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(07-07-2022, 10:29 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]This. A big guy like Shaq could bowl through everyone and dunk literally every possession and his team would still lose because he would give up wide open 3 after wide open 3 and since 3>2 there wouldn't be enough possessions for them to make up the difference in points. It's what we did to Phoenix this year in the playoffs, we gave up easy buckets at the rim to CP3 and others and just out-mathed them with our 3s.

I get the idea, but that isn't how math works.  Even if he gives up shots at a higher %, the opposition still has to make them.  If Shaq is hitting at 70%, he is outpacing someone who is hitting 40% on 3's.  Even if he hit at 60%, which is close to his career avg, he still breaks even, but it still opens up all the free looks for HIS team when the defense has to collapse to prevent him from hitting 90%...  which is what would happen if he was 1v1 on Draymond in the post.

The best shot in basketball is still a dunk.  No one shoots a high enough % from 3 to beat the efficiency of a dunk. Also add in the fact that it is better for your defense if the opposing team is inbounding the ball that much, vs transition basketball off of misses/long rebounds.

It is just hypothetical, but I really do think that at some point, a dominant big will rise up again and take over against these small guys.  Could you imagine what Hakeem could be like in today's game?  OMG!  Post moves galore and the ability to guard anyone.  I just think that the pendulum has probably swung too far towards the perimeter game - or will in the not to distant future.  Who knows...  3pt %'s could also rise to higher leaguewide avg's to compensate.

(07-06-2022, 10:48 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...7796176899

"HATER"

Shaq hypotheticals are pointless. The NBA literally changed the rules.  Shaq’s go to move was to drop his shoulder and move folks out of the way. He won’t be able to do that anymore. He struggled even in his later years once that rule was in play. 

It is not an accident that small ball type teams are dominating. The league made a conscious decision with a lot of things along the way to ensure that.  Shaq growing up in this generation would be a skinnier guy shooting a lot of 3s. Else he would have a tough time making it.

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(07-07-2022, 11:06 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/statu...1590949893

More than the stat line it was about how he did it. He looked like he has been doing this for years. Didn’t seem hurried at all. Contrast with someone like RJ Hampton. Obviously talented but even with NBA experience he seemed hurried and playing out of control.

(07-07-2022, 11:10 PM)hakeemfaan Wrote: [ -> ]Shaq hypotheticals are pointless. The NBA literally changed the rules.  Shaq’s go to move was to drop his shoulder and move folks out of the way. He won’t be able to do that anymore. He struggled even in his later years once that rule was in play. 

It is not an accident that small ball type teams are dominating. The league made a conscious decision with a lot of things along the way to ensure that.  Shaq growing up in this generation would be a skinnier guy shooting a lot of 3s. Else he would have a tough time making it.

This. Just compare Embiid´s and Jokic´s FTr. One is facing up and going to the line at will. The other is posting up and getting hacked on every single attempt. More often than not without a call. And it´s not like he can respond in kind. Aggressive attempts to back down players or create space in the post are offensive fouls.

Just me 

(07-07-2022, 11:10 PM)hakeemfaan Wrote: [ -> ]More than the stat line it was about how he did it. He looked like he has been doing this for years. Didn’t seem hurried at all. Contrast with someone like RJ Hampton. Obviously talented but even with NBA experience he seemed hurried and playing out of control.

https://streamable.com/j05xzi

Couldn't have said it better myself.

(07-07-2022, 11:18 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]This. Just compare Embiid´s and Jokic´s FTr. One is facing up and going to the line at will. The other is posting up and getting hacked on every single attempt. More often than not without a call. And it´s not like he can respond in kind. Aggressive attempts to back down players or create space in the post are offensive fouls.

Exactly. As a big guy C/PF, you have to move like walking on eggs these days. Smaller guys anticipate, get into your way and flop at the slightest contact. No way you can barrel into the zone like old school centers did. Even more mobile ones, always move with 70-80% to be able to adjust. Smaller guys can just jump into the bigger guy and often get the and1 whistle. 

This is why centers are marginalised in today's NBA. Fast, quick movement trumps power and size. 

(07-07-2022, 10:47 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]I get the idea, but that isn't how math works.  Even if he gives up shots at a higher %, the opposition still has to make them.  If Shaq is hitting at 70%, he is outpacing someone who is hitting 40% on 3's.  Even if he hit at 60%, which is close to his career avg, he still breaks even, but it still opens up all the free looks for HIS team when the defense has to collapse to prevent him from hitting 90%...  which is what would happen if he was 1v1 on Draymond in the post.

The best shot in basketball is still a dunk.  No one shoots a high enough % from 3 to beat the efficiency of a dunk. Also add in the fact that it is better for your defense if the opposing team is inbounding the ball that much, vs transition basketball off of misses/long rebounds.

It is just hypothetical, but I really do think that at some point, a dominant big will rise up again and take over against these small guys.  Could you imagine what Hakeem could be like in today's game?  OMG!  Post moves galore and the ability to guard anyone.  I just think that the pendulum has probably swung too far towards the perimeter game - or will in the not to distant future.  Who knows...  3pt %'s could also rise to higher leaguewide avg's to compensate.

The game has swung towards the perimeter game because the skill level of NBA non stars, from starters down to end of the bench, has risen 10 fold. Everyone can shoot, so 3's are the most valuable shot. The most effective shot is a dunk, but it's much much easier to get a 3 point shot than it is a dunk. Hakeem doesn't cut it IMO, you literally would need a Shaq who can literally get layups/dunks on almost every possession because he can just go through literally every players in the league. We might not see a Shaq for ever again, especially because developmentally, kids are being pushed to develop skillsets that are completely different to when Shaq himself was a kid. Shaq growing up today might have been pushed to develop his shooting and actually be out on the perimeter knocking down 3 pointers and never developed his post game the way he did growing up in the 80's.

Paolo looked really good last night. I was impressed.   Jabari has a great build.    He is so young but you can definitely see some of his knocks to his game.   He will need some time but that is to be expected.  

I too wasn't impressed with Hampton.  I was curious where he was going to fit in with Orlando.  I thought he would make a play for PT this year.   I am not sure now.   He got some points but as a guy entering his 3rd year, he should be more of a presence out there.  

I was listening to Zach Lowe's podcast yesterday.   He is really high on the Rockets future and also made a case they will be a FA destination as well.  It is odd how different NBA players view Dallas vs Houston for some reason.   It was also depressing hearing them talk about how well New Orleans is positioned.

(07-08-2022, 04:17 AM)Dundalis Wrote: [ -> ]The game has swung towards the perimeter game because the skill level of NBA non stars, from starters down to end of the bench, has risen 10 fold. Everyone can shoot, so 3's are the most valuable shot. The most effective shot is a dunk, but it's much much easier to get a 3 point shot than it is a dunk. Hakeem doesn't cut it IMO, you literally would need a Shaq who can literally get layups/dunks on almost every possession because he can just go through literally every players in the league. We might not see a Shaq for ever again, especially because developmentally, kids are being pushed to develop skillsets that are completely different to when Shaq himself was a kid. Shaq growing up today might have been pushed to develop his shooting and actually be out on the perimeter knocking down 3 pointers and never developed his post game the way he did growing up in the 80's.

Giannis won the title and finals MVP while shooting 18% or so from 3PT. 
Would say a super star who base his game on dunks and attacking the rim can absolutely succeed nowadays.
I would say the main issue is to not block the paint and being survivable on defense.

So Hardy and Wright are the main players for us to watch.  After that is is Bingham and then probably Alston and Lecque.  Maybe someone else surprises.    Not knowing much about the others, I am worried we don't appear to have a veteran point guard.   Someone to help keep the ball moving.   My fear is it turns into my turn, your turn.

Hopefully this years roster is better than last years roster.  That team was really tough to watch and I stopped watching a few games in.

Pistons front court looked really good. Stewart was 3/4 from 3. If he developed a consistent 3-ball they can play Stewart and Duren next to each other. Easily the most athletic PF/C duo in the league.
With Cunningham, Ivey and Bey playing 1-3. Probably my favorit young team right now.

(07-08-2022, 08:00 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Pistons front court looked really good. Stewart was 3/4 from 3. If he developed a consistent 3-ball they can play Stewart and Duren next to each other. Easily the most athletic PF/C duo in the league.
With Cunningham, Ivey and Bey playing 1-3. Probably my favorit young team right now.

Detroit is building a nice young team. Can't believe Duren is still 18 yrs old and already has a NBA body.  Troy Weaver understudied under one of the best in Sam Presti.  Still not ready to contend just yet, but look out in a few seasons. Another team to watch is Houston. They have some young studs as well.

(07-08-2022, 07:57 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ]Giannis won the title and finals MVP while shooting 18% or so from 3PT. 
Would say a super star who base his game on dunks and attacking the rim can absolutely succeed nowadays.
I would say the main issue is to not block the paint and being survivable on defense.

Giannis is not just survivable on defense. He is one of the best. Giannis also handles the ball like a guard. Shaq could do neither.  At least that iteration of Shaq. However that’s why I said it’s difficult to engage in hypotheticals because the Shaq growing up later would probably be a totally different type of player. 

It was not just Shaq. Even Barkley, Aguire, or a PG like Mark Jackson used to back folks down methodically and the NBA put a stop to all that. They didn’t want the game going in that direction.  It was a great move. Look at all the point forwards with size now.  My other fav sport is tennis. Garfia might be the closest to a stud on the horizon but it is not like the ATP has many next gen stars that folks are clamoring to watch. Meanwhile the NBA looks set for another 10-12 years easily and never seem to run out of must watch type of talent.

 
BTW for someone who wrote that Hakeem would not cut it now as opposed to Shaq, Hakeem is one of those who would absolutely dominate. He had the foot speed on defense, great offensive footwork, and a terrific fadeaway.  He was a skilled player who could kill you with skill or power, and skill is king now.