They can't be concerned with the salary slot of pick 18, around $2.4mil.
Assuming they pick a decent player it won't be that hard to dump them.
Lets say they draft Desmond Bane surely some team would be happy to give a 2nd round pick to take him.
If they trade the pick for a vet then unless they are sending Wright or Powell they would be adding salary to the 2021 cap if the vet isn't on a 1 year deal.
Trading pick 18 for a 1 year rental would be extremely stupid, especially when Giannis signs the supermax extension, $230+mil is going to be hard to turn down with so much uncertainty with the NBA finances.
If they haven't learned from Miami's last offseason, then enjoy Luka while we can.
(10-14-2020, 09:55 PM)Aussiebballer Wrote: [ -> ]If they trade the pick for a vet then unless they are sending Wright or Powell they would be adding salary to the 2021 cap if the vet isn't on a 1 year deal.
I believe the Mavs’ wet dream right now is to combine Wright and #18 for a player who will A) play in the 2021 rotation and B) come off the books at the end of that season. In one fell swoop, they’d be improving the team next year and shedding Wright’s money PLUS that $2.4 million you mentioned for the #18 guy.
Will they be able to do that? Who knows, but based on the current rumors and observing how they’ve behaved in recent years it makes a ton of sense that this would be their goal.
I don’t expect a trade for any salary past 2021, or for them to use the full MLE on one player, for that matter.
(10-14-2020, 10:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 09:55 PM)Aussiebballer Wrote: [ -> ]If they trade the pick for a vet then unless they are sending Wright or Powell they would be adding salary to the 2021 cap if the vet isn't on a 1 year deal.
I believe the Mavs’ wet dream right now is to combine Wright and #18 for a player who will A) play in the 2021 rotation and B) come off the books at the end of that season. In one fell swoop, they’d be improving the team next year and shedding Wright’s money PLUS that $2.4 million you mentioned for the #18 guy.
Will they be able to do that? Who knows, but based on the current rumors and observing how they’ve behaved in recent years it makes a ton of sense that this would be their goal.
I don’t expect a trade for any salary past 2021, or for them to use the full MLE on one player, for that matter.
I'd be quite angry if it's not a guy good enough to be a nice fallback if we can't get Giannis.
I expect to be quite angry.
(10-14-2020, 10:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I believe the Mavs’ wet dream right now is to combine Wright and #18 for a player who will A) play in the 2021 rotation and B) come off the books at the end of that season. In one fell swoop, they’d be improving the team next year and shedding Wright’s money PLUS that $2.4 million you mentioned for the #18 guy
This would be HORRIBLE asset management. Wasting what could be a 4+ year contributor on a rookie salary just to get off of Wright's contract prematurely and for a one year rental?
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(10-14-2020, 11:25 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 10:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I believe the Mavs’ wet dream right now is to combine Wright and #18 for a player who will A) play in the 2021 rotation and B) come off the books at the end of that season. In one fell swoop, they’d be improving the team next year and shedding Wright’s money PLUS that $2.4 million you mentioned for the #18 guy
This would be HORRIBLE asset management. Wasting what could be a 4+ year contributor on a rookie salary just to get off of Wright's contract prematurely and for a one year rental?
Yep. We were all ready to absolve the MBT for seven horrid years when they traded for Luka and got Porzingis. If they mismanage two offseasons in a row - and then *don't* get Giannis - then they'll be back to neutral at very best for me.
I thought last off season was pretty dope, tbh. Curry, Boban and Wright, who should’ve fit but didn’t. Can’t win on every move.
And why are you guys so sure that #18 will be a good player and the trade target won’t be before we even see what happens?
Again, getting mad about this stuff is pointless, especially AHEAD OF TIME. I’m just trying to figure out what they’re thinking. Hell, they might go in the complete opposite direction. Don’t take it out on me!
(10-14-2020, 11:43 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]And why are you guys so sure that #18 will be a good player and the trade target won’t be before we even see what happens?
1) I am on record saying that there is only a 47% chance that the #18 pick pans out....but if it does, then that is a HUGE victory for team building in the Luka era.
2) I am on-board with Schroder or OPJ while giving up #18. For like I have said, I want a GOOD player (not just average) to give up the #18 asset.
3) What I am against is the idea that clearing room right NOW should be a priority. If THAT is the major goal, then I 100% disagree with it. Way too premature for that. Like 9 months too early.
(10-14-2020, 11:43 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I thought last off season was pretty dope, tbh. Curry, Boban and Wright, who should’ve fit but didn’t. Can’t win on every move.
And why are you guys so sure that #18 will be a good player and the trade target won’t be before we even see what happens?
Again, getting mad about this stuff is pointless, especially AHEAD OF TIME. I’m just trying to figure out what they’re thinking. Hell, they might go in the complete opposite direction. Don’t take it out on me!
As I stated in the other thread, there are seven players I would tolerate for #18 in the expiring category - Schroder, OPJ, Oubre, Fournier, Lowry, Gobert, and JRich ('21 player option, easily dumped if he opts in).
(10-14-2020, 11:50 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]3) What I am against is the idea that clearing room right NOW should be a priority. If THAT is the major goal, then I 100% disagree with it. Way too premature for that. Like 9 months too early.
Ok, great. So don’t think of it that way.
You and I both think Wright has value around the league. If he can be moved for a player who fits better, is it impossible to imagine that he and #18 COMBINED could get an even BETTER player, like maybe someone we’re not even talking about? If that happens, are you really going to be pissed that he’s on the last year of his deal?
I understand where you’re coming from, but it’s possible that a move could be extremely effective, talent wise, with the added bonus of clearing cap. That’s what I’m hoping for, personally. If they do something stupid, I’ll admit that I think it’s stupid. For now, I’m just trying to figure out what THEY think.
(10-14-2020, 11:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]is it impossible to imagine that he and #18 COMBINED could get an even BETTER player, like maybe someone we’re not even talking about? If that happens, are you really going to be pissed that he’s on the last year of his deal?
No, I wouldn't be pissed.
I have said a couple different times, if the guy is GOOD or DAMN good, I am fine. I am just trying to be crystal clear that I value the #18 pick VERY highly. But I will trade it for the right guy.
(10-15-2020, 12:01 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 11:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]is it impossible to imagine that he and #18 COMBINED could get an even BETTER player, like maybe someone we’re not even talking about? If that happens, are you really going to be pissed that he’s on the last year of his deal?
No, I wouldn't be pissed.
I have said a couple different times, if the guy is GOOD or DAMN good, I am fine. I am just trying to be crystal clear that I value the #18 pick VERY highly. But I will trade it for the right guy.
Ok, so we’re basically on the same page, then. You value this draft a little more than I do, but we’re very close. What you’re describing above is what I think their goal is, tbh.
If the ONLY benefit of a move NOW is to clear cap, that’s a dumb move. At no point has it crossed my mind that they’ll do that this off season. I think they want to do BOTH things simultaneously.
If you’re cool with Wright and #18 for Schroeder, then my gut tells me you’ll be happy. I don’t know if they’ll look at that, specifically, but I think it would take something that size or bigger to get them to pull the trigger.
I could be wrong, obvs. Just a feeling.
(10-15-2020, 12:06 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 12:01 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 11:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]is it impossible to imagine that he and #18 COMBINED could get an even BETTER player, like maybe someone we’re not even talking about? If that happens, are you really going to be pissed that he’s on the last year of his deal?
No, I wouldn't be pissed.
I have said a couple different times, if the guy is GOOD or DAMN good, I am fine. I am just trying to be crystal clear that I value the #18 pick VERY highly. But I will trade it for the right guy.
Ok, so we’re basically on the same page, then. You value this draft a little more than I do, but we’re very close. What you’re describing above is what I think their goal is, tbh.
If the ONLY benefit of a move NOW is to clear cap, that’s a dumb move. At no point has it crossed my mind that they’ll do that this off season. I think they want to do BOTH things simultaneously.
If you’re cool with Wright and #18 for Schroeder, then my gut tells me you’ll be happy. I don’t know if they’ll look at that, specifically, but I think it would take something that size or bigger to get them to pull the trigger.
I could be wrong, obvs. Just a feeling.
If they include the 18th pick in a trade I hope it will be for a starter.
(10-15-2020, 12:22 AM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 12:06 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 12:01 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 11:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]is it impossible to imagine that he and #18 COMBINED could get an even BETTER player, like maybe someone we’re not even talking about? If that happens, are you really going to be pissed that he’s on the last year of his deal?
No, I wouldn't be pissed.
I have said a couple different times, if the guy is GOOD or DAMN good, I am fine. I am just trying to be crystal clear that I value the #18 pick VERY highly. But I will trade it for the right guy.
Ok, so we’re basically on the same page, then. You value this draft a little more than I do, but we’re very close. What you’re describing above is what I think their goal is, tbh.
If the ONLY benefit of a move NOW is to clear cap, that’s a dumb move. At no point has it crossed my mind that they’ll do that this off season. I think they want to do BOTH things simultaneously.
If you’re cool with Wright and #18 for Schroeder, then my gut tells me you’ll be happy. I don’t know if they’ll look at that, specifically, but I think it would take something that size or bigger to get them to pull the trigger.
I could be wrong, obvs. Just a feeling.
If they include the 18th pick in a trade I hope it will be for a starter.
Schroder would be the Mavs' starting two. Luka-Schroder-THJ-DFS-KP. Schroder guards the one, Luka guards the two.
(10-15-2020, 12:27 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 12:22 AM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 12:06 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 12:01 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 11:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]is it impossible to imagine that he and #18 COMBINED could get an even BETTER player, like maybe someone we’re not even talking about? If that happens, are you really going to be pissed that he’s on the last year of his deal?
No, I wouldn't be pissed.
I have said a couple different times, if the guy is GOOD or DAMN good, I am fine. I am just trying to be crystal clear that I value the #18 pick VERY highly. But I will trade it for the right guy.
Ok, so we’re basically on the same page, then. You value this draft a little more than I do, but we’re very close. What you’re describing above is what I think their goal is, tbh.
If the ONLY benefit of a move NOW is to clear cap, that’s a dumb move. At no point has it crossed my mind that they’ll do that this off season. I think they want to do BOTH things simultaneously.
If you’re cool with Wright and #18 for Schroeder, then my gut tells me you’ll be happy. I don’t know if they’ll look at that, specifically, but I think it would take something that size or bigger to get them to pull the trigger.
I could be wrong, obvs. Just a feeling.
If they include the 18th pick in a trade I hope it will be for a starter.
Schroder would be the Mavs' starting two. Luka-Schroder-THJ-DFS-KP. Schroder guards the one, Luka guards the two.
Is there any history of Kleber and Schroder playing together for team Germany?
How do you guys feel about a trade like this
New York Knicks Receive
Pick 18
Protections removed from 21 Pick
Protections removed from 23 Pick
Delon Wright
Dallas Mavericks Receive
Pick 8
Taj Gibson
Timberwolves Receive Courtney Lee
Mavericks Receive James Johnson
Frees up 9 Million for 2021
(10-15-2020, 01:21 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]New York Knicks Receive
Pick 18
Protections removed from 21 Pick
Protections removed from 23 Pick
Delon Wright
Dallas Mavericks Receive
Pick 8
Taj Gibson
There are no protections on #21 pick already. I doubt #18 and removing protections from 2023 pick is nearly close to value of #8 and eating Wright contract.
(10-15-2020, 01:21 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]Timberwolves Receive Courtney Lee
Mavericks Receive James Johnson
Lee is a free agent.
(10-12-2020, 07:43 PM)radioaktiv Wrote: [ -> ]Unless Donnie sees something really special in him a la Giannis, I don't see them drafting Pokusevski... just too raw to make an impact now. I really hope they grab a wing or a big, though I know how much they love guards.
(10-15-2020, 01:52 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 01:21 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]New York Knicks Receive
Pick 18
Protections removed from 21 Pick
Protections removed from 23 Pick
Delon Wright
Dallas Mavericks Receive
Pick 8
Taj Gibson
There are no protections on #21 pick already. I doubt #18 and removing protections from 2023 pick is nearly close to value of #8 and eating Wright contract.
(10-15-2020, 01:21 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]Timberwolves Receive Courtney Lee
Mavericks Receive James Johnson
Lee is a free agent.
I could be wrong but I believe there is a window we could trade him
(10-15-2020, 02:20 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]I could be wrong but I believe there is a window we could trade him
Only if we resign him. But then, why would Minnesota do that?
Can do Wright and Jackson for James Johnson.
Hard to know what value any of those players has in the league at the moment.
(10-14-2020, 11:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Is it impossible to imagine that he and #18 COMBINED could get an even BETTER player, like maybe someone we’re not even talking about?
Not much to add to the conversation except this reminder...we can all look up the list of 2021 FA's for a proposed Wright + 18 for expiring deal, but we aren't strictly limited to that list. It presents more challenges, but the target can be a S&T current FA willing to take one year guaranteed to push their free agency to 2021. It would take a pretty special situation. The other team has to want Wright and has to have a FA who would be willing to be controlled past one year but guaranteed for only one. The dollars would probably need to be at or above market value for that player. The other team has to be fine with whoever we draft at 18 since we can't agree to this in advance of drafting since no one controls said free agent. Maybe Gallinari would take $14mm in a scenario like this and OKC says yes after trading away Paul and Schroder? Something like that.
Also of note...I don't think the reporting in The Bleacher Report is new news. It quotes a guy who says it has been reported that... Seems like what was said at the end of the bubble. Who knows what the plan actually is.