(11-04-2020, 02:24 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]I do not understand the lover affair for Hayward.
I am not sure if he makes us better than we already are
if he’s healthy (BIG IF) he improves them significantly on both sides of the court. They desperately need a guy who can shoot, handle, score off the bounce AND pass off the bounce. Desperately.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/draf...ixers.html
Quote:The [b]Mavericks[/b] have made the No. 18 overall pick in this year’s draft available as they search for immediate help, according to Jeremy Woo of SI.com.
This isn’t the first time we’ve heard that the Mavericks will likely be active in trade talks this offseason. A previous report suggested that Dallas would like to upgrade its roster prior to the 2020/21 season rather than waiting until 2021 to make a splash, once the team can open up some cap space.
The Mavericks don’t have a ton of expendable assets that would interest potential trade partners, having surrendered a pair of future first-round picks when they acquired [b]Kristaps Porzingis[/b] in 2019. But the team does have the 18th and 31st picks in the 2020 draft, which will be of interest to teams looking to add young talent.
Quote:- Expect Florida State big man [b]Patrick Williams[/b] to be drafted ahead of his former college teammate [b]Devin Vassell[/b], says Woo. Williams’ “raw skill set” and potential upside are viewed favorably by teams, Woo adds.
- While it’s widely known that Golden State and Minnesota have interest in moving down in the draft, there are plenty of other lottery teams viewed as trade-candidates too. Woo says the [b]Bulls[/b] (No. 4), [b]Cavaliers[/b] (No. 5), [b]Hawks[/b] (No. 6), and [b]Suns[/b] (No. 10) are all worth keeping an eye on.
(11-04-2020, 01:56 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: El_xARGVkAAc4WB?format=jpg&name=large]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El_xARGVkAAc4WB?format=jpg&name=large)
For the Mavericks, I think my list would be:
1. Vassell
2. Nesmith
3. SBey
My reaction to the Mavs making #18 available:
You can make #18 available in an effort to...
1) move UP because you want a guy who you think could be a star and help much more immediately next to Luka/KP
2) move DOWN because you think you can get the same value later in the draft (which very much could be the case this year)
3) move OUT for a star
It also seems the Mavs are VERY active doing SOMETHING this offseason. Maybe they are legitimately exploring ALL options OR maybe they have something they have zeroed in on, but they aren't tipping their hand. So they are leaking efforts to basically do everything. Point being, some of this might be smoke screens.
I think we can all trust the Mavs to investigate every possible use of the assets on hand. They’ve proven time and time again that they’re willing to shoot their shot.
Some of our community probably don’t Trust them to make the best choice once all options have become clear, but I personally do, given recent history.
(11-04-2020, 02:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Some of our community probably don’t Trust them to make the best choice once all options have become clear
I trust them almost completely.
My only hesitation with them is do they have the patience to develop talent from the draft?
(11-04-2020, 02:43 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I trust them almost completely.
My only hesitation with them is do they have the patience to develop talent from the draft?
I’m not sure it’s actually a question of patience. It might be, or at least that might be part of it, but many times in the past when they’ve punted on picks they’ve talked about roster spots, and how best to spend them in a year during which they plan to contend. Since we don’t know what else they’re doing, it’s kind of hard to predict whether that will even be a tight decision this year.
But how pissed would people be if they decide bringing Barea and/or Lee back on one year deals is worth more than keeping two rookies? I can actually see them deciding that, but I sure don’t think people will agree with it.
(11-04-2020, 02:48 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]many times in the past when they’ve punted on picks they’ve talked about roster spots, and how best to spend them in a year during which they plan to contend
That's exactly my point:
Do they have the patience to look LONG term, even when they are wanting to win "NOW," by investing in talented rookies who could fill in the rotation in 2-3 years?
I hate filling out the end of a 15 man roster with ancient vets (the Mavs love Bareas and Lees rotting at the end of the bench), it feels like a huge short-sighted waste of valuable spots. The roster should almost always have 2-3 rookies IMO, always working the development angle so you have young assets and homegrown talent. And as soon as you know someone isn't going to develop or work in your system, cut him loose somehow, someway.
I don’t disagree, @"Kammrath". I think they’ve erred on the vet side of that equation a few times in the past, and it has caused problems for the team.
I’ll agree with your wish, but I’ll stop short of using the word “always” and say that I feel it should be evaluated on a case by case basis. But, yeah, they’ve made the choice to punt far too often.
THIS YEAR, I think that unless 18 can bring a difference maker as part of a trade package I’d prefer them to draft at least one rookie. I don’t think they’re as close to contention as some do, so I’d still be squarely in develop talent mode, especially over spending assets on role players.
(11-04-2020, 02:37 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavericks have made the No. 18 overall pick in this year’s draft available as they search for immediate help, according to Jeremy Woo of SI.com.
This isn’t the first time we’ve heard that the Mavericks will likely be active in trade talks this offseason. A previous report suggested that Dallas would like to upgrade its roster prior to the 2020/21 season rather than waiting until 2021 to make a splash, once the team can open up some cap space.
The Mavericks don’t have a ton of expendable assets that would interest potential trade partners, having surrendered a pair of future first-round picks when they acquired Kristaps Porzingis in 2019. But the team does have the 18th and 31st picks in the 2020 draft, which will be of interest to teams looking to add young talent.
The elder Nellie: "If my lips are moving, I'm lying." Or something very similar.
What I would dispute in your list is the third option. We aren't getting a star out of the 18th and 31st picks in trade. At best we get a rental or serviceable starter. The Mavs aren't in a position to do that, given their talent famine outside of Luka and KP. The only real "star" they could *possibly* get is Dipo, and he has about as much chance of returning to star-level play as a late lottery pick in this draft has of becoming a star. They need to pick there where they are - or trade up - and nail the picks. Scouting, scouting, scouting, scouting, scouting.
Given the elder Nelson's talent for picking diamonds in the rough late in the draft, I would hope they would clandestinely be paying him to look at draft prospects for them.
Edit: somehow quoted the wrong post, but you know what I meant.
(11-04-2020, 02:37 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]My reaction to the Mavs making #18 available:
You can make #18 available in an effort to...
1) move UP because you want a guy who you think could be a star and help much more immediately next to Luka/KP
2) move DOWN because you think you can get the same value later in the draft (which very much could be the case this year)
3) move OUT for a star
I'll disagree once again.
I think they're making #18 available because they're
a) impatient to spend 3 years developing a role player
b) not confident in their ability to find such a guy at 18
They'd rather have the sure thing now and would trade that pick for a much less than a star.
Neglecting the draft has been their MO now for a long time except when they've had an opportunity to get a franchise player.
(11-03-2020, 09:41 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Fearless prediction time...
The Ringer's (Kevin O'Connor) mock has us taking Aaron Nesmith at 18. This rings true to me and is now my fearless prediction.
Fills the THJ vacancy if he is traded now or sacrificed for space in 2021.
Covers for the injury risk we have with Curry
Agent firm is Excel (Schwart's firm)
College coach is Stackhouse
Donnie always has a back story about how the team is connected to someone they trust in explaining why it took this player or that...always. This seems to me to be a logical pick and has the required back story and agent relationship to boot.
FWIW, it was pointed out on another site that Cole Anthony is also a Schwartz guy.
(11-04-2020, 04:17 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Cole Anthony
Yuck.
(11-04-2020, 02:35 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]For the Mavericks, I think my list would be:
1. Vassell
2. Nesmith
3. SBey
If we're going only for Mavs fit, my list of wings would be:
1. Vassell
2. Okoro
3. Bey
4. Bolmaro
5. Green
You've got to take Nesmith if he's there at 18. Shooting is the number one thing teams have to PAY to keep around, so getting a potentially elite shooter with size on a rookie deal would be too good to pass up, imo. Plus, I think his defense will come along and he'll be a fine two-way player if he lands on the right team.
It's not "what does this team need right now?" It's "what will this team need after the next 5 transactions are made?" Nesmith could end up keeping you from having to sign THJ for another $70 million when he expires, or better yet, make his expiring deal even more usable at the deadline.
(11-04-2020, 05:31 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2020, 04:17 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Cole Anthony
Yuck.
Would never trade up for him, but would not be averse to the Mavs taking him at 18 if they believe he's the best available. I don't think he's ever a starter on a Luka-led team, which would be my biggest problem with him. But he'd be an upgrade on Brunson for sure.
(11-04-2020, 05:58 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]It's not "what does this team need right now?" It's "what will this team need after the next 5 transactions are made?"
That's exactly why I'm down on him. His shooting is great (his numbers would go down if he played the whole season), but half of them are on the move. He'd fit great in a team where there are screens to facilitate his job and a defender to cover for him. Since KP and Luka are going nowhere, this team will always be fine on offense. I'd rather bring a guy that I trust on defense (Green/Bolmaro) and work his way into his catch and shoot numbers. Plus both has other desirable skills (playmaking/slashing) where the only thing Nesmith has going for him is his shooting.
(11-04-2020, 05:58 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]You've got to take Nesmith if he's there at 18. Shooting is the number one thing teams have to PAY to keep around, so getting a potentially elite shooter with size on a rookie deal would be too good to pass up, imo.
This, shooting is such great asset nowadays to pass on it, and this draft has some good shooters.That is why I am also really high on Tyrell Terry especially if he is measured at 6'3
(11-04-2020, 06:23 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]That's exactly why I'm down on him. His shooting is great (his numbers would go down if he played the whole season), but half of them are on the move. He'd fit great in a team where there are screens to facilitate his job and a defender to cover for him. Since KP and Luka are going nowhere, this team will always be fine on offense. I'd rather bring a guy that I trust on defense (Green/Bolmaro) and work his way into his catch and shoot numbers. Plus both has other desirable skills (playmaking/slashing) where the only thing Nesmith has going for him is his shooting.
You don't draft a player based on defense in this era tbh.
MKG has been always a great defender but now he can barely stay in the league.
Good defenders won't be used if they are nonexistent on offense, but players who are good on offense will get enough minutes to develop as defenders.
Bolmaro isn't a guy I am sure he will get minutes here with his very limited offense.
(11-04-2020, 08:23 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ]This, shooting is such great asset nowadays to pass on it, and this draft has some good shooters.That is why I am also really high on Tyrell Terry especially if he is measured at 6'3
You don't draft a player based on defense in this era tbh.
MKG has been always a great defender but now he can barely stay in the league.
Good defenders won't be used if they are nonexistent on offense, but players who are good on offense will get enough minutes to develop as defenders.
Bolmaro isn't a guy I am sure he will get minutes here with his very limited offense.
C'mon man, let's not assume these guys don't know how to shoot or play offense (I could be way wrong, but I actually feel they probably become better than him on O and they already are on D). Green is an athletic slasher, 40% on C&S and Bolmaro would actually RUN our backup unit (yes, primary ball-handler). Players that are good on defense will also get minutes to develop their offensive game. As I've said, the only thing going for him is his shooting. No other desirable skill (no playmaking, no defense, only there to shoot the rock, I'm not that deep to know his mid-range/off the bounce stats, but shouldn't be amazing from video).
Terry on the other hand, I'm very high on. Not from hs shooting (also great), but his playmaking in that motion offense in Stanford. As I've said, most of Nesmith's game revolves around off screens shots and we don't run many of those here (rarely one or two for Seth). If Green can hit close to 40% on C&S (most of our shots are wide-open C&S) and is a way better defender, it's a done deal.
(11-04-2020, 09:31 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]a way better defender
I am NOT high on Green as a defender after watching tape. I would rather have Nesmith as a defender (thought he was really coming into his own at the end of his season).
(11-04-2020, 06:02 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]he'd be an upgrade on Brunson for sure
No way, Brunson will be better than Cole.
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