is ready to play from day 1.
Btw - do you know Jimmy Butler has a "neutral" wingspan? I guess not everything is in body measures.
If he can be beaten off the dribble (alleged lateraly quickness problem) and has no length to recover, what is he supposed to do on defense. Long arms blocks shots, pathways and disrupt passing lanes. If you are a "midget", you better have soccer feet to dance around and stay in front of people. That´s before we get to the problem of short arms on offense.
(10-23-2020, 02:22 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]do you know Jimmy Butler has a "neutral" wingspan?
Butler was measured in 2011 as 6'6" w/o shoes and 6'7.5" in wingspan. He is +1.5. That is a pretty small plus on wingspan for an NBA player, but it is FAR from -2.0 that Bane has.
NOTE: I am not saying that wingspan is everything, but it is MORE important than height (since you do not play defense with your forehead). Wingspan is the true indication of how big a player will play. Bane will play like a small guard in the NBA. The 6'6" height must not deceive anyone on that. He will be a small guard.
(10-23-2020, 02:20 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]So where the hell are the rest of the combine numbers? Like Terry's?
They aren't being shared by the NBA yet (Tre Jones is literally the first I have seen). Trust me I am looking daily.
(10-23-2020, 02:43 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Butler was measured in 2011 as 6'6" w/o shoes and 6'7.5" in wingspan. He is +1.5. That is a pretty small plus on wingspan for an NBA player, but it is FAR from -2.0 that Bane has.
This source says otherwise, I guess they measured him in shoes. Is Bane 6-6 with or without shoes?
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmy-Butler-6315/