(11-12-2020, 03:52 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]Who are those teams? Lottery teams?
I am assuming the Mavs are one of the teams that O'Connor has said has rated Hayes as a top 5 talent in this draft and a potential steal.
That is just 100% guess on my part. I am not trying to refute the DraftExpress guys....I think BOTH sides are right....Hayes could slip because he is a mystery to too many teams, but there are a handful of teams who LOVE him.
@"Scott41theMavs" I see method in what they’re doing. Solid, focused method. Part of what makes some scratch their heads is a lack of understanding of that method.
It’s not a “third best player” they’re looking for when they say “3rd guy” or “3rd Star.” There is a specific type of player they want who can play a specific role, and it is not the role that most of the posters here seem to think should be at the forefront of their plans.
They identified Kemba Walker as that player last summer. If you want to criticize them for not closing that deal, that’s valid, but I don’t. The names we’re starting to hear now are similar. If your criticism is based on disagreement with their assessment of what they need, then you are going to be extremely disappointed again this time around, I think.
(11-12-2020, 03:55 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2020, 03:52 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]Who are those teams? Lottery teams?
I am assuming the Mavs are one of the teams that O'Connor has said has rated Hayes as a top 5 talent in this draft and a potential steal.
That is just 100% guess on my part. I am not trying to refute the DraftExpress guys....I think BOTH sides are right....Hayes could slop because he is a mystery to too many teams, but there are a handful of teams who LOVE him.
The only reason I haven’t pushed back harder is that Hayes DOES fit the kind of profile of who they’ve been looking for, which lends some credibility to your dot connecting, imo.
However, to commit the resources it seems like it would ACTUALLY take to move up high enough to get him (unless he falls much farther than we think) they’d have to be willing to commit to him in a way that could potentially slow this whole train down quite a bit. That’s the part that feeds my doubts. They’d have to LOVE him, not just like him.
(11-12-2020, 03:55 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2020, 03:52 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]Who are those teams? Lottery teams?
I am assuming the Mavs are one of the teams that O'Connor has said has rated Hayes as a top 5 talent in this draft and a potential steal.
That is just 100% guess on my part. I am not trying to refute the DraftExpress guys....I think BOTH sides are right....Hayes could slip because he is a mystery to too many teams, but there are a handful of teams who LOVE him.
Oh yeah DE may not be right... It's just based on the info they have. Of course those guys aren't going to have all the info.
I'd expect Mavs might be one of them as well.
Mine was more of questioning who are those teams that think he is the steal... That's the major question. Perhaps its someone like Boston who is trying to trade up... or any of the teams rumored to want to trade into the lottery.
(11-12-2020, 04:02 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/BR_NBA/status/1326993170895417344
I should have said this sooner... But I would not be one bit surprised if Lewis is a top 10 pick.
I've been thinking the Knicks might be the team who steps up and picks him that high. That speed is soooooo intriguing. Probably the best speed guard in or around the lottery since Fox.
(11-12-2020, 04:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]However, to commit the resources it seems like it would ACTUALLY take to move up high enough to get him (unless he falls much farther than we think) they’d have to be willing to commit to him in a way that could potentially slow this whole train down quite a bit. That’s the part that feeds my doubts. They’d have to LOVE him, not just like him.
Did you see my post at the very end of the 70th page of this thread?
I really think there is smoke about the Mavs and #10 if you connect the dots. Meaning I think that is the spot they think they can get to. One of the rumors yesterday talked about such a thing would be contingent on a guy the Mavs liking actually being there though.
Let's go with that rumor for fun....
The Mavs would give up #18 + DFS to get there according to that rumor. I think Hayes can very realistically slide to #10 (assuming the DraftExpress guys are right). DFS is a lot to give up for the Mavs so you better LOVE the guy you are getting in return (like you said). But I also don't think giving up DFS in any way sets the Mavs backward in their move toward contending.
P.S. I do think Hayes will need some time to develop his right hand and his spot up shooting, but I do think he can almost immediately contribute off the bench. I think he has been thrown in the fire enough in Europe to have gone through a lot of the growing pains. But again that right hand and that spot up shooting needs a LOT of improvement.
P.P.S Adding the Givony quote for more context:
Quote:"Talking to teams, even behind Sacramento at 12, people have no idea where he's going," said Jonathan Givony on The Lowe Post. "You hear stuff from some of these teams that are in the late lottery, the mid first, the mid teens- it's hard to find any one team that's absolutely in love with Killian Hayes. His range is huge.
"Now apparently two of the teams that really like him the most, I don't know if he's at their top of their board but Chicago at four and Detroit at seven. You do hear some chatter there that's he's in the mix among four or five other guys. I don't know if he's going to get there. Maybe if there's some areas where these teams draft down, maybe then he's the guy. It wouldn't shock me if on draft night he fell out of the lottery altogether. I think he should be somewhere in that 10 to 15 mix, but I'm having a really hard time finding an actual home for him."
(11-12-2020, 03:58 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]@"Scott41theMavs" I see method in what they’re doing. Solid, focused method. Part of what makes some scratch their heads is a lack of understanding of that method.
It’s not a “third best player” they’re looking for when they say “3rd guy” or “3rd Star.” There is a specific type of player they want who can play a specific role, and it is not the role that most of the posters here seem to think should be at the forefront of their plans.
They identified Kemba Walker as that player last summer. If you want to criticize them for not closing that deal, that’s valid, but I don’t. The names we’re starting to hear now are similar. If your criticism is based on disagreement with their assessment of what they need, then you are going to be extremely disappointed again this time around, I think.
No, you and I are on a similar page when it comes to what their overall strategy ought to be this offseason. My whole post there was attacking the "2019 was just fine" narrative, when I think that 2019 crippled the team and put them into a much worse situation than what they should be in.
Kemba was not a bad target. It's definitely a Dantoni approach; i.e. who needs any defense whatsoever. I do think the Mavs deserve blame for not closing the deal. OK, he wanted to go to Boston more - then you have to look at and correct the basic outlines of why that was, and more importantly, you have to have a rock solid PLAN B to fall back on, which they very obviously didn't. Huge eff-up.
Rubio is lame, but he plays OK defense. It's just an extremely meh get. As far as Levine, et al., I suppose an all-offense-all-the-time approach works if you can keep enough cap open that GA is your finishing move. In recent days, the only rumored target that has been dynamically irritating is Dinwiddie. No defense and no threes? I'd probably rather have Derozan to be our midrange closer at the end of games.
(11-12-2020, 04:19 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I do think the Mavs deserve blame for not closing the deal. OK, he wanted to go to Boston more - then you have to look at and correct the basic outlines of why that was, and more importantly, you have to have a rock solid PLAN B to fall back on, which they very obviously didn't. Huge eff-up.
I just don’t understand how you can be on board with the “no bad deals” concept without allowing for any possibility that bad deals might have been all that was available to them.
If there’s anything to mad about with last summer it’s the Wright signing - something they DID, not anything they DIDN’T do.
(11-12-2020, 04:02 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/BR_NBA/status/1326993170895417344
Elite quickness and speed. The same can't be said about his bbIQ and feel for the game. Watch Haliburton outplay him completely despite not being the same athlete.
If he develops basketball skills, he will be great, if not, he is just a role player or does not have a future in the NBA.
If he gets in the right place at the right time to develop basketball skills, this would be ideal for him. Its not impossible. But it will take some years for sure, this is a project.
(11-12-2020, 01:59 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1326940319997456389
For his own sake, I hope that the post NBA career for Jalen "for sure" Brunson isn't as interviewer.
(11-12-2020, 03:55 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2020, 03:52 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]Who are those teams? Lottery teams?
I am assuming the Mavs are one of the teams that O'Connor has said has rated Hayes as a top 5 talent in this draft and a potential steal.
That is just 100% guess on my part. I am not trying to refute the DraftExpress guys....I think BOTH sides are right....Hayes could slip because he is a mystery to too many teams, but there are a handful of teams who LOVE him.
I think Givony point is that Hayes has many who liked him, but it doesn't mean they will pick him.
For example, GSW could have him as their number 2 guy, Pistons could have him as their number 4 guy, one has 2nd and other 7th picks.
But GSW could get their number 1 target, and Pistons could get their number 3, Hayes found himself out of top 10 because of that.
We have seen that a bit in 2018, Mavs really liked Wendell Carter Jr and was going to pick him, they found a chance on Luka whom they liked more and he find himself as number 7, while if Hawks has kept Luka, Trae was most likely end up with Magic at 6th rather than 5th pick.
Ugh... another 144 hours until we begin to get some resolution... don't know if I can make it...
(11-12-2020, 06:55 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Ugh... another 144 hours until we begin to get some resolution... don't know if I can make it...
Hang in there, my guy. We’ll be watching that sweet Euro backcourt in action before you know it!
(11-12-2020, 06:55 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Ugh... another 144 hours until we begin to get some resolution... don't know if I can make it...
You´ll get your first answers on Nov 16th, when the trade window opens.
LMA is still following Cuban. Just saying in case you want to get ready for a Monday meltdown and a Tuesday tantrum.
(11-12-2020, 07:12 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2020, 06:55 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Ugh... another 144 hours until we begin to get some resolution... don't know if I can make it...
You´ll get your first answers on Nov 16th, when the trade window opens.
LMA is still following Cuban. Just saying in case you want to get ready for a Monday meltdown and a Tuesday tantrum.
I'm fine with us taking on LMA's contract if the Spurs' pick comes with him.
(11-12-2020, 07:01 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2020, 06:55 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Ugh... another 144 hours until we begin to get some resolution... don't know if I can make it...
Hang in there, my guy. We’ll be watching that sweet Euro backcourt in action before you know it!
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(11-12-2020, 03:50 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I believe that the root of the Mavs' debacle of an offseason was one gigantic fail in their judgment - believing that healthy Dwight Powell was a good enough player to start for a contending team, when binarily he wasn't good enough to start for an NBA team with an objective other than tanking.
How do you explain the reported attempt to get Tobias Harris?
Look, we get that Powell did your sister wrong (or something like that), but Al Gore didn't invent the internet and Powell didn't ruin the Mav's.
This probably belongs on the Trade/FA thread, but sign me up for the Gospel According to Kamm as it relates to LaVine. No Thanks. Classic big (box score) numbers on bad teams guy who contributes little to winning...and ruins 2021 room. With that said, Chicago expects more than our trash in return.
I'm also a Kamm acolyte as relates to Hayes at 10. Oh wait, I already gave my "lock" for Nesmith...nevermind. I don't want to back-slide.
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