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(12-09-2020, 01:02 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know how you can look at Walker and be like meh he was just +.3 or whatever. I mean he averaged 20 ppg on a team with a lot of offensive options. He was good for them in the playoffs. I don't understand why you can act like he wasn't important.

Because I watched the games and BOS is WAY BETTER DEFENSIVELY when he sits and his offensive punch isn't enough to compensate for that. 

It is easy to see if you are looking for it.

I don't disagree you are giving up some defense with Kemba or another other scorer including board-favorites like Lavine. That's why he isn't my dream third guy but he would have been the best realistic option given that they didn't want Brog. They weren't looking at Vuc bc this 2 big fantasy you are advocating makes no sense in the modern NBA. I really don't get why you are obsessed with this idea.

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Boston btw was a top offensive and defensive team despite not even really playing a real center. They played 6'8 Theis as their center more than anybody. So they not only didn't do 2 centers, they didn't really have 1.

Boston was top 10 offense, top 5 defense, made some noise in the playoffs with Kemba on their team. They are obviously a better defensive team than the Mavs but I think Kemba would have solved the 3rd star problem the MBT was looking to solve.

(12-09-2020, 11:57 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]P.P.S. My suggesting of Vuc was largely in foil/contrast to people obsessing over Kemba (b/c I 100% believe Vuc would be better in DAL than Kemba). In a similar way I am suggesting Gobert in part because I think it is a BETTER option than many of the ideas thrown around.

I think this is specifically important.  I don't think that Kamm was all in on Vuc in a vacuum - just as a far better target than Kemba.  He had many lines of thought on this - and they have almost played out to perfection, tbh.  Kemba's contract has the potential to age extremely poorly and ultimately be one of the league's worst if his knee issues continue, which was such a high possibility that it could have been considered a probability.

That said, the Mavs summer in hindsight looks pretty good - kleber blossomed.  Curry had a nice year and netted a nice return in trade.  DWright didn't pan out, but more due to fit.  I love his game - defense makes me happy.

(12-09-2020, 12:54 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]My issue with you Kamm is you stare at stats and don't watch the games. He was important to that Celtics team. Walker would have been great here especially given that both KP and Luka missed time. The idea with the "3 star" system is that chances are you have 2 out of the 3 available at any given time. He would have done well here.

Is Walker my favorite fit ever? No but I think he would have been good and would have been an asset, much better than Curry even though I like Curry who later turned into J Rich.

Man, hindsight on this one is amazing!  Could you imagine being locked into Kemba right now?  Heck, I like Jrich on this team above him.  Paying the max to him is brutal and would have locked the Mavs into very good-ness with fatally terrible defense.  Seriously dodged that bullet!

Not sure how having Kemba would now be "horrible," he would basically be a better version of THJ or Curry with secondary ball-handling skills.

Vuc would have been horrible, Kemba no.

Kemba's knee is in a bad way.  Even healthy, he was problematic because of his size and defensive issues.  He isn't an elite shooter, either.  I stand by what I said above that we  dodged a bullet on Kemba and that JRich is a better fit on this team.  in terms of Vuc, I would rather have him too - especially considering Kemba is on a max contract with escalators, and Vuc's contract is about 10M less and descending.  

My point was to highlight the fact that we are much better in the timeline where we didn't sign Kemba, and have ended up with Jrich and hope for next offseason - which would not have been the case if we were locked into his underwater contract (after a single season) that Boston couldn't get off of this offseason.  I am curious why you think Kemba would be an asset here as that reasoning doesn't seem defensible given the evidence that has been presented in the last year...

Of the two, Vuc would have been the better option - knowing what we know now.  I am personally happy that neither happened.

Ya the Kemba knee thing is an issue, forgot ab that.

(12-11-2020, 03:47 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Ya the Kemba knee thing is an issue, forgot ab that.

Yeah, he struggled the second half of last season and it has been an issue this offseason - which is why Boston was looking to trade him (and couldn't).  He is by no means a BAD player, but if he is on your team, and you're paying him the max, you aren't happy about it.  

One of the top things I am looking for this season is how GH plays in CHA.  Haha.  It could be a hoot if he returns to health and Kemba struggles with his knee.  Those two franchises basically did a season long trade of max players.  I think that GH will turn out to be the prize of the two.

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https://www.celticsblog.com/2020/11/2/21...on-celtics

He played well in the playoffs and was one of the reasons form the Celtics making it to the Eastern Conference Finals. Sure Ainge was trying to shop him but that's just what Ainge does. He had his sights on Jrue Holiday or Celtics. I will say that one of Kamm's biggest concerned ab small guards breaking down after 30 and here we are. I want to see how he does, players get injured all the time but it's still a concern.

(12-11-2020, 06:44 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]one of Kamm's biggest concerned ab small guards breaking down after 30 and here we are.

Great memory.

To be clear, moreso connected to minutes played (but age often has a correlation). I showed a whole slew of guards last summer who broke down around the 22,000-24,000 minute mark. Kemba just crossed that threshold. I anticipate he slows down QUICKLY the season after this one.

I mean he certainly could breakdown, that's a risk but then so could anybody. I don't recall Kemba having some big injury history. You have CP3 out there making an impact in his mid-30s.

I would have done the deal for sure had it been available. He has basically 2 years before he's an expiring so I don't think you were married to him forever. Brogdan was my favorite choice that the Mavs weren't at all interested in and he had a great year but Kemba I thought would have been good and helped us get further into the playoffs.

Since that didn't happen I am good with where we are now. I like J Rich a lot as a solid starter next to Luka.

(12-15-2020, 03:40 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]

PAIN

(12-15-2020, 03:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]PAIN

It is crazy to me that adding an ALL NBA player who does not occupy/crowd the same space on offense as the Mavs two best players, is an elite screen/roller (which is needed), and is an elite defender and rim protector is somehow "painful."

(12-15-2020, 03:47 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]It is crazy to me that adding an ALL NBA player who does not occupy/crowd the same space on offense as the Mavs two best players, is an elite screen/roller (which is needed), and is an elite defender and rim protector is somehow "painful."

Nonetheless, painful is what it is.

Rather have Isaac IMO...

(12-15-2020, 04:01 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]Rather have Isaac IMO...

Or John Collins.  Maybe even OPJ...   I want some defensive flexibility where the game is played.

We are paying an active, athletic, rim protecting/running C a mere 4.1M to do the things we would have to pay considerably more for Gobert to do.  I am happy with paying those rates for that skillset and spending the money on players who can shoot and defend in space (and in collins' case at the rim too).