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(12-22-2020, 08:02 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]You can make a very strong argument that Gobert is better than Mutombo was. 

Maybe, but Mutombo was pretty freakin great in his time.

(12-23-2020, 11:35 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a member of the Tyson Chandler fan club, which has the core belief that Mark should have CTC for Tyson in 2011. So, it's awful that you guys are pushing this conversation to this point. But...

Gobert is better than Tyson. 

And the Whiteside comparison is silly. Whiteside never came close to impacting the game like Gobert. No one ever for a second considered Whiteside even close to what Gobert is now. Forget this argument for a second about whether Gobert is a top 10 player and just consider the concensus NBA comunity opinion that Gobert is at least top 20. Whiteside was never close to that. 

I'm not even much of a Gobert fan. I don't want him on the floor with KP. But even if Kam is a bit off with his top 10 assessment, he's not off by much just based on NBA community concensus. Kam is way closer to reality than most of these arguments that are calling him crazy. 

The "Whiteside is a good comp" thing is crazy. Go take that argument to folks that know more than we do and see how far you get.

Not crazy at all, he was monster on the boards, blocked shots, high point avg considering it was all around the basket stuff. He was better than Andre Drummond. You did not want to step in the paint with him back there. He averaged almost 4 blocks a game one season??! WTF you are not giving him enough credit.

https://www.nba.com/news/2020-21-gmsurvey

Hey remember when I said no GM would actually pick Gobert over Davis when starting a franchise? Of course he didn't even get a mention. Giannis and Luka were obvious choices given their age then Davis.

Gobert gets one mention in this whole survey as the fourth best defensive player in the league. So there you go, actual GMs running NBA franchises (81% of them anyway).

(12-23-2020, 05:22 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]WTF you are not giving him enough credit.

...in order to balance the universe. You're giving him enough for all of us.

(12-23-2020, 06:54 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]...in order to balance the universe. You're giving him enough for all of us.

What in the world are you talking ab? I am saying he is not that far off from Gobert who you are severely overrating. Gobert not a top 10 player, not even close. Most of the top 10 guys are going to be perennial all-stars like Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard, guys who are also critical to the offense. Gobert is a very good player in a position that's been steadily marginalized over the years. He is not a top 10 guy or someone you build a franchise around, certainly not as your best player.

(12-23-2020, 07:30 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]What in the world are you talking ab? I am saying he is not that far off from Gobert who you are severely overrating. Gobert not a top 10 player, not even close.

Start a Whiteside thread and ask everyone else what they think. I think you're overrating him way more than Kam is overrating Gobert. I actually haven't rated Gobert. I've only said that Kam used data to arrive at his opinion and that NBA community consensus is that Gobert is at least top 20. Why do you want to talk about this so much? And why am I responding to you? Do you need something to do?

(12-23-2020, 07:50 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Start a Whiteside thread and ask everyone else what they think. I think you're overrating him way more than Kam is overrating Gobert. I actually haven't rated Gobert. I've only said that Kam used data to arrive at his opinion and that NBA community consensus is that Gobert is at least top 20. Why do you want to talk about this so much? And why am I responding to you? Do you need something to do?

I don't understand how I am overrating him? By comparing him to Gobert? That only overrates him if you think Gobert is this all-world player which he isn't.

(12-23-2020, 07:53 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand how I am overrating him? By comparing him to Gobert? That only overrates him if you think Gobert is this all-world player which he isn't.

There is a lot of room between Whiteside and All-World. 

You don't have to trust me. I'm not an expert at basketball. Ask everyone else.

Hey everyone, is SBJ overrating Whiteside?

(12-23-2020, 08:23 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]There is a lot of room between Whiteside and All-World. 

You don't have to trust me. I'm not an expert at basketball. Ask everyone else.

Hey everyone, is SBJ overrating Whiteside?

I am not saying Whiteside was ever a top 10 NBA player - what ab that are you misunderstanding? I compare him to Gobert along with other guys who in their prime were great centers (Chandler, Noah, Adams) and you act like that is crazy. What's crazy is claiming that Gobert right now is a top 10 NBA player. He isn't.

(12-23-2020, 08:33 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I am not saying Whiteside was ever a top 10 NBA player - what ab that are you misunderstanding? I compare him to Gobert along with other guys who in their prime were great centers (Chandler, Noah, Adams) and you act like that is crazy. What's crazy is claiming that Gobert right now is a top 10 NBA player. He isn't.

Dear MavsForum, I am sorry.

(12-23-2020, 08:50 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Dear MavsForum, I am sorry.

I guess you ran out of ways to defend this argument?

(12-23-2020, 09:05 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I guess you ran out of ways to defend this argument?

I can't defend having this argument.

(12-23-2020, 09:44 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I can't defend having this argument.

Replace duck and rabbit with Gobert and Whiteside.

Still not a top 10 player.

I'm rethinking my existence

damn, i was in the wrong thread all along..

https://media.giphy.com/media/tyqcJoNjNv0Fq/giphy.gif

Whiteside averaged 15.5/13.5 on 64.4% TS and lead the league in blocks (2.9). He was rewarded with a minimum deal from the Kings because no contender was willing to sign him.
Gobert averaged 15.1/13.5 on 69.9% TS. Only 2blks per game. He signed a max deal this summer.

Maybe just maybe GMs around the league see the same thing that Kamm tried to explain more than once. To sum it up. Gobert is the best defender of the last 3-5 years. Whiteside stuffs the boxscore and isn´t helping (sometimes even hurting) his team.

I know we gave @"Kammrath" a lot of grief, but seeing how the Mavs lack rebounds in the past game, having Gobert would of made the Mavs 2-0 by now.