I just want to say, that a 2023 top10 pick is worth much much more than DAL future 2027 pick.
Also can't wait for Silver to say:" With the first pick in the 2023 NBA draft, the Dallas Maverick select slick Vic Wemby "
(03-25-2023, 12:52 AM)juanc Wrote: [ -> ]Also can't wait for Silver to say:" With the first pick in the 2023 NBA draft, the Dallas Maverick select slick Vic Wemby "
It's a nice dream (a franchise saving dream) but the ping pong ball gods hate Cuban as much as the rest of the world does. With the 11th pick in the draft, the New York Knickerbockers select...
It’s really unbelievable what the Knicks have done to the Mavs. They’ve practically destroyed the franchise. Not only do they take advantage of Cuban’s mismanagement to steal an all star caliber player for nothing, but they also so weaken the club that they’re picking up the #11 pick in the process. The Mavericks are a joke of an organization.
i'd be happy with a top 10 talent from the draft. the team is actually doing a good job tanking while pretending as if they were trying to win. we ain't having no chance to contend for championship this year anyway, while the draft pool this year may be even better than the 18' class, so missing the playoffs ain't a bad thing as long as we can get our pick back. jarace walker is my favorite prospect, he would fix a number of weak links we're currently suffering from.
We should try everything to fall behind Chicago and Utah, which are one win behind us. Utah will be tough, they are only facing teams with playoff ambitions except one game at the Spurs. Chicago is our second to last game, let’s hope they win a couple of games until then. They lose their pick if it doesn’t end up I n the top 4, so their motivation to lose out shouldn’t be that big.
If we end up behind those 2 teams the chances of keeping our pick are over 96 per cent - and we’d have a 17,3 per cent shot at a top 4 pick.
(03-24-2023, 11:48 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I just don't see it. You really going to go to battle telling Luka to sit the last two weeks? what if he says F that? Really? That is a battle you want to fight? Hey, The Mavs don't have it this year, but the West is a mess. Are you really going to tell a top 5 player to put up his shoes in the most important part of the season. The part of the season that makes going through the long regular season worth it? You tell him to sit now, you may lose him faster than any other mistake that has been made.
Plus, there are other ways to find talent. In most cases, a top 10 pick is not an all star. Some are. I need to learn more about this draft, but I think I liked last years back half of the 10 better than this year. But I could be wrong and could change my opinion. Dallas may very well have gotten a lottery level talent in the second round. So while this won't happen every year, there are ways to find talent. If you take that part seriously.
I would have been fine tanking the end of Luka's rookie year. This is different. The Mavs need to hold themselves to a higher standard. If Luka is hurt, that is a completely different story. A little run, even if it ends in the first or second round, may even pay off in the future too.
Wow...do I have crow to eat. Give it to me.
I fully expected to sit down last night and enjoy a game for the first time in a long time. I expected a 20 point win. What was I expected. There is something wrong with this team. Who knows what it is. But there is no way you can have that type of performance if everything was right with this team. When I was against tanking it was because I thought the team had pride. Maybe not good team but one that was not lottery level. Ooops.
So, tomorrow is the biggest game of the season. Lose that, then they play a back to back against Indy. Although never discount Carlisle screwing the Mavs and trying to tank that game. But still, lose to the Hornets again and then they play 3 more road games against east teams with things to play for. If they lose those game, there is not reason to finish out the season and it should be the McGee and Pinson show.
But I fully expect a win against the Hornets and then .500 ball to finish out to finish a game under .500. Just that type of season.
(03-25-2023, 02:24 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]It’s really unbelievable what the Knicks have done to the Mavs. They’ve practically destroyed the franchise. Not only do they take advantage of Cuban’s mismanagement to steal an all star caliber player for nothing, but they also so weaken the club that they’re picking up the #11 pick in the process. The Mavericks are a joke of an organization.
I have been saying that I like the new Knicks front office for three years, when people here were still bashing them as a joke franchise. You can just see it in the little things franchises do. How they approach it overall. Hartenstein signing. Josh Hart trade. RJ Barrett draft. Julius Randle signing. Grimes pick. Robinson pick and to cap it all off they got Brunson. All while massaging their cap and stock-piling assets (thanks to the Mavs). Not everything has been a hit. Fournier signing etc.
Not even good front offices get every move right, but overall you get the sense they have a plan. They don´t wing sh*t.They don´t panic. They don´t sign Javale McGee to a three year deal. That´s like a public annoucement that you are dumb and need to be #1 on the speed dial of every other front office in the league.
As I get older, the more I realize the less I really know. I do know one thing though....if Cuban has to make a basketball decision he is probably going to choose the wrong one.
(03-25-2023, 09:23 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: [ -> ]Playoffs? What a since of humor
If Danny Ainge said it, we´d all be *wink, wink* laughing. When it comes from the Mavs, you know they are dead serious. The only way we are not converting a 11th to 14th pick is, if we win the lottery. You just think of the worst case and that´s what they´ll do, so let me map out the next 12 months.
Lose during the play-in.
Convert 11th to 14th pick to Knicks.
Extend Kyrie 200/4. He missed 60% of games for reasons TBD.
Extend Powell 40/4.
Add one more 30+ veteran signing.
Trade Bertans and an unprotected future 1st round for Nurkic.
Kidd thinks Nurkic is too slow, so Powell continues to start.
Hardy still plays less than 20 MPG, cause THJ.
Mark Cuban decides that Josh Green is not worth 70/4 and let´s him walk for nothing.
Harrison watches a documentary about the 60s Celtics, fires Kidd and announces Joel McGee as the new player-coach.
Luka plays for Slovenia in the summer and refuses to come back to America, until he´s traded.
The end.
Trading Luka might not be the worst thing. No matter the MBT that Cuban assembles, I don't think he can build a winning roster around Luka with his obvious limitations. Imagine the haul you could return. And maybe it would be the motivation needed for Cuban to decide that he should cash out on NBA ownership.
Let Cuban sell the team and run for President. He’s been talking about it for years.
(03-25-2023, 10:22 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Trading Luka might not be the worst thing. No matter the MBT that Cuban assembles, I don't think he can build a winning roster around Luka with his obvious limitations. Imagine the haul you could return. And maybe it would be the motivation needed for Cuban to decide that he should cash out on NBA ownership.
They were the 3rd or 4th best team in the NBA just last year when they had a little of RC’s fumes still and at least one competent person on the coaching staff (Igor). Right now, they have none. Maybe some coaches who can “develop” players, but no one who can figure out a rotation, put the right mix of schemes in place, design plays, make in game adjustments, and just generally run a team. Bringing in a high quality coaching staff would mean at least 12 more wins. It’s very possible to build a perennial 50 win team around Luka. Hell, this board could even do that just by taking polls. The Mavs organization is a full on joke right now.
This season was lost even before started, the same time Brunson signed for Knicks, but in that time i hoped that we can figure things out and still become contender next season, but i think we get in the much worst sitation than before the season.
We lost our identiy, chemistry and everything what Mavs were known in Luka era. Players just don't seem to be ''hungry'' for the victory on the court like last years.
I just hope we don't become the new Portland, the team who lost their direction and doesn't know what to do.
Iztok Franko wrotted about chemistry comparrison between last season and this season and i think that's one of the reasons of Luka's happinnes. Luka lost all of his ''buddies'' in the team in half of an year.
McGee isn't a Boban, Kyrie isn't a JB, DFS is gone and they were all Luka's best friends in the team.
Even if on the court statistically there isn't a difference it seems that there is a big diference off the court.
Every trade we make looks much more worst every day:
Wood trade should be one of the steals we thought, but Kidd did everything to made this trade bad and another first round pick thrown away.
I mean, what's the purpose of trading for a player who is clearly better than the old ones and then not playing him?
Mcgee signing? What's the purpose of this?
Can we trade him for the Boban in the offseason? At least we can get chemistry back.
Kyire trade? With every day i more convinced that he isn't here after next TDL. I don't think that his fault, but i don't see that they can figure the things out. I just hope we can get someone like Lavine in return.
And again, in this trade we gave up most loyal player, solid role player and another 1 round pick, with 2 second.
The only bright spots this season are Green and Hardy.
I think it's becoming pretty realistic that Luka demand's a trade in the next 2 years, but i still hope that they can figure the things out.
1. First thing to do is fire a Kidd.
I don't want to go into details about game scheme, about defense and everything, but after you lost a lockeroom and trust of a players you should be sacked. If it's now, or in offseason it doesn't matter, but you are out.
it's not his fault if player misses a shot, but it's his job to motivate players to fight for every ball, to show effort. If you solve this, your defensive rating and rebounding are number will increase.
Blaming effort and interestet after the lose are also showing that we got into situation where he lost lockeroom.
We can also add not playing Wood and putting Powell and McGee before him, his responses after the loses are making a fun of every Mavs fan.
I would also add that we lost every game against stronger opponent where the coach work should be seen.
2. Resign a Kyrie.
I'm not fan of Kyrie, but letting him go for nothing 3 months after trading for him would officialy make Dallas Mavericks joke franchise.
Resign him and see if they can figure the things in the next season with the new coach.
The same thing also with Wood.
3. TRADE
After that, trade for a big wing (to the next TDL) and see if that's enough for becoming contender.
This franchise just doesn’t know how to evaluate big men who can play defense. RC had the term of “Playing with force”. Yet we continuously whiff on guys playing with force. You can talk about shooting and other things but that element of toughness is missing.
Even the fan base I am not too sure about. Pre draft when I was talking about Walker Kessler, I got a lot of push back here. We have a stud. Who knows if Kyrie will resign or not but the priority other than signing him should be to find a guy who can defend in space and rebound defensively ( not offensively or weak side blocks). Current rotation of bigs is also a bag of nothing. Anyone who drops out of that bag has glaring flaws.
(03-25-2023, 11:53 AM)MAVS-SLO Wrote: [ -> ]2. Resign a Kyrie.
I'm not fan of Kyrie, but letting him go for nothing 3 months after trading for him would officialy make Dallas Mavericks joke franchise.
Resign him and see if they can figure the things in the next season with the new coach.
Nah. There is no SEE. If you give him 200/4, he immediately becomes the worst contract in the league. A 6´3 guard in his 30s on a max contract, with bad feet and a bad attitude. There is absolutely no outs. If you commit to Irving, that is it.
Right now there are sill a few outs.
1. Lakers suddenly have a bunch of interesting frontcourt players with Hachimura, Bamba and Vanderbilt that combined with a 1st round pick should be very attractive. Reaves, Schroeder or Walker would help this team, too.
2. The Suns have absolutely NOTHING to offer in terms of young players and assets, so by default it would have to be Ayton (with or without CP3). New owner syndrome and KD. There is a small window.
3. The Bulls have had a rough year and could potentially be lured by the name and championship pedigree of Kyrie. Though that´s more of a long shot.
But the moment he signs 200/4 and misses 10 games for mental or physical reasons, you can start the Luka clock.
Ig I thought the MBT was run by super professionals, I´d assume they are just using Kyrie to turn Dinwiddie/DFS and a Mavs 2027 pick into a Lakers 1st round pick (with higher value), plus Vanderbilt, Bamba and Russell. If we are honest Russell is as good as Dinwiddie and Vanderbilt/Bamba are probably no worse than DFS in terms of the depth and replacement value in comparison to Powell, Wood and McGee.
Getting and keeping Kyrie is a final move a team makes to put you over the top when you already have a really good overall roster. But this team is far from that (last year's WCF run was a fluke based on probably the best shooting performances that the 3 and D role players will ever have in their playoff careers).
So it's almost like you're trying to build around a Luka/Kyrie duo from scratch with limited resources for the other roster spots and that can be very dangerous. That's just on the court and not factoring in Kyrie turning into a locker room problem.
I have no problem with Kyrie and I love his game. If this roster and team were at a different place, I'd love to keep him. But this isn't the right situation anymore...if we have a chance to start over and get things right, we need to do it. But of course, a Luka/Kyrie duo has been Cuban's dream so he will do whatever it takes to keep Kyrie.
(03-25-2023, 12:48 PM)SwisherPrice Wrote: [ -> ]Getting and keeping Kyrie is a final move a team makes to put you over the top when you already have a really good overall roster. But this team is far from that (last year's WCF run was a fluke based on probably the best shooting performances that the 3 and D role players will ever have in their playoff careers).
So it's almost like you're trying to build around a Luka/Kyrie duo from scratch with limited resources for the other roster spots and that can be very dangerous. That's just on the court and not factoring in Kyrie turning into a locker room problem.
I have no problem with Kyrie and I love his game. If this roster and team were at a different place, I'd love to keep him. But this isn't the right situation anymore...if we have a chance to start over and get things right, we need to do it. But of course, a Luka/Kyrie duo has been Cuban's dream so he will do whatever it takes to keep Kyrie.
I think Jalen’s performance this year should put to rest that last year was a fluke. We had two of the best one on one guys currently along with Dinwiddie who can handle the ball some. Plus we had good team chemistry. We continue to overrate standstill shooters. If most GMs had Luka and Jalen they would take it and find some standstill shooters.
Losing Jalen was a disaster that has only looked worse everyday since then.
Yes, losing JB for nothing was a total disaster, and now they are facing the prospect of conveying a best possible pick (for NY) to the Knicks at 11-14 and then the possibility of Kyrie leaving after spending most of their limited assets to get him.
The thought of that scenario turns my stomach and they'd deservedly be the laughingstock of the league. If that happens, and they still have Kidd and Nico at that point, I may just have to tune out after following the Mavs since I was 8 years old in 1980. Having a bad team is one thing. Having a bad team with ZERO LEADERSHIP is something else.
I think the idea of tanking to keep the top 10 pick if possible and then using it deal for other picks or players or adding another high quality young piece is the only saving grace at this point. If they blow that too, I'll be more sick than I already am.