Not sure I would totally take him at 31, unless a lot of the decent wing prospects were gone, but that quote from Isaiah Stewart is the attitude I want in a second round pick up.
Tankathon just updated there draft board yesterday and they have Josh Green at 18 and Robert Woodard III at 31. I think that would be a good draft day for the Mavs. But what scares me is they have Pokusevski listed at 19. Tyrese Maxey who was at 18 in their last board dropped to 22.
Desmond Banes is 26 and Tyler Bey is 27. So I would not mind buying another 1st to get one of them if the take someone else at 18. If we buy a mid 2nd I like Devon Dotson (43) and Paul Reed (48).
http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft
8) Haliburton
10) Achiuwa
11) Vassell
12) Nesmith
13) SBey
16) Hampton
18) Green
23) Maledon
25) Bolmaro
27) TBey
31) Woodard
47) N'Doye
48) Reed
52) Quickley
Here is their big board:
http://www.tankathon.com/big_board
5) Halburton
10) Vassell
11) Hampton
14) TBey (that's the respect he deserves!)
16) SBey
17) Reed
19) Nesmith
23) Maledon
27) Bolmaro
35) Achiuwa (!)
40) Quickley
46) N'Doye
50) Woodard
24 days until the draft.
I'm going to be away from the board until late Friday night. At least the Stepian rule prevents any nasty surprises between now and then.
https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/...7242969088
As y'all know, Ty-Shon is my boy (I think he is the best defensive guard in the draft).
I would LOVE a Ty-Ty draft....Tyler Bey and Ty-Shon Alexander. Those guys are going to be such great complementary role players IMO.
(10-26-2020, 04:00 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I would LOVE a Ty-Ty draft....Tyler Bey and Ty-Shon Alexander. Those guys are going to be such great complementary role players IMO.
Complementary players are nice to identify. But looking back at former drafts, the key is to identify the one or two stars available in each years draft.
I believe the key characteristic is the feel for the game, bbIQ. Ability to perform adjustment to new unusual situation, things that cant be thought in practice well. And typically that they cant be guarded one on one by different defensive players. All of them will need adjustments in the NBA, hence the more they have this skill, the better. Defensive players that have no offensive game do not become stars, unless they acquire the skills of course. Any player, no matter how bad in college, can in theory acquire the skills once in the NBA, which makes the whole thing a lot much harder to predict, even impossible due to this. Therefore the key skill probably is the competitive spirit, the will to win, to improve, without this, everything else, every other skill, will not work. Since this can also be hard to identify, who is most competitive, it makes everything again much harder.
To me Haliburton, Sadiq Bey, Kaleb Wesson so far look like having the best potential to become those unstoppable forces that may change the fate of franchises. Role players have impact as well, and if the star player is not identified and drafted, thats one of the next best for sure. Between those two categories, I would place also the good reliable starter role, which I believe Bane will have a good shot at becoming. Still a ton of players I haven't looked at, but those I really feel have some special competitiveness and bbIQ to their game, and have potential. Haliburton and S. Bey are day one starters I believe, while if any NBA teams ever realises Wessons QB like skills on offense and makes the system around him as Denver did with Joker, it will be game over for opponents. This might take years to realise. He is slow, unathletic. Yet same time, perhaps the most intelligent player in the draft with a born feel for the game, the pass and the decision, the shooting. With some players, it becomes quickly obvious they are born to play this game.
(10-26-2020, 04:00 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]As y'all know, Ty-Shon is my boy (I think he is the best defensive guard in the draft).
I would LOVE a Ty-Ty draft....Tyler Bey and Ty-Shon Alexander. Those guys are going to be such great complementary role players IMO.
I wouldn't argue with those two, I just think they would be poor value at 18 and 31 based on what the mock drafts are projecting. Dallas could probably buy a mid to late 2nd and pick up Alexander. Bey may be available at 31.
(10-26-2020, 05:01 PM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]Haliburton and S. Bey are day one starters I believe
Ty-Shon shut down SBey. So either SBey is not a day one NBA starter OR Ty-Shon is a day one NBA defensive starter.
(10-26-2020, 05:58 PM)loki Wrote: [ -> ]I just think they would be poor value at 18 and 31 based on what the mock drafts are projecting
1) The mock drafts are going to be MORE wrong this year than probably in ANY year.
2) If you get cute (like the Mavs with Giannis) you can try to trade down and still get your guy....and totally miss.
3) So if you believe in a guy just TAKE him.
https://twitter.com/bgeis_bird/status/13...7477146624
The latest Ringer mock has Nesmith falling to 18. I could handle that. He could play a little in year 1, I think.
(10-27-2020, 09:38 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]The latest Ringer mock
7) Haliburton
10) Vassell
14) Hampton
16) SBey
17) Achiuwa
18) Nesmith
26) Bolmaro
30) Woodard
I am very much IN on Nesmith if he falls to #18.
His shooting will IMMEDIATELY translate and I think he has the body, length, and athleticism to turn into a good wing defender if he puts in the work with improving his technique and footwork and effort.
https://twitter.com/coopmavs/status/1321226236295843842
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The source in the story did not clarify how far into the lottery the Mavs are willing to go. To 14? to 10? to 7? Source didn't say.
The Mavs must REALLY like someone and if they fall they will go for them. That is SUPER exciting to me.
(10-27-2020, 06:35 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2020, 09:38 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]The latest Ringer mock
7) Haliburton
10) Vassell
14) Hampton
16) SBey
17) Achiuwa
18) Nesmith
26) Bolmaro
30) Woodard
I am very much IN on Nesmith if he falls to #18.
His shooting will IMMEDIATELY translate and I think he has the body, length, and athleticism to turn into a good wing defender if he puts in the work with improving his technique and footwork and effort.
https://twitter.com/coopmavs/status/1321226236295843842
The source in the story did not clarify how far into the lottery the Mavs are willing to go. To 14? to 10? to 7? Source didn't say.
The Mavs must REALLY like someone and if they fall they will go for them. That is SUPER exciting to me.
Celtics getting Achiuwa & Hampton is such a slap in the face. TBey at 31 would be awesome. Since on their mock there are only role player ceiling guys left for us to pick, Nesmith is up there with Green & Bolmaro (I'm really falling for him as a 6th man on our squad in the future).
Heck, if that's the real board of who's left, with the #18 pick I select Leandro Bolmaro from FC Barcelona and with the #31 pick I select Tyler Bey, from Colorado.
(10-27-2020, 06:53 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]if that's the real board of who's left, with the #18 pick I select Leandro Bolmaro from FC Barcelona and with the #31 pick I select Tyler Bey, from Colorado.
Bolmaro at #18? I really like him, but I would take Nesmith over him at this point in my evals.
TBey at #31 would be awesome, I am super anxious somebody is going to grab him in the first round.
The guys I think Mavs would be targeting if they move up:
Move for Playmaking Guard
Haliburton and Hayes if they fall to the 8-10 range.
Move for High Upside/High scoring guy
RJ Hampton, Nesmith (if you think he isn't falling), Precious or any player that happens to fall to the 10-14 range that shouldn't.
Move for Defensive guy:
Insert all the good defenders, namely the wing guys.
I think the most likely scenario of the 3 is the 2nd. I still think most likely scenario overall is a trade out completely.
(10-27-2020, 07:34 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]Move for Playmaking Guard
Haliburton and Hayes if they fall to the 8-10 range.
Those two are the ones I think they might eval as "future star" that could slip to 8-10 range.
I think the Suns would trade #10.
Would anyone ahead of them be open to a Mavs package even with future firsts included?
(10-27-2020, 07:33 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2020, 06:53 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]if that's the real board of who's left, with the #18 pick I select Leandro Bolmaro from FC Barcelona and with the #31 pick I select Tyler Bey, from Colorado.
Bolmaro at #18? I really like him, but I would take Nesmith over him at this point in my evals.
TBey at #31 would be awesome, I am super anxious somebody is going to grab him in the first round.
Yup. I mean both have role player ceilings in my view, I just like Bolmaro's tools (defense/playmaking) better here than Nesmith's (3-pt shooting) in Dallas. Bolmaro with shooters and rollers in the bench would be deadly.
I'm really hoping Boston moves up or out, they are one of the few teams I have drafting Bey in their late 1st. The lottery teams trading down probably wants guys with more upside (McDaniels/Poku/Maledon) rather than a NBA ready role player with low ceiling (Bane/Bey/Tillie).
NBA dradft net as Anthony at and Stewart at 31 love the Stewart pick, Anthony at 18 might not be a fit but would be best available at 18
(10-27-2020, 07:41 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Those two are the ones I think they might eval as "future star" that could slip to 8-10 range.
I think the Suns would trade #10.
Would anyone ahead of them be open to a Mavs package even with future firsts included?
It looks like this draft is very absurd in a sense that everyone seems to want to trade in that lower lottery part 8-14. No one really sees top pick value in top picks (at least Minnesota, GSW and Atlanta seriously mentioned as trade down or out options up to now), so they are looking to trade down while (more logically) bottom teams are looking to trade up.
(10-27-2020, 07:41 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2020, 07:34 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]Move for Playmaking Guard
Haliburton and Hayes if they fall to the 8-10 range.
Those two are the ones I think they might eval as "future star" that could slip to 8-10 range.
I think the Suns would trade #10.
Would anyone ahead of them be open to a Mavs package even with future firsts included?
I think the most likely team to move is the Spurs. It would be so spurs to move down a bit, get an extra asset or two and get the player they were wanting at 11 anyways.