(09-02-2020, 09:51 PM)Playmaker Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs need to find their Tyler Herro in this draft. I'm tired of seeing all these teams find and play rookies in their lineups while the Mavs can find no on ever.
Lu Dort, Tyler Herro, Kendrick Nunn, Darius Bazley, Keldon Johnson, Matisse Thybulle were all players drafted lower from a "bad draft" that are all playing big minutes on teams contending for playoffs or more. This would be a great time to invest/develop that type of player that grows as a core player and with Luka on the Mavs. NO MORE EXCUSES.
You know better in a Rick Carlisle system, unless your a top 10 draft pick, your at the bottom of the totem pole.
(09-02-2020, 11:04 PM)FunkBoreland Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2020, 09:51 PM)Playmaker Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs need to find their Tyler Herro in this draft. I'm tired of seeing all these teams find and play rookies in their lineups while the Mavs can find no on ever.
Lu Dort, Tyler Herro, Kendrick Nunn, Darius Bazley, Keldon Johnson, Matisse Thybulle were all players drafted lower from a "bad draft" that are all playing big minutes on teams contending for playoffs or more. This would be a great time to invest/develop that type of player that grows as a core player and with Luka on the Mavs. NO MORE EXCUSES.
You know better in a Rick Carlisle system, unless your a top 10 draft pick, your at the bottom of the totem pole.
Brunson wasn't highly drafted but got minutes under Carlisle. So I don't know that non highly drafted rookies not playing is a Carlisle thing. I think its a Donnie thing.
Donnie can't give Carlisle talent like Justin Anderson, Shane Larkin, Jared Cunningham, Mo Ager, ect and expect him to play them. Who out of that group are you giving minutes too if you are the coach?
(09-02-2020, 09:12 PM)Torielp10 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2020, 10:57 AM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]How about Saddiq Bey? He is not athletic, but can bully his way to the rim, he has the size. Absolute elite shooter and quick release, if he is left alone he would do better than THJ and DFS. Has potential to be a very good defender.
Brings the mid range game that we are really missing.
Much better passer than given credit for.
(07-18-2020, 10:16 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like we all coveted Robert Covington when he was on the trade block.
Sadiq Bey feels like a young Robert Covington
Draft Sadiq Bey.
Give him Justin Jackson minutes as a 3 & D bench guy who can actually 3 and D.
I completely agree. Draft Sadiq bey. Trade even a bit up to draft him.
I think he is more than just a 3 & D. He is that, yes. But he can also pass better than the regular 3 & D player, and post up (very well) and nail the mid range jumper consistently. He gets well to the rim using his size. He is more a Kawhi, thus more an all around basketball player, than just a 3 & D guy.
What sticks out in his shooting is how well he shoots when defended well. This translates to the NBA.
This will be an excellent pick, whoever makes it!
I like bey, just worried about how low he starts his jumper. May be hard to get a shot of in the NBA
Isaiah stewert is my guy. We need a PF like him. He is a dog, very intense, and will make his money on defense, hustle, Rb, and not taking any crap.
I think he has a quick release, which would allow him to get his shot just fine IMO
(09-02-2020, 09:12 PM)Torielp10 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2020, 10:57 AM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]How about Saddiq Bey? He is not athletic, but can bully his way to the rim, he has the size. Absolute elite shooter and quick release, if he is left alone he would do better than THJ and DFS. Has potential to be a very good defender.
Brings the mid range game that we are really missing.
Much better passer than given credit for.
(07-18-2020, 10:16 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like we all coveted Robert Covington when he was on the trade block.
Sadiq Bey feels like a young Robert Covington
Draft Sadiq Bey.
Give him Justin Jackson minutes as a 3 & D bench guy who can actually 3 and D.
I completely agree. Draft Sadiq bey. Trade even a bit up to draft him.
I think he is more than just a 3 & D. He is that, yes. But he can also pass better than the regular 3 & D player, and post up (very well) and nail the mid range jumper consistently. He gets well to the rim using his size. He is more a Kawhi, thus more an all around basketball player, than just a 3 & D guy.
What sticks out in his shooting is how well he shoots when defended well. This translates to the NBA.
This will be an excellent pick, whoever makes it!
I like bey, just worried about how low he starts his jumper. May be hard to get a shot of in the NBA
Isaiah stewert is my guy. We need a PF like him. He is a dog, very intense, and will make his money on defense, hustle, Rb, and not taking any crap.
If that's your one concern, it's a very very easy thing to correct IMO.
(09-03-2020, 06:40 AM)Dundalis Wrote: [ -> ]If that's your one concern, it's a very very easy thing to correct IMO.
It’s not my one concern, it is one of my big concerns. We have needed it since DSteve and TC left so what makes you think it’s so easy for this team to correct?
(09-02-2020, 09:12 PM)Torielp10 Wrote: [ -> ]I like bey, just worried about how low he starts his jumper. May be hard to get a shot of in the NBA
The story this season has been, Luka getting doubled or with even 3 defenders, still somehow consistently finding the open player. The open player missing the shot too often, given the situation. Everyones 3pt% has gone up due to Luka and open looks, THJ has the best 3pt% of his career and it applies several players etc. But it should have gone up more given the open looks.
Im not worried about how low (bey) he starts, he will have time being open for any mechanics he wants to use.
Im not even worried in this case even when he is well defended. So many times he was defended well, yet he makes the 3 point shot. He can create the shot out of nothing. He has the size and the motion he uses which is very quick, with quick release. He also has handles to pull of the shot in the best time, contrary to players that do not have that, and pull the shot off at wrong timing.
Finally, we need someone that brings the mid range game, and he has that and has potential to excel at it, we saw what that does in playoffs and when Kawhi did it, its impossible to stop.
I'm more of a Tyler Bey fan due to defensive/rebounding potential. He's more of a late 1st round prospect so he might not be there at #31. However, he is one of the few upperclassmen in the Top-30 and we know the Mavs have historically preferred drafting juniors/seniors if they go with an NCAA prospect.
(09-03-2020, 09:36 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2020, 06:40 AM)Dundalis Wrote: [ -> ]If that's your one concern, it's a very very easy thing to correct IMO.
It’s not my one concern, it is one of my big concerns. We have needed it since DSteve and TC left so what makes you think it’s so easy for this team to correct?
I was talking about the shooting form concern.
Looking at the Miami model - having a large number of contributing guys on rookie contracts - makes me really hope against hope that the Mavs don't trade their picks, and actually use cash to load up on another couple of picks.
(09-03-2020, 11:34 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Looking at the Miami model
Miami and Toronto model actually shows, that you don't even need picks to get good players. You just need a good program
Latest Mock Draft at The Athletic has Dallas taking Tyrese Maxey at 18 and Bane at 31. What caught my attention was this nugget:
"But when I get asked who I think a prime team to move up in the draft is, I think Dallas is it. Could they use No. 31 overall to get up into the No. 12 to 15 or so range to end up with whoever falls out of the wing class? Probably would need to add more than No. 31 to get it done at the higher range, but given who is available come draft night, and the run I expect on wings, Dallas would be smart to look into that option."
I don't see the point of two rookies on this team. I do see the point of moving up if you love someone at 12-15. Unfortunately, I don't see Sacramento (35), New Orleans (39 & 42) or Boston (26 and 30) placing much value in 31. Is there someone in this draft you'd five up 18 and the 2025 first for? Would Phoenix do that at 10?
(09-04-2020, 07:22 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Latest Mock Draft at The Athletic has Dallas taking Tyrese Maxey at 18 and Bane at 31. What caught my attention was this nugget:
"But when I get asked who I think a prime team to move up in the draft is, I think Dallas is it. Could they use No. 31 overall to get up into the No. 12 to 15 or so range to end up with whoever falls out of the wing class? Probably would need to add more than No. 31 to get it done at the higher range, but given who is available come draft night, and the run I expect on wings, Dallas would be smart to look into that option."
I don't see the point of two rookies on this team. I do see the point of moving up if you love someone at 12-15. Unfortunately, I don't see Sacramento (35), New Orleans (39 & 42) or Boston (26 and 30) placing much value in 31. Is there someone in this draft you'd five up 18 and the 2025 first for? Would Phoenix do that at 10?
Boston could be interested, because they´ll struggle to add quality roleplayers.
Theis/Kanter will both be UFA next summer, so Kleber could serve as part of a three-headed monster and a locked in cheap-ish option. Seth Curry could also be interesting for Boston, which lacks an elite shooter, that can play off Kemba, Brown and Tatum.
We know Hayward is supertight with Stevens, but would Boston consider
Hayward+14+26+30 for THJ (salary-matching), Kleber, Curry+18.
Boston won´t have any caproom with or without Hayward and they don´t seem to miss him much right now.
(09-04-2020, 07:22 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see the point of two rookies on this team. I do see the point of moving up if you love someone at 12-15. Unfortunately, I don't see Sacramento (35), New Orleans (39 & 42) or Boston (26 and 30) placing much value in 31. Is there someone in this draft you'd five up 18 and the 2025 first for? Would Phoenix do that at 10?
Huh. 10 is much higher than 18 and 2025 FRP is a big price to pay. However, staying on this note, I wonder what Washington will do. They didn't want to trade Beal before, but 2020/21 season is basically their last chance. So I wonder what has more worth to them - proven player like Kleber+#18 or #9 pick?
On the other note - who might be most pressed for money. 5 million might play a difference in moving up in this draft. San Antonio and Sacramento are small market teams with big payrolls and no playoffs.
(09-04-2020, 09:20 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-04-2020, 07:22 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Latest Mock Draft at The Athletic has Dallas taking Tyrese Maxey at 18 and Bane at 31. What caught my attention was this nugget:
"But when I get asked who I think a prime team to move up in the draft is, I think Dallas is it. Could they use No. 31 overall to get up into the No. 12 to 15 or so range to end up with whoever falls out of the wing class? Probably would need to add more than No. 31 to get it done at the higher range, but given who is available come draft night, and the run I expect on wings, Dallas would be smart to look into that option."
I don't see the point of two rookies on this team. I do see the point of moving up if you love someone at 12-15. Unfortunately, I don't see Sacramento (35), New Orleans (39 & 42) or Boston (26 and 30) placing much value in 31. Is there someone in this draft you'd five up 18 and the 2025 first for? Would Phoenix do that at 10?
Boston could be interested, because they´ll struggle to add quality roleplayers.
Theis/Kanter will both be UFA next summer, so Kleber could serve as part of a three-headed monster and a locked in cheap-ish option. Seth Curry could also be interesting for Boston, which lacks an elite shooter, that can play off Kemba, Brown and Tatum.
We know Hayward is supertight with Stevens, but would Boston consider
Hayward+14+26+30 for THJ (salary-matching), Kleber, Curry+18.
Boston won´t have any caproom with or without Hayward and they don´t seem to miss him much right now.
We will lose 3 of our best contributors for
Hayward and the picks? Unless there is someone who we really, really like at 14 who isn't going to be available at 18, I don't see it.
May be if we take 30 and give them Delon right instead of Curry
This was shaping up to be a weak draft overall under normal circumstances but with the pandemic altering everything and limiting prospect evaluations, I think it will make it even harder to trade picks this year.
(09-04-2020, 07:22 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see the point of two rookies on this team. I do see the point of moving up if you love someone at 12-15. Unfortunately, I don't see Sacramento (35), New Orleans (39 & 42) or Boston (26 and 30) placing much value in 31. Is there someone in this draft you'd five up 18 and the 2025 first for? Would Phoenix do that at 10?
I could definitely see Dallas working to move up to get 1 good player they like, but I have a tough time seeing them burning another 1st to do it. If you're looking to add value, I wonder if there are any teams above Dallas who might like a guy like Wright or Brunson.
If Brunson is the play, I don’t want To pick swap unless we’re getting into the lottery. Somewhere around 8. He is a pretty known quantity with the opportunity to improve. That isn’t worth our 1st AND him. Now if we’re talking Brunson for a pick around 14 or so and we’re certain that guy will be better, then by all means.
(09-04-2020, 07:22 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]"But when I get asked who I think a prime team to move up in the draft is, I think Dallas is it. Could they use No. 31 overall to get up into the No. 12 to 15 or so range to end up with whoever falls out of the wing class? Probably would need to add more than No. 31 to get it done at the higher range, but given who is available come draft night, and the run I expect on wings, Dallas would be smart to look into that option."
I don't see the point of two rookies on this team. I do see the point of moving up if you love someone at 12-15. Unfortunately, I don't see Sacramento (35), New Orleans (39 & 42) or Boston (26 and 30) placing much value in 31. Is there someone in this draft you'd five up 18 and the 2025 first for? Would Phoenix do that at 10?
This is TOTALLY the way to go. I hope the Mavs 1) WANT to do this and 2) are ABLE to pull it off.
However, I am ALL IN on Leandro Bolmaro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld1b5b1YbPY
As well as Saddiq Bey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4np54Ynnd8
(09-04-2020, 03:17 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]However, I am ALL IN on Leandro Bolmaro:
At pick #31 I hope
His 3 point shot is non existing (below 30 %) which is kind of bad for a 6-7 player. His overall shooting percentage was 42 %. He also matches every nice pass with a turnover.
(09-04-2020, 03:25 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]His 3 point shot is non existing (below 30 %) which is kind of bad for a 6-7 player. His overall shooting percentage was 42 %. He also matches every nice pass with a turnover.
I don't think his shot is broken (and he definitely has the confidence to shoot when open) and I think someone like RC would fix the slight issues in quick order.
I also think Luka might be handling the ball more than him.
But I love his length, effort, selflessness, and defense the most.