How much are you guys willing to theoretically trade for a guy like Bam Adebayo?
I think Miami is closer to blowing it up than we think and it'd be a Pat Riley move to cash in as high as he can on Bam. I'd throw a lot for him next to Luka. Like 3+ FRP kind of package.
(11-28-2022, 11:17 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]How much are you guys willing to theoretically trade for a guy like Bam Adebayo?
I think Miami is closer to blowing it up than we think and it'd be a Pat Riley move to cash in as high as he can on Bam. I'd throw a lot for him next to Luka. Like 3+ FRP kind of package.
I'd give a ton for Bam, but Riley is like 100 years old, so there's almost no chance they blow it up anytime soon, imho. Maybe if he decides there's no other way forward he'll retire (which would be great for the rest of the league) but if he's there I don't think a rebuild is in the cards.
(11-28-2022, 11:17 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]How much are you guys willing to theoretically trade for a guy like Bam Adebayo?
I think Miami is closer to blowing it up than we think and it'd be a Pat Riley move to cash in as high as he can on Bam. I'd throw a lot for him next to Luka. Like 3+ FRP kind of package.
I wouldn't expect them to get rid of everyone if they rebuilt - and Bam is probably the main one they would keep rather than cash in. Butler would probably be their most attractive piece that might be dangled.
In his latest pod, Bill Simmons floated out the idea that maybe the Mavs should look into trading for Kyrie. No sources or anything, just his thoughts on what Dallas should do. His justification was that with the Kemba signing, the Mavs might be getting into panic territory because the team is too reliant on Luka and need more talent. He threw out possibly Dinwiddie + Powell for Kyrie (and even questioned whether that would be too much to give up for Kyrie).
What do you guys think? From a pure talent standpoint that is an amazing trade for us, but as always, with Kyrie, it's never about talent. If you could get Kyrie without giving up a pick would you do it?
(11-30-2022, 02:12 AM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]What do you guys think? From a pure talent standpoint that is an amazing trade for us, but as always, with Kyrie, it's never about talent. If you could get Kyrie without giving up a pick would you do it?
I don't think Mavs enter the contender teritory even with Irving playing at 90 % of his ability and not causing locker room problems. Both big ifs. Especially if SD would be going out. Since I don't see him as able to stay reasonable for longer than half a year, this would be only a short term solution, and for that reasons I am out.
Mavs are 30th in rebounds.
And has the slowest pace in the NBA.
When was the last time this happened to a team?
There must be improvement on either one, and the easier path is get a rebounder.
A trade upgrading DP and McGee should be one of the priorities. Of course, a third playmaker is tops on the list still as Kemba's just a stop gap. But behind that playmaker need, is a rim protector/rebounder. Doesn't need to be a guy like Turner just someone who can make more rebounds per minute than DP or McGee.
(11-30-2022, 02:12 AM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]What do you guys think? From a pure talent standpoint that is an amazing trade for us, but as always, with Kyrie, it's never about talent. If you could get Kyrie without giving up a pick would you do it?
I'm pretty staunchly against the Mavs trading for an antisemite.
But I like what Bill is thinking. Instead of trading for a nutcase like Kyrie, I wonder if guys like D'Angelo Russell, Kyle Lowry, or Terry Roizer are easier to get, and you know don't come with an antisemite label.
(11-30-2022, 02:12 AM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]In his latest pod, Bill Simmons floated out the idea that maybe the Mavs should look into trading for Kyrie. No sources or anything, just his thoughts on what Dallas should do. His justification was that with the Kemba signing, the Mavs might be getting into panic territory because the team is too reliant on Luka and need more talent. He threw out possibly Dinwiddie + Powell for Kyrie (and even questioned whether that would be too much to give up for Kyrie).
What do you guys think? From a pure talent standpoint that is an amazing trade for us, but as always, with Kyrie, it's never about talent. If you could get Kyrie without giving up a pick would you do it?
The desperate trade team scares me to death. Luckily we have very little assets and may be really resistant taking on future salary. But I am concerned this front office is feeling the heat. Typically making trades when you are not in a position of strength is not great.
I have begun thinking of odd/bad fits but guys who are at least productive (or have been productive in the past). Like how about Vucevic? I have said no in the past and he would appear to not be a good fit. But at least he is a quality starter (although that could be a debate with his play this year).
(11-30-2022, 03:11 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I'm pretty staunchly against the Mavs trading for an antisemite.
But I like what Bill is thinking. Instead of trading for a nutcase like Kyrie, I wonder if guys like D'Angelo Russell, Kyle Lowry, or Terry Roizer are easier to get, and you know don't come with an antisemite label.
I think a THJ for Rozier swap would do wonders for this team. I think Walker should be an emergency backup for the rest of the year and then Hardy moves into that role next year. A Luka/SD/Rozier G rotation would put us close to where we were last year. Not so sure I like the Luka/SD/Kemba trio so much, but we’ll see.
Is the McGee signing a sunk cost? Do you think there is any chance he can be a productive regular player?
(11-30-2022, 10:13 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Is the McGee signing a sunk cost? Do you think there is any chance he can be a productive regular player?
No chance at all IMO. He is cashing his retirement checks.
(11-30-2022, 09:16 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I think a THJ for Rozier swap would do wonders for this team. I think Walker should be an emergency backup for the rest of the year and then Hardy moves into that role next year. A Luka/SD/Rozier G rotation would put us close to where we were last year. Not so sure I like the Luka/SD/Kemba trio so much, but we’ll see.
Yeah I wonder how much of a bounceback Rozier has in him
He has been absolutely horrible.
20.5 ppg on 20.8 shots a game. That's some 1950s efficiency you just don't see anymore. And his defensive numbers look really bad too.
I would have loved him a couple years ago so maybe that same guy is in there somewhere
I'm kind of confused at all the Dinwiddie slander I've seen on the board lately. Of all the things I'm concerned about with this roster he's pretty far down on the list. He's simply playing his role, be a second ball handler and space the floor when he's with Luka and attack the basket when he's with the second unit. He's the only dude on the roster not named Luka who can do these things and he's doing them fine in my opinion. Do I hate the fact that he closes out every single three point shot like an insane person? Yes, but we know that's not in his game.
There are so many people on this roster playing lower than their expectations, it feels odd to single out someone who (I feel) is playing to right about the level I expected in his role. Is he better suited as a pure 6th man? Sure, but it's not his fault we can't use him that way so he's doing the best he can in the role he's given. If his catch and shoot numbers drop we might have a problem but I don't see anything to expect a huge change there.
(11-30-2022, 11:30 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]he closes out every single three point shot like an insane person
Pretty sure SD is just doing his job within Kidd's defensive scheme. Closeout hard to run guys off the three point line, then rotate to help the helper.
I think SD is playing really well. Probably at or near his peak level tbh. Around top 10 SG in the league. He's not an All-Star but agree -- Mavs have much bigger issues.
(11-30-2022, 11:43 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty sure SD is just doing his job within Kidd's defensive scheme. Closeout hard to run guys off the three point line, then rotate to help the helper.
I think SD is playing really well. Probably at or near his peak level tbh. Around top 10 SG in the league. He's not an All-Star but agree -- Mavs have much bigger issues.
I agree that he's trying to do his job in Kidd's scheme, he just has the WORST form doing it and is normally jumping past folks instead of just closing out to the body so he's in a place to rotate instead of getting pump faked out of his shoes and leaving the entire team in a bad way. That's my one big nitpick about his game since he's gotten here but feels like we're pretty much on the same page about everything else regarding him.
In fact, I just checked and SD is indeed number 10 among SGs in the league sccording to EPM.
Above you have: SGA, Mitchell, P George (he's not really a SG tho), Booker, Harden, Bane, D White, Jrue, Beal
Dinwiddie
Below are: Clarkson, Wagner, Lavine, Oubre, Heurter, DeJounte, Klay, Josh Green! , Herro, Monk, Kispert
Love Dinwiddie's ability to get buckets at rim. It seems elite.
My only issue is that he seems like once he makes up his mind(probably because he has a good sense that he can score or he doesnt make the decision)...there is not a plan B. Its take it to the hole and nothing else. Even if the hole collapses. I have seen guys open in the corner that I know he can see but he wont pass it out for a "better basketball play"(wide open shot for someone else over his contested layup in paint).
He seems to be getting too comfortable also. I get that we dont have many offensive weapons...but he seems a little too comfortable with the ball lately. Not calling him a ball hog by any means....but he seems more reluctant to pass than before.
(11-30-2022, 11:49 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]In fact, I just checked and SD is indeed number 10 among SGs in the league sccording to EPM.
Above you have: SGA, Mitchell, P George (he's not really a SG tho), Booker, Harden, Bane, D White, Jrue, Beal
Dinwiddie
Below are: Clarkson, Wagner, Lavine, Oubre, Heurter, DeJounte, Klay, Josh Green! , Herro, Monk, Kispert
Josh is 4th at SG in D-EPM. Dinwiddie is 6th in O-EPM
(11-30-2022, 11:54 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Josh is 4th at SG in D-EPM. Dinwiddie is 6th in O-EPM
I'm very curious about what will happen with Green if (and it's still a big if) Kemba is able to play the role they desire. Last year Green was playing a lot of wing it felt like as the three ball handlers split the 96 minutes between the two guard spots and now he's been moved into more of a full time guard spot because of the roster construction and it's done him very well. It's kind of semantics because he's usually picking up whatever matchup they need him to on defense but curious what Kemba will do to our rotations regarding Josh.
(11-30-2022, 11:30 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]I'm kind of confused at all the Dinwiddie slander I've seen on the board lately. Of all the things I'm concerned about with this roster he's pretty far down on the list. He's simply playing his role, be a second ball handler and space the floor when he's with Luka and attack the basket when he's with the second unit. He's the only dude on the roster not named Luka who can do these things and he's doing them fine in my opinion. Do I hate the fact that he closes out every single three point shot like an insane person? Yes, but we know that's not in his game.
There are so many people on this roster playing lower than their expectations, it feels odd to single out someone who (I feel) is playing to right about the level I expected in his role. Is he better suited as a pure 6th man? Sure, but it's not his fault we can't use him that way so he's doing the best he can in the role he's given. If his catch and shoot numbers drop we might have a problem but I don't see anything to expect a huge change there.
I think a lot of it has to do with this boards sometimes over reliance on on/off numbers. Kam just posted a graphic on another thread showing he has the worst on/off on the team. Worse than McGee. My eye test tells me he is playing well on offense and not any worse on defense than most of the other wings not named Green. Advanced stats suggest he has been the second best player on the team (overtaking Wood recently).
Personally I think the biggest issues on this team are:
Our "top" 3&D guys have not been playing well on either side of the ball (Green has been better than all of them)
Our 3rd creator spot has been filled by Timmy and he has been terrible
Any minute McGee plays