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Nuggets make their 2nd move for more picks. I like it. They are really setting a standard for how to build a roster and collect assets.

(06-21-2023, 12:36 PM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: [ -> ]Nuggets make their 2nd move for more picks. I like it. They are really setting a standard for how to build a roster and collect assets.

Please they just don´t understand the CBA as well as Cuban. I take any bets they take Whitehead, if he is there. MPJ 2.0.

(06-21-2023, 12:34 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]A "win now" team that is smart enough to extend the window. Adding young talent instead of chasing veteran stop gap x/y/z.

Because they have their core already. They have the luxury of playing that core and adding cheap young talent to see if one or more break out to slowly replace some pieces of the core. You can't compare Mavs and Nuggets situation. Nugs have the championship starting five locked for two more years and the only rotation guy they might be losing is Brown.

Jake Fisher saying Whitmore may be there at 10. What am I missing. I said early in the process, he was my hope. Since then, I didn’t really look at him because I thought he wouldn’t be an option at 10. I did watch a full game of his and was pretty bored with the game. He stayed a lot at the three point line and held the ball a lot. But his high school highlights were so impressive and he was playing for a weird team with a new head coach, that I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Am I putting too much emphasis on his jaw dropping talents while hiding his weak points? Is it injury concerns? Maturity?

From my initial glance, he would be a home run for me at 10. But what am I missing?

(06-21-2023, 07:15 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Jake Fisher saying Whitmore may be there at 10.  What am I missing.  I said early in the process, he was my hope.  Since then, I didn’t really look at him because I thought he wouldn’t be an option at 10.  I did watch a full game of his and was pretty bored with the game.  He stayed a lot at the three point line and held the ball a lot.  But his high school highlights were so impressive and he was playing for a weird team with a new head coach, that I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Am I putting too much emphasis on his jaw dropping talents while hiding his weak points?  Is it injury concerns?  Maturity?

From my initial glance, he would be a home run for me at 10.  But what am I missing?

He's been mocked consistently - like monolithically - at 5 until now. I think some folks are lying about their intentions. If he's the guy, you draft him and run away laughing.

(06-21-2023, 07:15 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Jake Fisher saying Whitmore may be there at 10.  What am I missing.  I said early in the process, he was my hope.  Since then, I didn’t really look at him because I thought he wouldn’t be an option at 10.  I did watch a full game of his and was pretty bored with the game.  He stayed a lot at the three point line and held the ball a lot.  But his high school highlights were so impressive and he was playing for a weird team with a new head coach, that I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Am I putting too much emphasis on his jaw dropping talents while hiding his weak points?  Is it injury concerns?  Maturity?

From my initial glance, he would be a home run for me at 10.  But what am I missing?

This guy has seen a lot of him and kind of agrees with you.

https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/...30619.html

(06-21-2023, 07:42 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]This guy has seen a lot of him and kind of agrees with you.

https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/...30619.html

Interesting.  Thanks.

Here is coach spins with a Whitmore breakdown before his freshman year with a coach spins cameo.

https://youtu.be/MS01frqWjTQ

(06-21-2023, 07:42 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]This guy has seen a lot of him and kind of agrees with you.

https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/...30619.html

“I just don’t love on-ball players that don’t read the game well and [don’t] make others better.”

Sounds like exactly what the Mavs need.

(06-21-2023, 07:39 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]He's been mocked consistently - like monolithically - at 5 until now. I think some folks are lying about their intentions. If he's the guy, you draft him and run away laughing.

Agreed.
It's not like the Mavs are picking at 5.

Whitmore at 10 is a steal, and it would be really be dumb of the Mavs if they trade the 10th with him still available.

I get that he doesn't have the passing skills and his feel of the game isn't all that good.
But the Mavs aren't exactly taking Stromile Swift here.
Whitmore can catch and shoot like the Mavs contemporaries at wing.
But unlike RB and (previously) DFS, Whitmore can dribble and is a legit vertical threat.

If Whitmore can defend at a decent rate (which from all indications he could), he has a role on the Mavs on year 1.
The next few years would tell if he gets to be a Miles Bridges starter kit, or a star combo forward.

Ok I’m locking in my top picks.
Tier 1: If he falls to us here, the Mavs better take him or I’m gonna flip my lid
1) Grady Dick

• Amazing shooter. His offensive efficiency is incredible. Shot 57% on transition threes. He was 18-33 in catch and shoot transition threes. He has an uncanny ability to take a 1 dribble side step and let it launch. His 3pt shooting ability has been understated imo. He’s that good of a shooter. He is more than just a 3pt shooter though. He showed he can find creative ways to get a shot off and was able to attack the basket. Biggest concern is if a team makes him a dribbler, can he hang with the big boys?  Can he feel comfortable shooting if the 2nd/3rd/4th shot are all taken away from him?
  
• He actually wasn’t a bad defender at KU. He moved his feet well and was able to contain many wings. His biggest issue is foot speed. I can see him getting absolutely torched in the PnR against the likes of Fox/Young/Curry etc. But then again, who don’t they torch?
  
• Best case scenario: Bigger Klay Thompson. Ray Allen. Peja Stojakovic.
  
• Realistic case Scenario: Buddy Hield, Kyle Korver, Cam Johnson
  
• Worst case scenario: Davis Bertans? Duncan Robinson Any 1 dimensional 3pt spot up shooter that can’t get on the floor cause of poor defense.
  

2) Cam Whitmore

• Athleticism off the charts. Incredibly smart movement on the court. Really explodes to the rim. Has no left hand when going up to score, but does it matter if you’re above everyone? He knows how to cut/drive. Reminds me a lot of Josh Green in that way. Which makes his fit next to Luka already promising. His 3pt shot isn’t anywhere the likes of Dick, but his mechanics are solid and his percentages were good enough. I can’t see why he couldn’t be a 40% 3pt shooter in the next level. His release is slow, but overall I think he will be fine
  
• His defense is actually tantalizing. Active hands and feet. Athletic enough to keep up with quick guards but big enough to stay with bigger wings.
  
• Best case scenario: Jaylen Brown. Smaller PG13. Desmond Bane
  
• Realistic case scenario: Jae Crowder. Dorian Finney Smith. Deandre Hunter, Saddiq Bey
  
• Worst case scenario: Justise Winslow
  

3) Taylor Hendricks

• His defense is incredible. Wow. His rim defense is game changing. I thought his ability to close space in such a short time span will make him invaluable in the big leagues. Really long arms and can keep up on the perimeter.,
  
• His shooting is solid. This alone will make him translate. A 6’9 F that can shoot like he does will last.
  
• Best case scenario: Pascal Siakam with a 3? Jerami Grant
  
• Realistic case scenario: Maxi Kleber. Aaron Gordon
  
• Worst case: Al Farouq Aminu
  

(06-21-2023, 07:15 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Jake Fisher saying Whitmore may be there at 10.  What am I missing.  I said early in the process, he was my hope.  Since then, I didn’t really look at him because I thought he wouldn’t be an option at 10.  I did watch a full game of his and was pretty bored with the game.  He stayed a lot at the three point line and held the ball a lot.  But his high school highlights were so impressive and he was playing for a weird team with a new head coach, that I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Am I putting too much emphasis on his jaw dropping talents while hiding his weak points?  Is it injury concerns?  Maturity?

From my initial glance, he would be a home run for me at 10.  But what am I missing?

Injury concerns and tunnel vision, it seems.
At 10, I would take him

I got the copyright on Matricks just saying. Strange that people always make next Tyson Chandler comparisons, but never next Shawn Marion comparisons. He was just as important to that championship team defending Kobe, KD and LeBron in a row. That´s my Taylor Hendricks ceiling.

(06-22-2023, 05:10 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]I got the copyright on Matricks just saying. Strange that people always make next Tyson Chandler comparisons, but never next Shawn Marion comparisons. He was just as important to that championship team defending Kobe, KD and LeBron in a row. That´s my Taylor Hendricks ceiling.

You simply can't be Matrix without the defensive instincts. But you can easly be Jaxon Hayes, that's exactly what the Mavs need!

(06-21-2023, 11:22 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]Whitmore at 10 is a steal, and it would be really be dumb of the Mavs if they trade the 10th with him still available.

Latest Athletic mock has Whitmore still available at 10. I would hunt down and DESTROY Cuban if we got Whitmore at 10 and then traded him for some mediocre veteran.

Lively gets picked at SIX!

https://theathletic.com/4622646/2023/06/...ds-trades/

(06-22-2023, 07:21 AM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]Latest Athletic mock has Whitmore still available at 10. I would hunt down and DESTROY Cuban if we got Whitmore at 10 and then traded him for some mediocre veteran.

I haven't paid attention to Whitmore much since he was mocked so high until recently.  If everything goes well, I see something between Miles Bridges and Keldon Johnson in 2-3 years.  Do you see more than that?

(06-22-2023, 07:27 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't paid attention to Whitmore much since he was mocked so high until recently.  If everything goes well, I see something between Miles Bridges and Keldon Johnson in 2-3 years.  Do you see more than that?

I see more than that. I think if everything goes well Whitmore has Jaylen Brown type of ceiling.

(06-22-2023, 07:35 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I see more than that. I think if everything goes well Whitmore has Jaylen Brown type of ceiling.

Perfect.  Exactly what I was looking for.  Thanks

(06-22-2023, 07:27 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't paid attention to Whitmore much since he was mocked so high until recently.  If everything goes well, I see something between Miles Bridges and Keldon Johnson in 2-3 years.  Do you see more than that?

I haven't paid a ton of attention to him either but he is super athletic. I think he could easily be a bust or an All-Star within a couple of years.

But to get him at 10 would be amazing!

(06-22-2023, 07:35 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I see more than that. I think if everything goes well Whitmore has Jaylen Brown type of ceiling.

If the medicals are cleared, you have to take him if available.

I don't see Lively going #6, but if he does AND a team like the Jazz take a chance on Coulibay, Mavs could have some nice options at 10. But for now I'm expecting the pick to be Lively or Gradey Dick.