MavsBoard

(11-12-2020, 07:22 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]

If only he could shoot, finish at the rim or at least be on an expiring contract.  

It would be worth it to watch the two passing magicians play with each other for 12 months. It´s been 12 years since the Ricky&Rudy show at Joventut.

Also is Rubio on 19M more difficult to trade than Wright on 9M?

(11-12-2020, 07:33 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2020, 07:22 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]

If only he could shoot, finish at the rim or at least be on an expiring contract.

It would be worth it to watch the two passing magicians play with each other for 12 months. It´s been 12 years since the Ricky&Rudy show at Joventut.

Also is Rubio on 19M more difficult to trade than Wright on 9M?

Did some checking - Rubio is still solid defensively, and had his best 3p% of his career this last year. If the Suns take Wright and we come away with 10, fair enough.

---

Box-and-one's final mock:

https://youtu.be/Z0Ob9i8VI80

Love his pick for the Mavs at 18. His 31 is a guy I suggested at 31 and no-one liked.

Actually, if we took Rubio to facilitate the trade, I would tell the Suns they had to take Wright regardless, the trade can't be consummated until draft day, and if we don't like who's available at 10, they give us Bridges instead.

I might consider taking Bridges as the price of our facilitation (taking on Rubio is a much bigger slice of facilitation than other things that have been suggested - we would be far more necessary to the trade) over anyone we could get at 10, except maybe Okongwu or Avdija.

Furtherfrickingmore, if we're taking Rubio off their hands and facilitating the deal, we keep 18.

So, KL, I guess what I'm saying is, I'm PREPARED - as long as the Mavs make a trade for Rubio that ends up being worth us trashing '21.

(11-12-2020, 07:52 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

---

Box-and-one's final mock:

https://youtu.be/Z0Ob9i8VI80

Love his pick for the Mavs at 18. His 31 is a guy I suggested at 31 and no-one liked.

I must have missed your post. Love the guy for us. One of the 4 I'd be THRILLED with us drafting at #31 (Quickley, Bey, Tillman, Mannion).

IGT, what? Are we trading Bobi back to the Clippers?

(11-12-2020, 04:14 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2020, 04:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]However, to commit the resources it seems like it would ACTUALLY take to move up high enough to get him (unless he falls much farther than we think) they’d have to be willing to commit to him in a way that could potentially slow this whole train down quite a bit. That’s the part that feeds my doubts. They’d have to LOVE him, not just like him.

Did you see my post at the very end of the 70th page of this thread?

I really think there is smoke about the Mavs and #10 if you connect the dots. Meaning I think that is the spot they think they can get to. One of the rumors yesterday talked about such a thing would be contingent on a guy the Mavs liking actually being there though. 

Let's go with that rumor for fun....

The Mavs would give up #18 + DFS to get there according to that rumor. I think Hayes can very realistically slide to #10 (assuming the DraftExpress guys are right). DFS is a lot to give up for the Mavs so you better LOVE the guy you are getting in return (like you said). But I also don't think giving up DFS in any way sets the Mavs backward in their move toward contending. 

P.S. I do think Hayes will need some time to develop his right hand and his spot up shooting, but I do think he can almost immediately contribute off the bench. I think he has been thrown in the fire enough in Europe to have gone through a lot of the growing pains. But again that right hand and that spot up shooting needs a LOT of improvement. 

P.P.S Adding the Givony quote for more context:

Quote:"Talking to teams, even behind Sacramento at 12, people have no idea where he's going," said Jonathan Givony on The Lowe Post. "You hear stuff from some of these teams that are in the late lottery, the mid first, the mid teens- it's hard to find any one team that's absolutely in love with Killian Hayes. His range is huge.

"Now apparently two of the teams that really like him the most, I don't know if he's at their top of their board but Chicago at four and Detroit at seven. You do hear some chatter there that's he's in the mix among four or five other guys. I don't know if he's going to get there. Maybe if there's some areas where these teams draft down, maybe then he's the guy. It wouldn't shock me if on draft night he fell out of the lottery altogether. I think he should be somewhere in that 10 to 15 mix, but I'm having a really hard time finding an actual home for him."

How far do we need to move up to be able to draft Hayes? No doubt this kid can play and will be a great player. Too many skills to not be valuable in the NBA.

I think its obvious he can read the plays and events before they happen, and to me this is probably the most important skill, one you cant teach later, just born with it.

He has some limitations. Cant use right hand, shooting. But he can play. He is one of the players that I feel will adjust no matter what in order to win. Id be happy if we can get Hayes, but I think its not realistic? He would be a great fit next to Luka. In many ways he has similar skillset to Luka, just not at Luka level. However, his passing is elite, and whenever you have two guards like this, the ball would flow and move so well on offense. His free throws are great, and that should translate to shooting in the NBA. Needs to work on 3 point shooting.

(11-12-2020, 07:21 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]This probably belongs on the Trade/FA thread, but sign me up for the Gospel According to Kamm as it relates to LaVine.  No Thanks.  Classic big (box score) numbers on bad teams guy who contributes little to winning...and ruins 2021 room.  With that said, Chicago expects more than our trash in return. 

Man, as far as his ability to score, he's efficient, that's got to mean more than just empty box scores. All I'm saying is he's a much better offensive option player than THJ before coming here. If all it takes is THJ and 2025 first to get him, color me intrigued, cause I think he can do much more than THJ did for us last year.

I've been all about defense all offseason long, I can't deny the need for another creator though, and LaVine would qualify IMO. He's not such a big name that you have to break the bank for him and he's still very young. Might be hard to coach the Min/Chi out of him though which might be an issue. 

As far as money in 21? Let's get the yes before we figure it out. Still ways to get to max (which if LaVine works out, we don't need max money anyway, we have our top 3 guys. We just need the money for the other 2 starters) with so much money out there and teams striking out on the big name targets.

If Powell proves to be at least useful, we can trade one of Curry, Kleber or DFS with him to get the right value to be a straight up trade for space and a 2nd. Then the other two can be traded for protected firsts and space.

---

(11-12-2020, 08:10 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]IGT, what? Are we trading Bobi back to the Clippers?

Just reversing the whip of KL's gif of Rubio, all in fun.

A move for LaVine, if possible, is the point of having space in 2021. You don’t hesitate to turn the page in that scenario. But, you’d still have years before all 3 of them were maxed, which would give you ample opportunity to make progress on the rest of your team building...defenders, role players, etc. 

It’s not Giannis, but it’s worth giving up on a 2021 max slot to do, imo.

EDIT: IF you’re convinced he’d be thrilled to come here and support Luka, working on his game as Carlisle sees fit. I assume he would be, but they’d need to know.

(11-12-2020, 08:30 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]EDIT: IF you’re convinced he’d be thrilled to come here and support Luka, working on his game as Carlisle sees fit. I assume he would be, but they’d need to know.

He played for the Wolves and Boylen, he´d probably be thrilled to play in Charlotte.

Seriously, all I read about him, is that he´s an incredibly hard worker, which could also mean that he has a very low defensive basketball IQ. And in this case a lack of trying (aka Harden) is probably better than a lack of understanding.

(11-12-2020, 07:21 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]This probably belongs on the Trade/FA thread, but sign me up for the Gospel According to Kamm as it relates to LaVine.  No Thanks.  Classic big (box score) numbers on bad teams guy who contributes little to winning...and ruins 2021 room.  With that said, Chicago expects more than our trash in return. 

I understand where you're coming from. I sorta feel the same way about Booker, and have doubts that he can be the #1 leader on a good team. But as a #3 who can score at will? I personally think you're underestimating his talent in the right situation. 

There's also no guarantee that he ruins 2021 cap room, unless you assume that THJ is the guy going out. But I do agree that I have a tough time seeing what Dallas can offer Chicago to get a deal done. Personally, I suspect it's just Duffy doing his thing talking up about how teams like Dallas are interested in his guys.

(11-12-2020, 09:16 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2020, 07:21 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]This probably belongs on the Trade/FA thread, but sign me up for the Gospel According to Kamm as it relates to LaVine.  No Thanks.  Classic big (box score) numbers on bad teams guy who contributes little to winning...and ruins 2021 room.  With that said, Chicago expects more than our trash in return. 

I understand where you're coming from. I sorta feel the same way about Booker, and have doubts that he can be the #1 leader on a good team. But as a #3 who can score at will? I personally think you're underestimating his talent in the right situation. 

There's also no guarantee that he ruins 2021 cap room, unless you assume that THJ is the guy going out. But I do agree that I have a tough time seeing what Dallas can offer Chicago to get a deal done. Personally, I suspect it's just Duffy doing his thing talking up about how teams like Dallas are interested in his guys.

As long as you got rid of one of Wright or Dwight... It wouldn't be too hard to clear cap space in 2021 with Kleber/Curry able to be sent away easily and a stretch waive at worst for the remaining Wright/Dwight. 

Also to the empty box score comment... I'd say it definitely was the case in the past. His offense plus minus #s have made huge strides the last few years. He's not the same player as a few years ago

Quote:BBL guard Killian Hayes, regarded as a high-level lottery prospect, has worked out for the Pistons, Rod Beard of the Detroit News tweets. The Pistons, lead by new GM Troy Weaver, have the No. 7 pick in next week’s 2020 draft, though they may consider trading up to secure a player they like.

The positional versatility of multifaceted 6’8″ Florida State forward Patrick Williams could intrigue Pistons front office brass. “I’m obviously trying to work as hard as I can every day,” Williams said during a call with reporters today, though he would not elaborate on the teams for whom he has worked out. “My agent and I are kind of keeping team workouts in-house and between us.” Multiple reports have suggested Detroit is high on Williams.

---

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/...1042805761

---

https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/statu...7115281408

(11-12-2020, 07:21 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2020, 03:50 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I believe that the root of the Mavs' debacle of an offseason was one gigantic fail in their judgment - believing that healthy Dwight Powell was a good enough player to start for a contending team, when binarily he wasn't good enough to start for an NBA team with an objective other than tanking.

Look, we get that Powell did your sister wrong (or something like that), but Al Gore didn't invent the internet and Powell didn't ruin the Mav's.

Powell didn't do my sister wrong. He's just caused more damage to my favorite sports team over the years than any player on roster since the late Roy Tarpley. That kinda tends to tick me off.

(11-12-2020, 11:07 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Powell didn't do my sister wrong. He's just caused more damage to my favorite sports team over the years than any player on roster since the late Roy Tarpley. That kinda tends to tick me off.

---

Is this the incident you're talking about, @"Scott41theMavs"?



I don't think Kleber was seriously hurt or anything.

(11-12-2020, 11:07 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Powell didn't do my sister wrong. He's just caused more damage to my favorite sports team over the years than any player on roster since the late Roy Tarpley. That kinda tends to tick me off.

One of our better players during our darkest Dirk-era timeline, who is a tireless worker that has maximized his potential, who carries on Dirk's legacy of work ethic, is not only a leader in our locker room, but also in the NBAPA and in our community who was rewarded with a slight overpay but modest contract who had the audacity to have an injury on the court is really equitable to Roy Tarpley. JFC

(11-13-2020, 12:16 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2020, 11:07 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Powell didn't do my sister wrong. He's just caused more damage to my favorite sports team over the years than any player on roster since the late Roy Tarpley. That kinda tends to tick me off.

One of our better players during our darkest Dirk-era timeline, who is a tireless worker that has maximized his potential, who carries on Dirk's legacy of work ethic, is not only a leader in our locker room, but also in the NBAPA and in our community who was rewarded with a slight overpay but modest contract who had the audacity to have an injury on the court is really equitable to Roy Tarpley. JFC

I was mostly joking, but also pushing back at Dan. Powell hasn't done anything wrong on his own. The damage to the franchise - and it has in fact been real damage - has come through Cuban, Donnie, and RC's usage of him. He's a sub-rotation player who was paid and played as a starter, taking minutes and roster space away from talented players who could have helped us win. The most damaging thing about him is the damned lie "Powell is good enough," when, oh hell no, he is not. And I used the phrase "damned lie" intentionally, because there are lies, there are damned lies, and here come the statistics...

(11-13-2020, 12:39 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]The most damaging thing about him is the damned lie "Powell is good enough," when, oh hell no, he is not. And I used the phrase "damned lie" intentionally, because there are lies, there are damned lies, and here come the statistics

No stats, but keep in mind, with that Rajon Rondo trade from Boston, Powell was the only value we got out of that. Im happy we got some return value with DP instead of No-Show player like Rondo. 

I don't like his defense especially for his size, but Powell works hard for what he does on rim running.

(11-13-2020, 12:39 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-13-2020, 12:16 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2020, 11:07 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Powell didn't do my sister wrong. He's just caused more damage to my favorite sports team over the years than any player on roster since the late Roy Tarpley. That kinda tends to tick me off.

One of our better players during our darkest Dirk-era timeline, who is a tireless worker that has maximized his potential, who carries on Dirk's legacy of work ethic, is not only a leader in our locker room, but also in the NBAPA and in our community who was rewarded with a slight overpay but modest contract who had the audacity to have an injury on the court is really equitable to Roy Tarpley.  JFC

I was mostly joking, but also pushing back at Dan. Powell hasn't done anything wrong on his own. The damage to the franchise - and it has in fact been real damage - has come through Cuban, Donnie, and RC's usage of him. He's a sub-rotation player who was paid and played as a starter, taking minutes and roster space away from talented players who could have helped us win. The most damaging thing about him is the damned lie "Powell is good enough," when, oh hell no, he is not. And I used the phrase "damned lie" intentionally, because there are lies, there are damned lies, and here come the statistics...

I won't talk about Dwights value. It's just about the better players part.
Who and when are we talking about? 

The tanking years, when we tried to play hard and loose?  Can't even remember who we played as a big then Dirk and Powell - Salah? - this hotdog-dude?

Lukas first year, when we blowed it all up midseason? DeAndre?

Last season, after the FA we couldn't get anyone to take our money and dipped in the win-column the second he got injured and had to trade for WCS? 

I really can't see it.

Hi guys. 

I've been reading the forum for a long time now and I really love the debate here, so I just had to join 

I need to add my part on the Hayes debate(and connecting the dots around him).  So let me present you Jaka Lakovič:

Lakovič is the Head coach of Ulm.


But he is also the assistant of the Slovenian NT.

Speaking about some inside info, I think all of you know where I am going with this..