(03-25-2021, 03:49 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, and that's the same basic plea I'm making here. Maybe it's not coming across the way it's intended.
More for you to take your own advice. haha. No offense. The world is too shitty and stressful right now for this place to get me down.
(03-25-2021, 03:52 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine a lineup of Luka/JRich/Reddick/Maxi/KP
Opposing team runs pick and roll on whoever Luka and Redick are defending on loop.
(03-25-2021, 03:52 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]The world is too shitty and stressful right now for this place to get me down.
Ohhhhh, I see. This place never "gets me down."
Sometimes (rarely), it makes me want to go to talk about the Mavs with different friends is all. I'm fine. Make sense?
Seriously think that most people haven´t watched a single minute of Redick this season. They probably think of a 76ers or Clippers playoff game and hope that he can still play a similar role.
His biggest problem isn´t the shot itself. He can probably shoot lights out in an empty gym. Problem is that he cannot get open.
(03-25-2021, 03:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Ohhhhh, I see. This place never "gets me down."
Sometimes (rarely), it makes me want to go to talk about the Mavs with different friends is all. I'm fine. Make sense?
Just busting your chops a little. I think the perspective I keep is that everyone wants the best from the Mavs even if our views on that path to success greatly differ.
(03-25-2021, 03:57 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously think that most people haven´t watched a single minute of Redick this season. They probably think of a 76ers or Clippers playoff game and hope that he can still play a similar role.
His biggest problem isn´t the shot itself. He can probably shoot lights out in an empty gym. Problem is that he cannot get open.
Luka to Redick in practice: "Stand here, don't move".
KP going toe to toe last night with KAT gets me more excited as a Mavs fan and provides more joy to me than trading for Evan Fournier or Victor Oladipo or whatever trade deadline messiahs people have built up over the last 2 weeks. But it seems like the overall NBA entertainment product now is more built on compulsively following player transactions than on court product, so trade deadline day is probably a bigger day than playoffs for many NBA fans these days. We'll compulsively over analyze all these trade moves for the next 7 to 10 days and over state their impact, and then when the playoffs roll around the Nets and (healthy) Lakers will steam roll over the Bulls with Vuc and Celtics with Fournier and Blazers with Powell, because they have the biggest stars and ultimately all these guys are just tertiary role players who ultimately move the needle about as much as THJ does.
Is it because the Mavs sent a 2nd?
Is that why people are mad?
Listen I know the cupboard is a bit bare right now, but look at some other trades that happened today and compare what a late 2nd rounder gets you (Not counting Fournier because that was a TPE deal and ORL definitely could've gotten more).
Matt Thomas (end of bench guy that has averaged a whopping 4ppg) for a UTA 2nd rounder
Terrence Davis (who is not bad 6ppg guy but not necessarily good) for a SAC 2nd rounder
JJ Redick is by far and away a much higher quality player than those guys. Not even close imo. Further, imagine Redick playing next to a guy like Luka. The amount of wide open threes he's going to have will give us a semblance of what Curry brought to the team. Worth a 40 something 2nd rounder.
(03-25-2021, 03:52 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Wait why are people so mad?
I legit am happy. JJ Reddick, even with his issues, is one of the best 3pt shooters in the whole league. Even in a down year. Teams HAVE to respect him. Imagine a lineup of Luka/JRich/Reddick/Maxi/KP
No one can be left open. It's great. Nico Melli is a whatever addition. But I see him as another option for when Powell/WCS aren't giving us anything. I really really like this trade.
Small but I think incredibly impactful. I never thought the Mavs had a chance at Reddick because he'd be on his way to BRK. Well done Donnie.
(Now time to start at the beginning of this thread and see why people are so mad at such a good trade).
I think everyone comes in with different expectations. I "expect" something to happen this summer. I was thinking the Mavs would tinker around the edges today and like you stated, Reddick was going to be a Net (or Sixer). Not a bad deal.
(03-25-2021, 03:57 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously think that most people haven´t watched a single minute of Redick this season. They probably think of a 76ers or Clippers playoff game and hope that he can still play a similar role.
His biggest problem isn´t the shot itself. He can probably shoot lights out in an empty gym. Problem is that he cannot get open.
Can't speak for others, but I'm well aware that he has had a tough go of it this season. I do think his time in Dallas will be amongst better spacing to begin with, and that Luka will get him better looks, like he does with everyone. There's room in that translation for some optimism, I think.
But yeah, I agree with your assessment, and I don't think this is some great, needle-mover of a deal. I just think the team is in slightly better shape now than it was when we woke up this morning is all.
It's only negative when weighed against the expectations of some, and we'll never even truly know what they could've done and chose not to do, definitively, so I just choose to judge this in a vacuum. Redick COULD help a bit. I'm confident he's more likely to do so than Johnson.
(03-25-2021, 03:59 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]KP going toe to toe last night with KAT gets me more excited as a Mavs fan and provides more joy to me than trading for Evan Fournier or whatever trade deadline messiahs people have built up over the last 2 weeks. But it seems like the overall NBA entertainment product now is more built on compulsively following player transactions than on court product, so tradeline day is probably a bigger day than playoffs for many NBA fans these days.
Repeating the same narrative. Not sure why. No one acted like one deadline trade would solve all issues but it would have improved the team. Even if Fournier is just another THJ level shooter he would have improved the roster. No more minutes for Burke and a safety blanket in case KP or someone else misses more games. 15-20 ppg on above average efficiency would have made a difference. Mavs just paid 50% of the Fournier price for JJ Redick. It´s not like they aren´t willing to use picks.
(03-25-2021, 03:58 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Luka to Redick in practice: "Stand here, don't move".
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(03-25-2021, 03:57 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Problem is that he cannot get open.
He doesn't have to when the opposing team needs to send 3 guys to slow down our 22 year old mega star.
Add in KP's stretch ability (in that you can't just leave KP alone), and top 6 in the NBA shooter Maxi, and Redick will have an easy time finding open shots.
(03-25-2021, 04:04 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]JJ Redick is by far and away a much higher quality player than those guys. Not even close imo. Further, imagine Redick playing next to a guy like Luka. The amount of wide open threes he's going to have will give us a semblance of what Curry brought to the team. Worth a 40 something 2nd rounder.
Bigger name. Not a better player. Is Korver still active or retired? He is probably just as useful.
(03-25-2021, 03:57 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously think that most people haven´t watched a single minute of Redick this season. They probably think of a 76ers or Clippers playoff game and hope that he can still play a similar role.
His biggest problem isn´t the shot itself. He can probably shoot lights out in an empty gym. Problem is that he cannot get open.
He was playing 30 something minutes per game as a starter for Philly in the playoffs. A whopping 18 mpg for the Pelicans this year.........no reason for him to play more than 10 mpg here
(03-25-2021, 04:06 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs just paid 50% of the Fournier price for JJ Redick.
No they didn't. Orlando received just Teague min salary back. This allowed Orlando to take Harris contract in Gordon deal. Dallas would have to include Johnson which would have a substantially higher cost. Would you be ok paying 4 SRP for a possible Fournier rental? It was reported Mavs offered Johnson + 2 SRP for Fournier. Boston offer was obviously better
Lets see if Redick actually shows up excited to play or he's too bummed about not ending up in the northeast.
(03-25-2021, 04:04 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Is it because the Mavs sent a 2nd?
Is that why people are mad?
Listen I know the cupboard is a bit bare right now, but look at some other trades that happened today and compare what a late 2nd rounder gets you (Not counting Fournier because that was a TPE deal and ORL definitely could've gotten more).
Matt Thomas (end of bench guy that has averaged a whopping 4ppg) for a UTA 2nd rounder
Terrence Davis (who is not bad 6ppg guy but not necessarily good) for a SAC 2nd rounder
JJ Redick is by far and away a much higher quality player than those guys. Not even close imo. Further, imagine Redick playing next to a guy like Luka. The amount of wide open threes he's going to have will give us a semblance of what Curry brought to the team. Worth a 40 something 2nd rounder.
Redick was getting bought out. We had to pay cash + a SRP to prevent him from going to the Nets. That's a pretty steep price for a semblance of Curry when we already had Curry. The TDL buyout market is also a great reminder that Dallas isn't a desired NBA destination in free agency. If we want to maximize Luka and keep him long term, we need smart operators.
This move doesn't raise or lower our ceiling. We just spent assets to spin our wheels which is the MBT specialty these days. Our last great move was the Curry signing.
(03-25-2021, 04:11 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]No they didn't. Orlando received just Teague min salary back. This allowed Orlando to take Harris contract in Gordon deal. Dallas would have to include Johnson which would have a substantially higher cost. Would you be ok paying 4 SRP for a possible Fournier rental? It was reported Mavs offered Johnson + 2 SRP for Fournier. Boston offer was obviously better
Boston had the TPE and that obviously beat an expiring. Personally I would have added 1-2 additional 2nds. Not like the Mavs have any use for them in the draft.
Zach Harper on Redick -
"Over his last 15 games, he’s been at 46.4 percent from deep. Dallas is banking on that shot remaining pure in their system, Luka getting him plenty of great looks, and the space he creates being too much for opposing defenses to handle."
I guess Redick is just one d.
(03-25-2021, 04:14 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]Lets see if Redick actually shows up excited to play or he's too bummed about not ending up in the northeast.
THIS is actually a legit gripe with the deal, imo. I mean, I'm sure he'll be a pro and finish his contract out, but there's no doubt he's somewhere right now, pissed off, drinking wine straight from the bottle (dude loves wine).
Still, maybe he'll like being here a lot once he gets here. As long as he doesn't ruin the Mavs locker room vibe with his old man curmudgeonry, I think it's a good move.
(03-25-2021, 04:17 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I would have added 1-2 additional 2nds. Not like the Mavs have any use for them in the draft.
So why the hell are you making all the drama aobut one SRP then?