I'm more and more intrigued by Bane. I've been kind of on board with @"Kammrath"'s assessment so far, but the people who like him REALLY, REALLY like him. Some of them are people I respect.
I honestly don't care whether the Mavs draft him, but I'm pretty interested to see where he goes.
(11-08-2020, 04:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I'm more and more intrigued by Bane. I've been kind of on board with @"Kammrath"'s assessment so far, but the people who like him REALLY, REALLY like him. Some of them are people I respect.
I honestly don't care whether the Mavs draft him, but I'm pretty interested to see where he goes.
If we do not trade up for Haliburton, I really hope we draft Bane at 18. Either of these outcomes would be amazing at guard position, either of the two would make us much better. Haliburton has clearly more vision, playmaking, creativity, making the unexpected big play out of nothing. Bane is stronger, consistent, both elite shooters. Both are good defenders with plenty of potential.
Cant wait for the draft and the season to start!
Chad Ford Mock has us taking Bolmero at 18.
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This mock draft from
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has the Mavs taking Leandro Bolmaro 18th overall, while passing on guys like Tyrese Maxey, Tyrell Terry, Aleksej Pokusevski, Desmond Bane, Cole Anthony and Josh Green.
Give Bolmaro at 31, not 18.
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(11-08-2020, 06:38 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Chad Ford Mock has us taking Bolmero at 18.
LOL.
Bolmaro legit at #mid 30's earyly 40's pick. Good rotational player for NBA team but not much about him says starter team quality.
(11-08-2020, 06:38 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Chad Ford Mock has us taking Bolmero at 18.
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Not inserting myself into a conversation about Bolmero, because I think I agree, but THIS dude, "All Things Mavs"...if he's the same guy who makes those youtube videos then he's not my favorite local Mavs guy. That's the nicest way I can say it. There are 20-30 people here who understand the Mavs and NBA more than he does (if it's the same guy).
Tim Cato's article today lists his wishlist at #18 for the Mavericks. His board, in order:
- Bane
- Nesmith
- SBey
- Green
I guess he reads the other community I'm in, because every single poster there, almost without exception, is convinced Bane is the absolute point of having a pick in this draft. I honestly think some of them would take him at #10 if they could.
It's crazy. People who like him REALLY like him.
Also, a group of the Athletic writers have a (top 10) mock out today, and while those are kind of pointless to me (rarely anything above speculation) I find this one interesting, as it's the first one I've seen in quite a while where Vassell does NOT go at #10 or higher.
Vassell is the exact kind of 3&D player this board is asking for, and imo, he has the highest star potential of anyone the Mavs have any sort of realistic shot at trading up to get. I think they can get to #14 if they really want to, and I'm starting to think there's a slight chance he's there.
The only three (realistic) Mavs targets in this draft that I'm convinced could play THIS year AND be an investment for the future are:
Vassell
SBey
Nesmith
I would be thrilled with any one of those, but I would LOVE Vassell.
I'm not that high on Bane. To me he's an effort player. Doesn't have the tools to succeed on a larger scale. My comparison for him is Alex Caruso. Does the right things and all, but doesn't have a high ceiling to draft him at #18 that others do.
If we succeed in finding a bruiser PF (defense/rebound) as was reported in Free Agency, I'm very happy to throw everything we have to get Vassell. Perfect 3&D player to develop into our long-term core.
https://theathletic.com/2162937/2020/10/29/timberwolves-draft-smokescreens/?article_source=search&search_query=Timberwolves
Thought this was interesting for Mavs fans, and it furthers the point of "you can't believe anything at this time of year."
Seven months of draft preparations, film chewing and intelligence gathering has only ramped up the gamesmanship, but this is a tale as old as time. For Wolves fans, it has happened since birth. When the franchise was entering its first draft in 1989, then-coach Bill Musselman was high on a point guard from Texas-El Paso named Tim Hardaway. But prior to the draft, Muss was told by Warriors coach Don Nelson to be wary of Hardaway because his knees were an issue. Musselman took Nelson’s counsel to heart and chose a different point guard, Pooh Richardson, with the franchise’s first-ever draft pick.
Four spots later, at No. 14 overall, who did the Warriors select? Hardaway, who turned into a five-time All-Star and the quarterback of the Run TMC era in Golden State.
Several executives polled in the last few days pointed to the 2017 draft, when the Dallas Mavericks were believed to be high on French guard Frank Ntilikina at pick No. 9. Reports leaked prior to the draft of their intention to hire Ntilikina’s coach in France to coach their summer league team. And a photo of Mavs owner Mark Cuban visiting Ntilikina in France circulated in the weeks before the draft. Cuban’s GM? Donnie Nelson, Don’s son.
The Knicks ended up selecting Ntilikina with the eighth pick. The Mavs took Dennis Smith Jr. at No. 9, and there was belief that is who they wanted all along. There are countless other examples of subterfuge over the years, including former Hawks GM Danny Ferry going to extraordinary lengths in 2013 in an effort to get Giannis Antetokounmpo to fall to them at No. 17. Sometimes it “works” in the above cases of the Warriors and Mavericks. And sometimes it doesn’t. The Bucks grabbed the future MVP at No. 15.
Single digits - 9 days until the draft.
(11-09-2020, 12:33 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]https://theathletic.com/2162937/2020/10/29/timberwolves-draft-smokescreens/?article_source=search&search_query=Timberwolves
Thought this was interesting for Mavs fans, and it furthers the point of "you can't believe anything at this time of year."
Seven months of draft preparations, film chewing and intelligence gathering has only ramped up the gamesmanship, but this is a tale as old as time. For Wolves fans, it has happened since birth. When the franchise was entering its first draft in 1989, then-coach Bill Musselman was high on a point guard from Texas-El Paso named Tim Hardaway. But prior to the draft, Muss was told by Warriors coach Don Nelson to be wary of Hardaway because his knees were an issue. Musselman took Nelson’s counsel to heart and chose a different point guard, Pooh Richardson, with the franchise’s first-ever draft pick.
Four spots later, at No. 14 overall, who did the Warriors select? Hardaway, who turned into a five-time All-Star and the quarterback of the Run TMC era in Golden State.
Several executives polled in the last few days pointed to the 2017 draft, when the Dallas Mavericks were believed to be high on French guard Frank Ntilikina at pick No. 9. Reports leaked prior to the draft of their intention to hire Ntilikina’s coach in France to coach their summer league team. And a photo of Mavs owner Mark Cuban visiting Ntilikina in France circulated in the weeks before the draft. Cuban’s GM? Donnie Nelson, Don’s son.
The Knicks ended up selecting Ntilikina with the eighth pick. The Mavs took Dennis Smith Jr. at No. 9, and there was belief that is who they wanted all along.
So cute these highsight checkers players. I was saying at the time, that they weren´t in Europe in the summer of 2017 to watch Ntilikina. They were there to watch Doncic.
Then I recently saw a video of Terry Ronzone talking about Luka Doncic and the first time he ever heard and seen Doncic was at age 14 in a Real Madrid youth game. I´m like mofo how can you not know his name at that point. He was eight, when they wanted to play him against 14 year olds in Slovenia, because he was too goodfor all the other age groups. The difference in body maturity alone. That´s like having a six months year old destroy 4 year olds in a running competition. And you don´t know about this baby. That´s the whole point of your existence.
(11-09-2020, 12:12 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not that high on Bane. To me he's an effort player. Doesn't have the tools to succeed on a larger scale. My comparison for him is Alex Caruso.
I think the Bane to Caruso comparison is not fair to Caruso. I watched Caruso his whole college career and his athleticism popped at the college level (and still shines at the NBA level in moments) and he has at least a couple inches of length on Bane (if not more since Caruso was still growing when he was last measured).
But to your overall point, Bane does not stick out enough in the college setting to give me much hope about his game translating. Just my take.
(11-09-2020, 02:12 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2020, 12:12 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not that high on Bane. To me he's an effort player. Doesn't have the tools to succeed on a larger scale. My comparison for him is Alex Caruso.
I think the Bane to Caruso comparison is not fair to Caruso. I watched Caruso his whole college career and his athleticism popped at the college level (and still shines at the NBA level in moments) and he has at least a couple inches of length on Bane (if not more since Caruso was still growing when he was last measured).
But to your overall point, Bane does not stick out enough in the college setting to give me much hope about his game translating. Just my take.
To evaluate Bane on the existing evidence is fair, but we know almost nothing about 70% of this draft class. Wiseman played like three college games. None of us fans know what he did the last nine months. He could have delevoped a mid and long-range game like Kevin Durant.
Pokusevski could look like Ivan Drago. The fact that there haven´t been any recent videos of him (afaik) is highly suspicious to me. This gives me Dirk vibes, when Pitino wanted to lock him up in the Celtics basement until the draft.
He probably worked out for the Thunder, took his shirt off, and Presti was like: Everybody hand over their phones now. You get a sledge hammer, that camera over there and there, destroy them. Draw up the NDAs, you know blabbermouth over there.
I'm getting increasingly (and depressingly) resigned to the Mavs trading 18, at least. These rookies aren't going to have the normal learning curve of summer league and the extended off-season, and RC is allergic enough to rookies as it is additionally considering our need for immediate help. I just hope the trade is for something worthwhile. I'm not expecting a third star, but I am expecting a third-best player, which as I have said ad nauseam here, is brush-the-ground low-hanging fruit given this roster. And a trade for a guy who isn't a star whose contract extends past 2021 would likely be quite worse, imho, than just taking your best shot at the best available at 18.
Quote:And a trade for a guy who isn't a star whose contract extends past 2021 would likely be quite worse, imho, than just taking your best shot at the best available at 18.
@"Scott41theMavs" I think the Mavs would agree with your statement above, so I think you can hold out a little hope that they'll make a pick in the first round.
Maaaan it's heating up. Love this time of the year. Rumors and shit. So many scenarios. Any of you guys (that are intrested in the draft) want to chat on discord come draft day?
According to Jonathan Givony and what he's hearing:
1st tier is still Wiseman, Ball, Edwards
"After those three, the second tier includes Deni Avdija, Obi Toppin, Isaac Okoro, Tyrese Haliburton, Onyeka Okongwu and Patrick Williams. Those players appear likely to make up picks Nos. 4-9 in some order."
If this is how it shakes out, I'd be looking to trade anything and everything to move up for Killian Hayes.