it doesn't really matter whether we win the lottery or not, unless we get a top 2 pick with which we can draft wemby or scoot. barring these two the rest lottery guys look just as good, nowhere as great as wemby or even scoot but anyone of them would bring instant help to our team if tutored correctly. Even if i had the #4 i would probably still choose walker over the Thompson twins, or maybe we can trade down the pick to get extra assets but we'd have to find the right partner first which ain't that easy.
I'm gonna go ahead and assume the Mavs pick at 10.
I'm obviously not a scout but, it seems to me this is a deep draft. I figured there could be multiple Donovan-Mitchell like calibre players in this. There is good reason to keep the pick.
At 10, the ideal scenario is picking Hendricks. I don't think he'd get picked top 5, but starting 6 he's on his way.
The wors possible outcome at 10, would be picking Gradey Dick and keeping him.
That said, if the Mavs get 10, and Hendricks is gone, I'd see if BKN is interested in swapping picks and players.
Trade: McGee+Bertans+10 for Claxton+Royce Oneal+21.
Keep the pick, would be awesome if Leonard Miller or Jalen Hood-Schifino is still available at 21.
Another version would be:
Trade: THJ+10 for Claxton+Royce Oneal+21+22
Keep one pick and trade the other one.
Probably RB+22 can get you someone.
Why are you after Royce O'Neal? We could get God King back in your scenario. I think he is a better player than Royce O'Neal and he is our dude.
Villanova's Cam Whitmore declared for the draft. I have seen him rated from 5 to 12 in a few sites. Physically, he should be really high. This year was up and down for him. He got injured and in the games I saw he seemed to not fit in great and settled for threes too much. I would also like to see him rebound a little better. But he has a ton of upside. One of the more talented athletes in the draft class.
Kyle Flipkowski from Duke announced he was returning to Duke. He was probably a late teens/early 20's pick, so those in favor of trading down this eliminates one guy to be picked in that range. I don't believe he would have been a factor for Dallas to pick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DOM_ROCxUA
Starting to feel like if we sneak into the tail end of the top 4 that Jerace Walker could solve A LOT of problems for us. Would probably take him over Brandon Miller if both were available.
walker was assumed a late 1st round pick earlier this season but his ranked skyrocketed amazingly after ASB and now he is a top 10 or even top five prospect.
Would love to leap over Utah and get a 1-4 pick only to trade them for Markkanen and the #10.
(04-12-2023, 09:26 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Would love to leap over Utah and get a 1-4 pick only to trade them for Markkanen and the #10.
If they get top 4 and don't pick Brandon Miller if he's available that's a huge mistake. Markkanen doesn't help the defensive issues at all.
Any thoughts on GG Jackson. Youngest player in the draft class. Mock drafts have him all over the place. From borderline top 10 to late 1st/early 2nd round.
Some scouting reports view him as Kevin Durant 2.0. Others aren´t sure if he will even make it in the NBA.
(04-12-2023, 09:50 AM)Dirknows Wrote: [ -> ]If they get top 4 and don't pick Brandon Miller if he's available that's a huge mistake. Markkanen doesn't help the defensive issues at all.
My understanding is his defense improved quite significantly this year.
Defensive WS and RAPTOR are both positive.
His rebounding improved significantly this year.
Best of all, he’s proven to be a great player in the league.
We also get the #10 pick.
Not sure what’s not to like. I mainly threw it out there after running the simulation on Tankathon and we got the #3 pick and saw Utah at #10. I chuckled at the thought. If we were to get the 1 or 2 pick, the compensation would need to be much higher, but in general we still get a great player and our rightful pick in the draft.
5 weeks until the draft lottery.
Why do I feel like this is a make or break event for DAL? Get in/move up and there are a lot of opportunities to get a rookie-contract contributor or trade for vet talent and slightly lower picks. Miss out and NYKs get the pick and DAL is stuck with hoping to sign a player they don't really want (I don't care what Cuban says about KI) and hoping they can find improved contributors on the FA market (because this has been soooo successful in the past), which likely means another season of mediocrity.
Disappointed in the season and disillusioned they can do anything to improve. Sorry for the negative vibes.
(04-12-2023, 10:25 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Any thoughts on GG Jackson. Youngest player in the draft class. Mock drafts have him all over the place. From borderline top 10 to late 1st/early 2nd round.
Some scouting reports view him as Kevin Durant 2.0. Others aren´t sure if he will even make it in the NBA.
I hope the Mavs have been doing their homework. As you mentioned, he is very young. He is probably not ready to an impact right away. But he is 6'9,athletic and has some guard skills. It looks like his frame can add muscle too. I could see a team like Utah/OKC making a calculated long term gamble with him.
(04-12-2023, 09:50 AM)Dirknows Wrote: [ -> ]If they get top 4 and don't pick Brandon Miller if he's available that's a huge mistake. Markkanen doesn't help the defensive issues at all.
Does Miller? That's a genuine question, I have trouble getting a read on whether he will be a good defender at the next level. There's a few names in there that clearly will be immediately and I think this team would be better off taking Scoot over Miller in a hypothetical because that star power behind Scoot seems to be real and it gives you an opportunity to work a sign and trade with Kyrie or let him walk and try to use the cap space to start filling in holes in the frontcourt.
i hope we win the lottery, even the #1 with which we can draft wemby. but realistically, lottery is rigged and we ain't getting a top 4, i'd be satisfied as long as we keep our #10. pick walker at 10 and get a decent big from 2nd round the way we got hardy. zach eday is a prospect worth consideration imho. zach got size and strengthen, good rebounding and shot blocking abilities, with averages of 22pts and 13rebs plus 2 blks. although as a traditional big he may struggle a bit at the small ball age, he would be a significant upgrade over powell at the very least.
So...
Are the Mavs in "win-now" mode?
If you thought that Luka's window of opportunity was small, how about when we re-sign Kyrie to big dollars?
I'd argue that the front office believes they've secured two very rare franchise building blocks, and their remaining holes are much easier and cheaper to fill. So win now? Yes.
In a win-now scenario, draft picks have minimal value. First, it's a crapshoot whether you'll actually draft a contributing NBA player, regardless of how great your player evaluation team is. And second, it's really rare to have a first-year player contribute much, even if they end up being a superstar someday.
For those reasons, I predict they will trade their pick.
Draft pick plus neutral-to-slightly-negative player/contract for reliable, productive player.
Going on record to state what I think will happen as a result of the NBA Investigation of the Mavs tanking.
1. I think the NYK have filed a strong complaint on the Mavs the NBA can't ignore.
2. Therefore, I think the ruling will come after the lottery drawing.
3. If Mavs move up into the top 4 - the NBA will void the pick and Cuban will be suspended.
4. If Mavs stay at 10 - the NBA will void the pick. Mavs/NYK 2024 trade still applies.
5. It some team jumps the Mavs and NY gets the 11th pick - I think the Mavs will just be fined for tanking.
I think # 5 is the most likely outcome of this NBA Mavs tanking investigation.
(04-13-2023, 01:51 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ]Going on record to state what I think will happen as a result of the NBA Investigation of the Mavs tanking.
1. I think the NYK have filed a strong complaint on the Mavs the NBA can't ignore.
2. Therefore, I think the ruling will come after the lottery drawing.
3. If Mavs move up into the top 4 - the NBA will void the pick and Cuban will be suspended.
4. If Mavs stay at 10 - the NBA will void the pick. Mavs/NYK 2024 trade still applies.
5. It some team jumps the Mavs and NY gets the 11th pick - I think the Mavs will just be fined for tanking.
I think # 5 is the most likely outcome of this NBA Mavs tanking investigation.
That ain´t happening. If they try to virtually force Cuban out of the league and he´ll starts suing the NBA left and right. Utah, Portland, Indiana, Washington tanked the play-in this season alone, earlier and much longer than the Mavs. That´s before we get into the other teams making no efforts to win in the last two weeks and resting players all the time. Knowing Memphis would play nobody on the final day, prompted the Mavs decision to tank, because despite having a mathematical chance, they felt they had no realistic chance. Sure you are guilty of "murder" because you confessed, but that doesn´t mean other people can get away with murder. In this case it´s pretty much open and shut case. The evidence is over-whelming and the rest of the NBA is just as guilty.
It will be a seven figure fine, as usual for Cuban.
(04-13-2023, 02:07 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]That ain´t happening. If they try to virtually force Cuban out of the league and he´ll starts suing the NBA left and right. Utah, Portland, Indiana, Washington tanked the play-in this season alone, earlier and much longer than the Mavs. That´s before we get into the other teams making no efforts to win in the last two weeks and resting players all the time. Knowing Memphis would play nobody on the final day, prompted the Mavs decision to tank, because despite having a mathematical chance, they felt they had no realistic chance. Sure you are guilty of "murder" because you confessed, but that doesn´t mean other people can get away with murder. In this case it´s pretty much open and shut case. The evidence is over-whelming and the rest of the NBA is just as guilty.
It will be a seven figure fine, as usual for Cuban.
I do agree with you that the fine will be seven figures. Still going with my # 5 option as most likely result.
5. If some team jumps the Mavs and NY gets the 11th pick - I think the Mavs will just be fined for tanking.
(04-13-2023, 01:51 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ]Going on record to state what I think will happen as a result of the NBA Investigation of the Mavs tanking.
1. I think the NYK have filed a strong complaint on the Mavs the NBA can't ignore.
2. Therefore, I think the ruling will come after the lottery drawing.
3. If Mavs move up into the top 4 - the NBA will void the pick and Cuban will be suspended.
4. If Mavs stay at 10 - the NBA will void the pick. Mavs/NYK 2024 trade still applies.
5. It some team jumps the Mavs and NY gets the 11th pick - I think the Mavs will just be fined for tanking.
I think # 5 is the most likely outcome of this NBA Mavs tanking investigation.
I dont see them taking away a top 4 pick. Not out in the open.
Thats why you are correct, and option 5 is what will happen. Its the only option. They will rig the lottery so we get the 11th pick., This WILL happen.