(03-28-2021, 12:15 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Summary of reporting I have been able to gather on the Redick injury.
Redick suffered a heel injury on March 3. He has not played since. He had a non-surgical procedure on the heel on March 11. He is re-habbing the heel now. There is no timetable for his return.
No player involved in a trade can suit up for his new team until the trade has become final with respect to all players involved (all physicals completed or waived). Melli has dressed already. There is no report of Redick presenting himself for a physical exam. It appears that the Mavs must have waived his physical. However, I have not seen a specific announcement that Dallas did or did not waive the physical, so if anyone has, feel free to let us know.
Will try to get back if I hear additional facts.
Thank you for the feedback. But I think you have blinders on and are talking past me, when you are looking for info to answer questions I am not asking.
I think you are being too pedantic on the idea of waiving the physical. Whether Redick was asked to come to Dallas and take a physical or have one done in NO, or none was done at all, that's not my point.
The point is that the Mavs had an opportunity after the trade was NBA approved to take a closer look at the medical issues. To do so does not require them to bring him in for an actual physical, although that is the norm (and certainly would be needed had they decided to object to the deal). The fact that he came injured didn't negate that opportunity, because the extent and prognosis are important parts of the equation.
Also, obviously they did look closer, and they did discover he wasn't as advertised. If they felt the need, they could have taken more steps to void the deal, or extract concessions. Instead, they said, "It's okay. Not what we thought, but we're good."
You are focused on whether Redick actually went somewhere for a physical. But that was never my point - which was instead about the fact that the Mavs had the right to push back on the deal on discovering those medical issues were somewhat more of a setback than they thought (which were found right away, apparently), but instead chose not to. Or, they stupidly said "He's fine with us" before taking any sort of a look at all, which doesn't make any sense.
Also, I've not been saying anything is still pending. Clearly they have approved the deal and moved on.
(03-28-2021, 12:23 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]WCS got a raise
Bobi is getting more than vet min (isn't' he?)
Powell is overpaid from the beginning (and unnecessarily extended early, although, there is a case with the blinders this FO puts on for Powell that he gets the same contract while injured a year later...)
Burke got more than vet min after being out of the league pre-bubble.
Powell contract was terrible. I don't mind the WCS/Burke signings on their own, I think they got paid sort of what players of their quality get paid. The issue to me this last offseason was doing these small depth signings where clearly we weren't going to get much in terms of talent instead of using the MLE on 1 guy that could move the needle. Jae Crowder is an example where if the Mavs gave him a serious offer I think he could have come here.
(03-28-2021, 08:45 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Powell contract was terrible. I don't mind the WCS/Burke signings on their own, I think they got paid sort of what players of their quality get paid. The issue to me this last offseason was doing these small depth signings where clearly we weren't going to get much in terms of talent instead of using the MLE on 1 guy that could move the needle. Jae Crowder is an example where if the Mavs gave him a serious offer I think he could have come here.
The idea that maybe the Mavs could have done better with their MLE than WCS-Burke is reasonable (although debatable).
But saying that Crowder would have come "if only" is just not factual. By all reports, he decided PHX had more potential than DAL as a team. (And he was right, it seems.) So with both offering MLE, he picked PHX over DAL.
Were there others, however, who would have come? Good question. Who else went for the MLE, that the Mavs could have actually landed had they pursued? I don't know the answer, but perhaps someone recalls alternatives.
(03-28-2021, 08:45 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I don't mind the WCS/Burke signings on their own, I think they got paid sort of what players of their quality get paid.
We could go back and forth on how much Burke and WCS deserve to get, but the point wasn't about each individual deal not mattering, possibly don't, the point was if you pay every player on your roster $1-2M over what they give you on the court, that's less money you can spend on the high dollar guys.
I mean, aren't we talking about a few $Ms more this offseason would mean a large difference in the quality of player we can go after or better offers to 2 FAs? We have a FO that won't look at FAs unless they have the money available to offer (even though they have plenty of examples of how to structure deals that make that not the case).
I know Reddick wanted to go to Brooklyn so I sure hope he's professional about the trade. If he can give the Mavs 20-24 productive minutes his addition really unlocks some possibilities for this team in the playoffs. I could even see THJ moving into the starting lineup if Brunson + JJR can provide enough punch off the bench.
That's a solid 9-man playoff rotation that lacks some consistency but could be really tough to beat if KP defends and couple x-factor guys get hot.
Doncic - Brunson
JRich - JJR
THJ - DFS
Kleber
KP - WCS / Powell
As a side note this is basically the same construct I envisioned when I was hoping for the Mavs to get Fournier or Powell. JJR is no longer on their level but I'll be shocked if he doesn't make an impact and I expect him to get at least 20 MPG in the playoffs.
Anyone see any comments from Redick since the trade? Nothing on Instagram or Twitter. I did see he made some kind of post saying he had a lot to discuss on his next episode. The last episode was on 3/24. Donnie mentioned Redick has texted with Dirk and Luka.
But I haven't seen any comments. That is sort of weird right? Maybe it is my PTSD with Mavs hiccups in the past, but it would have seen a nice, quick comment that he is excited for the stretch run and is working out hard to get back on the court, or something like that.
In regards to the Redick trade, did Dallas create a $3mill TPE (the difference in Johnson and Redick’s salary) by splitting the trade up into two separate deals? Johnson + (pick/cash) for Redick, and Iwundu + (pick/cash) for Melli? I haven’t seen it mentioned at all, but started thinking about it this morning when looking at the trade again...
(03-29-2021, 11:28 AM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ]In regards to the Redick trade, did Dallas create a $3mill TPE (the difference in Johnson and Redick’s salary) by splitting the trade up into two separate deals? Johnson + (pick/cash) for Redick, and Iwundu + (pick/cash) for Melli? I haven’t seen it mentioned at all, but started thinking about it this morning when looking at the trade again...
1,678,854 Expires Mar. 25, 2022 - Wes Iwundu traded to NO
(03-29-2021, 11:19 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone see any comments from Redick since the trade? Nothing on Instagram or Twitter. I did see he made some kind of post saying he had a lot to discuss on his next episode. The last episode was on 3/24. Donnie mentioned Redick has texted with Dirk and Luka.
But I haven't seen any comments. That is sort of weird right? Maybe it is my PTSD with Mavs hiccups in the past, but it would have seen a nice, quick comment that he is excited for the stretch run and is working out hard to get back on the court, or something like that.
Post Trade Stress Disorder - I have it also. I'm hoping for some news in tonight's FSSW pregame from Dana. The weird thing to me is that the Mavs needed Dirk to reach out to him. Redick has the same agents as Green and Iwundu (Aaron Mintz & Steven Heumann) so there should of been pre trade conversation, I would think?
(03-29-2021, 12:21 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ]Post Trade Stress Disorder - I have it also. I'm hoping for some news in tonight's FSSW pregame from Dana. The weird thing to me is that the Mavs needed Dirk to reach out to him. Redick has the same agents as Green and Iwundu (Aaron Mintz & Steven Heumann) so there should of been pre trade conversation, I would think?
Sounds like it all came together last minute so all the communicationtion might have been reactive.
(03-29-2021, 11:19 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone see any comments from Redick since the trade? Nothing on Instagram or Twitter. I did see he made some kind of post saying he had a lot to discuss on his next episode. The last episode was on 3/24. Donnie mentioned Redick has texted with Dirk and Luka.
But I haven't seen any comments. That is sort of weird right? Maybe it is my PTSD with Mavs hiccups in the past, but it would have seen a nice, quick comment that he is excited for the stretch run and is working out hard to get back on the court, or something like that.
JJ must have heard you because his twitter now represents Dallas.
https://twitter.com/jj_redick?ref_src=tw...r%5Eauthor
Apologies should be posted here...
If he can do that every game, and against non-GLeague competition, he and Maxi would be a really good PF combo.
Anyone still interested in F0urnier? Melli is the TRUTH.
Melli played a great game. Smart, skilled and unselfish. I don’t know if we can expect that level from him consistently or not, but I can already tell he is a better basketball player right now than James Johnson.
Main thing I want from Melli is to provide enough shooting as a stretch big to play 10-15 minutes a night and cap Maxi's minutes to ~25 mpg, and I see no reason why he can't provide that. His shooting really sets him apart from DP and WCS. Maxi is near 30 years old and his contribution to the team depends on expending maximum energy on defense. He doesn't need to be playing 34 minutes a game, like he was frequently before the trade.
(03-28-2021, 10:21 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]We could go back and forth on how much Burke and WCS deserve to get, but the point wasn't about each individual deal not mattering, possibly don't, the point was if you pay every player on your roster $1-2M over what they give you on the court, that's less money you can spend on the high dollar guys.
I think some variance in expectations from over performing and under performing contracts is expected. No GM gets it right 100% of the time. Whatever the "overpay" of $1 million or whatever for WCS and is made up for the underpays of DFS and Kleber's contracts. In the end, ultimately, if pre-injury Dwight Powell making $10 million is the worst contract we have to obsess over, the Mavs front office is in the higher percentiles of the NBA at projecting player future values. Ultimately, these things don't really move the needle in contending for Championships. The Nets and the Lakers aren't winning their Conferences because they were the most judicious about paying rotation players their true values.
(03-30-2021, 07:36 AM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]I think some variance in expectations from over performing and under performing contracts is expected. No GM gets it right 100% of the time. Whatever the "overpay" of $1 million or whatever for WCS and is made up for the underpays of DFS and Kleber's contracts. In the end, ultimately, if pre-injury Dwight Powell making $10 million is the worst contract we have to obsess over, the Mavs front office is in the higher percentiles of the NBA at projecting player future values. Ultimately, these things don't really move the needle in contending for Championships.
It's the unnecessary part that gets me. Why/how did Burke/WCS earn more than the MLE? If we
have to overpay guys like that that are obvious MLE players, what makes them think Dallas is or will be a destination for guys that make more (as has been previously reported about their thinking)? If they're gonna have to overpay the high end guys, how does it make sense to overpay the lower end guys, esp since we aren't getting into lux tax range?
Honestly, I don't see Maxi or DFS as high bargain contracts. I really like them both, but when I look at their value around the league and their limitations, they seem pretty on par with their contracts. They are starting out of necessity because we don't have anything better, but they are both rotation worthy bench players.
Mavs are pretty good at getting bang for the productivity buck last year.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-contracts/
Say what you will about the methodology, but it's more objective than teh feelz of people who spend all day on a Mavs messageboard complaing about every move the MBT makes.
I had probably watched triple digits games of Melli here in Germany. Noone could tell me, this guy can't play basketball. He is a smart player, who should quickly become a RC favourite. The shooting will come around too.