(03-25-2021, 04:38 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]The fact is, the Mavs probably don't beat the Blazers or Lakers (edit: moreso the Blazers than Lakers) without Peja's timely shooting. That alone is worth a 2nd rounder.
Revisionist history at its finest but it´s hard to argue against the emotions and memories of the championship run. People remember the shots that he made against the Lakers. They completly forget that he couldn´t guard a chair. Not to mention that the Mavs were up 2-0 against the Lakers. He was solid in game three and went supernova in game 4. He had one good game against the Blazers and made some big shots. Hard to argue that the Mavs would have lost the series without him.
(03-25-2021, 04:44 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I think we're a ways away from being able to compare this to the Peja move - that team was actually a contender. But, since we're talking about it, I watched every game of that playoff run about 3 times during the pandemic (all but maybe 2-3 games are on Youtube).
I was shocked at how much help Peja was in the series he played. He wasn't much help in the last two rounds, but you're absolutely right. He was a LEGIT contributor in the first two. I couldn't believe how different some of those things had gotten in my memory vs. reality. There were definitely a couple of games in that run that Shawn Marion won almost single-handedly, too.
That’s the thing is you never know. Most though we had a great shot when we lost first round as 1 seed to GSW. 2011 many people picked us to lose first round to Portland. We want to give every year a chance with Luka but the approach must be different than with Dirk. Vucevic and Gordon don’t move the needle enough
Been following the forum but this is my first post. As a local who has been to at least 10 games a year (pre-covid) since 2003, and a huge fan, i wanted to make a few comments on this trade and the Mavs overall prospects:
1) I like the trade overall, providing the JJ Reddick wants to be here. I know he wanted to go to the Nets, but I believe he is professional enough to accept the trade to a playoff contender. I also agree with those who value his experience and I loved the Peja references and remember well how that mid-season trade turned out for the Mavs. Here was the initial Bleacher Report reaction to that trade -
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/5916...any-better.
2) I can't speak for Melli, but as we all know, European players have found a home on the Mavs. Perhaps that environment will bring out the best but I doubt he gets much playing time.
3) Without injuries, Johnson and Iwundu did not get much playing time this year and did not appear to be long term pieces anyway. This also gives the potential (hopefully) for the Mavs rookies to start to get a little more playing time this year, especially if they can start games better and have some leads going into the 4th quarter.
4) While I don't love the 2nd round pick, given that it is 2021 and our improving record, it should be in the 50s.
5) I believe this team has improving chemistry. I am actually glad that they did not trade out a valuable asset like DFS, Maxi or Brunson trying to get a bigger name. The chances of a championship are low this year, but we need to continue to build toward the long term Luka contract and a little financial flexibility. I also think with our ongoing momentum and the fact that we have beaten 3 teams ahead of us in the standings in the last 3 weeks, I like our chances for a second round appearance this year. That would be a good step toward another long term playoff streak. I also believe we would be a top 4 team in the west right now wihtout the early winter covid debacle that decimated our roster.
Sorry if I am too positive!
(03-25-2021, 04:45 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]If all JJ does is have a 8 min stretch in one playoff win where he gets hot and makes 3-4 threes then it’s a slam dunk trade. A pick 48-52 is about as worthless an asset as it gets(especially when we lack a roster spot for that player)
But what if he is a big liability in the remaining minutes he is on the floor. It´s not like he is only playing eight perfect minutes.
I view the JJ Reddick trade as a small upgrade that may or may not work out. We will see. I wasn't expecting much. Sure, I had a fantasy of Gordon, but wasn't expecting it. I also had role of the dice of Drummond, Fournier, Oladipo as a talent grab. I wasn't expecting that. If a move was made, I was in favor of moving Johnson and getting a bigger wing/power forward type.
Even with Johnson, I thought this team was one PF away. I don't know if there was a move that would make us a serious contender this year, but I think they need another big body if they want to be some kind of threat imo. So I will be watching the buyout market. I am not sure if Melli is the answer. I am sure they will keep him if nothing opens, but I hope something opens. Time for the front office to close a guy if the right one hits the buyout market.
With that being said, I like Reddick. We will see what type of run he gets.
(03-25-2021, 04:55 PM)Letsgomavs20 Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry if I am too positive!
NEVER apologize for that. Now I need to work out the logistics of getting you to KP's #1 fan club on KP Island. I ordered too many "KPs #1 fan" shirts it seems so I'm glad I found someone to dump... err share with...
Welcome to the board!
(03-25-2021, 04:58 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]But what if he is a big liability in the remaining minutes he is on the floor. It´s not like he is only playing eight perfect minutes.
If he plays more than 10 min in a playoff game either he’s on fire or there’s terrible injuries between now and then. How much more production should be expected from a late 2nd?
(03-25-2021, 04:58 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]But what if he is a big liability in the remaining minutes he is on the floor.
Then he won't play a lot. Duh.
And what if he isn't a big liability? What if he's a helpful asset?
Dude, this is not that big a deal to moan about. He's replacing James Johnson who would not have been used. It can't hurt. It might help.
(03-25-2021, 04:39 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, he was done. But yet, opponents often stayed glued to his hip, like he was the dead-eye shooter of old. I can see Reddick commanding that sort of respect. James Johnson -- not so much.
Alright, if Mark Followil is in on JJ, I might as well be too!
(03-25-2021, 05:07 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]If he plays more than 10 min in a playoff game either he’s on fire or there’s terrible injuries between now and then. How much more production should be expected from a late 2nd?
He needs to be on the floor for a few minutes to determine if he is hot or not. It´s not like Redick walks into the arena and tells the coaches that he is hot and won´t miss a shot. He will be on the floor and over the entire season or even a playoff series he will be hurt the Mavs. One or two good games won´t change that.
(03-25-2021, 04:45 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]If all JJ does is have a 8 min stretch in one playoff win where he gets hot and makes 3-4 threes then it’s a slam dunk trade.
I would think that if James Johnson gets hot from 3 with the Pelicans it would be the opposite. Weird that you think that...
The selective memory of this community is something else. Feels like we are doing the same thing at every trade deadline or in free agency. First no one complains and one or few posters are the big bad haters. A few month later the entire board realizes that the MBT screwed up and they start to complain as well. I am getting tired of it so I will rest my case.
We can review the topic after the season. Let´s see if Redick has anything left in the tank. I would happily eat crow if he can actually help the Mavs.
I don't mind JJ Reddick. Seems like he was the best available option after the Fournier deal didn't go through. JSW was wrong when he said Fournier would go for more. I knew he wouldn't because its a rental situation but I am disappointed Dallas lost out on that deal. I would have been really excited about Fournier. Dallas could still get him this summer but you would have had his bird rights.
JJ Redick is at least a shooter, can't have enough of those. I have no idea who Nico Melli is.
(03-25-2021, 05:19 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]We can review the topic after the season.
Maybe we will get to the summer and think, "If only we had had Johnson instead." Right.
(03-25-2021, 04:59 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I view the JJ Reddick trade as a small upgrade that may or may not work out. We will see. I wasn't expecting much. Sure, I had a fantasy of Gordon, but wasn't expecting it. I also had role of the dice of Drummond, Fournier, Oladipo as a talent grab. I wasn't expecting that. If a move was made, I was in favor of moving Johnson and getting a bigger wing/power forward type.
Even with Johnson, I thought this team was one PF away. I don't know if there was a move that would make us a serious contender this year, but I think they need another big body if they want to be some kind of threat imo. So I will be watching the buyout market. I am not sure if Melli is the answer. I am sure they will keep him if nothing opens, but I hope something opens. Time for the front office to close a guy if the right one hits the buyout market.
With that being said, I like Reddick. We will see what type of run he gets.
This is where I am as well, I value flexible personnel and the Mavs do strongly lack a natural physical big. Boban is not that guy to put in that category.
The Mavs need a legit 5 IMO someone that is physical like Whiteside or Drummond to counter the guys we will see in the playoffs like Zubac, etc.
The Mavs do not seem to value that
It sucks that Dipo went for basically nothing. Must have just been a situation where he is going to sign with Miami anyway so his agent helped steer him there. Houston really screwed up not getting LaVert.
This makes me think the Mavs didn't want to figure out how to integrate Dipo in the last two months of the season vs JJ Reddick who is easier to slide into the bench unit or use on an as-needed basis.
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