(07-09-2022, 08:16 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ] I think we are shy some bench ball handling.
Seems to me we need a placeholder guard. Someone like Patrick Beverley with a year left on his deal would do the job or Conley with two years (and Utah needs help at C). I'd like them to get that guy now, but I can see them throwing Hardy to the wolves a bit and trading for that guy at the TDL. As I said recently, they've set themselves up to where they "can" be done if they wish. I'm hopeful they have something more, even if it is just some more creation from the bench.
Dennis Schroder, come on down!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZqP23svK30&ab_channel=FIBA-TheBasketballChannel
(07-09-2022, 09:00 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t remember the actual numbers someone reported, but I remember someone saying if we offer the max before sometime in Dec his max extension is basically an extension of his current $14M contract. After it becomes much more? Am I remembering that correctly? I say figure out early in Nov that he works with Luka and extend him on his lower max extension amount, if that is true.
120% or starting salary of about $17.2mm once he's eligible. If he thinks his comps are more like Grant, Collins and Randle, they make more in the $23-$25mm range. If he's close to 20/10, why wouldn't he think those are his comps?
Nico can show he´s the recruiter. We need one of Kemba and Schroeder on vet min deals, better both. We also still undoubtedly need a center. Adding McGee/Powell is just not enough. Both have been played off the floor in the play-offs for the last two years.
Step 1: See if you can swing Brunson-Noel into a 3-way for Olynyk or just take Noel straight up.
Step 2: Offer the Pacers Powell/THJ/Green for Hield/Bitadze and see what they say.
Step 3: Schroeder just doesn´t seem realistic, but Kemba does.
Step 4: Sign Lawson + Dorsey on the two-way spots.
Doncic/Kemba/Ntilikina
Dinwiddie/Hield/Hardy
DFS/Bullock/Lawson + Dorsey (split eligible games in the Pinson cheerleader spot)
Wood/Kleber/Bertans
McGee/Bitadze/Olynyk
(07-09-2022, 10:13 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Nico can show he´s the recruiter. We need one of Kemba and Schroeder on vet min deals, better both. We also still undoubtedly need a center. Adding McGee/Powell is just not enough. Both have been played off the floor in the play-offs for the last two years.
Step 1: See if you can swing Brunson-Noel into a 3-way for Olynyk or just take Noel straight up.
Step 2: Offer the Pacers Powell/THJ/Green for Hield/Bitadze and see what they say.
Step 3: Schroeder just doesn´t seem realistic, but Kemba does.
Step 4: Sign Lawson + Dorsey on the two-way spots.
Doncic/Kemba/Ntilikina
Dinwiddie/Hield/Hardy
DFS/Bullock/Lawson + Dorsey (split eligible games in the Pinson cheerleader spot)
Wood/Kleber/Bertans
McGee/Bitadze/Olynyk
I know Kemba isn't what he was, but I still think he's more of a MLE than a vet min player. I don't know if anybody has money left to sign him or not, but I'd be surprised if he ends up on a minimum deal.
(07-09-2022, 09:31 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]120% or starting salary of about $17.2mm once he's eligible. If he thinks his comps are more like Grant, Collins and Randle, they make more in the $23-$25mm range. If he's close to 20/10, why wouldn't he think those are his comps?
So, those may be his comps, but those guys (maybe except Randle) are commanding more in trade value. If no one is willing to give as much in trade, why would they give as much in FA? However, I don’t know what his thinking is, or will (or what his agent is telling him) be on that front.
(07-09-2022, 10:24 AM)Kidnova Wrote: [ -> ]I know Kemba isn't what he was, but I still think he's more of a MLE than a vet min player. I don't know if anybody has money left to sign him or not, but I'd be surprised if he ends up on a minimum deal.
I realized he agreed to a buyout (back on 6/30), but he wasn't traded officially until 7/6. So, he could be traded for (possibly using a Brunson TPE) if he really is an MLE level guy and the buyout isn't official yet. That would be an expensive backup considering tax and everything at that price. Just pointing out an alternative to Vet Min.
(07-09-2022, 10:44 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I realized he agreed to a buyout (back on 6/30), but he wasn't traded officially until 7/6. So, he could be traded for (possibly using a Brunson TPE) if he really is an MLE level guy. That would be an expensive backup considering tax and everything at that price. Just pointing out an alternative to Vet Min.
Good point. It's only a one year deal though right? If they think they will be true contenders this year (and why wouldn't they) and that Walker helps put them over the top then that's not a huge price to pay.
If Mavs can swap Powell for Kemba, that seems like possibly a worthwhile move. Otherwise, paying tax on a guy who is prepared to take a buyout seems nutty.
So reading the Tea leaves, sounds like we don’t have much stuff to offer into trades. Things can change but Dallas has been pretty vocal about having Hardaway back and now talking about Din starting.
We also may not be getting a tpe, and are limited in offering a first round pick soon via trade and we are really thin with future second round picks.
So it seems left we are left with a minimum salary guys or a Powell trade. Powell may need us to include Josh Green for a trade. I prefer to keep Green unless it is a clear upgrade.
So Unfortunately we may be pretty close to being done.
(07-09-2022, 11:47 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]So it seems left we are left with a minimum salary guys or a Powell trade. Powell may need us to include Josh Green for a trade. I prefer to keep Green unless it is a clear upgrade.
While I think this is right, I'm not sure I see Green and Hardy on the bench simultaneously.
(07-09-2022, 09:04 AM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: [ -> ]I think we pretty desperately need a 3rd guard that can initiate the offense. And especially in event of injury. I don’t see any world in which Hardy is ready for that responsibility. Bev would make some sense, though he more off ball. They just have a move lined up to not bring in Dragic for the minimum. That entire situation is still strange to me. Everyone was reporting he was a lock for Dallas, until he wasn’t. We must have another guard incoming.
Absolutely. Another qualified guard and another qualified forward are badly, badly needed.
We can’t count the four bigs (or even 3) as playoff rotation players. That’s just not how it works. Maaaaaaybe Wood gets his 10-15 minutes per in the first round, depending on who they play. After that? I predict benchville.
(07-09-2022, 11:47 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]So reading the Tea leaves, sounds like we don’t have much stuff to offer into trades. Things can change but Dallas has been pretty vocal about having Hardaway back and now talking about Din starting.
We also may not be getting a tpe, and are limited in offering a first round pick soon via trade and we are really thin with future second round picks.
So it seems left we are left with a minimum salary guys or a Powell trade. Powell may need us to include Josh Green for a trade. I prefer to keep Green unless it is a clear upgrade.
So Unfortunately we may be pretty close to being done.
So it looks like Powell wasn't in Vegas. He tends to travel in the same circle as Maxi, Josh and the now departed Jalen. Both Maxi and Josh were at the game yesterday.
If the Mavs are really thinking their big move may be 18 plus months out (and this is just speculation), why not look for players who are free agents in '24 to switch out the expiring '23 Powell?
For instance, Derrick Rose is a FA in '24. Would you trade for him for Powell? Powell comes off the books a year earlier. Doug McDermott, Josh Hard (don't see this happening), Talen Horton-Tucker, Rudy Gay, Mike Conley (higher salary), Jarred Vanderbilt, Marcus Morris are some other names.
Assuming Utah is going to stay in “seller” mode (some don’t, but I do), would Powell/Green be enough to get Jordan Clarkson? I bet it’s not, but I suppose it’s all a matter of how Ainge views Green.
I don’t know if the money is a match, but I bet that package IS enough to pry Bogdanovich away from them.
(07-09-2022, 12:29 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Assuming Utah is going to stay in “seller” mode (some don’t, but I do), would Powell/Green be enough to get Jordan Clarkson? I bet it’s not, but I suppose it’s all a matter of how Ainge views Green.
I don’t know if the money is a match, but I bet that package IS enough to pry Bogdanovich away from them.
I think with the news that Mitchell is not going to ask for a trade, they are looking to improve the roster not sell it off. Those picks along with their own can fetch a pretty good package.
As far as your trades if they are sellers, pretty positive Ainge will ask for 1 pick returning.
(07-09-2022, 12:29 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Assuming Utah is going to stay in “seller” mode (some don’t, but I do), would Powell/Green be enough to get Jordan Clarkson? I bet it’s not, but I suppose it’s all a matter of how Ainge views Green.
I don’t know if the money is a match, but I bet that package IS enough to pry Bogdanovich away from them.
Utah would have a lot of guys who would interest me. Clarkson would be a little down my list.
Conley and Bogdanovich have bigger contract. They may want to get off Conley if you give them salary match that don't extend past this year. I am afraid we don't have the assets for Bogdanovich, but I would love to get him.
Beverly and Vanderbilt would interest me as well.
(07-09-2022, 12:31 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I think with the news that Mitchell is not going to ask for a trade, they are looking to improve the roster not sell it off. Those picks along with their own can fetch a pretty good package.
It’s possible, but I still expect Mitchell to be traded, personally. I’m pretty confident that this is the plan for Utah, but Ainge’s history suggests that even if it is, they might hold onto him for awhile, waiting on a super steep price that never comes down. We’ll see.
I’m just trying to think of ways to make lemonade.
This is all super depressing.
(07-09-2022, 12:36 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]It’s possible, but I still expect Mitchell to be traded, personally. I’m pretty confident that this is the plan for Utah, but Ainge’s history suggests that they might hold onto him for awhile, waiting on a super steep price but never comes down. We’ll see.
I’m just trying to think of ways to make lemonade.
I like the thought of Clarkson off the bench since it sounds like the FO is kinda set on our starting 5. Move Green and Frank into the 10 & 11 spot and our 9 man rotation looks pretty stout.
(07-09-2022, 09:31 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]120% or starting salary of about $17.2mm once he's eligible. If he thinks his comps are more like Grant, Collins and Randle, they make more in the $23-$25mm range. If he's close to 20/10, why wouldn't he think those are his comps?
He’s bounced around a lot and may be a little hesitant to wait a year. Maybe a long term contract starting at $17 million with max raises could get the job done? But yes, right now, it seems revenue and player salaries will be growing fast, so players as a general rule will probably benefit by waiting. I just hate for the Mavs to be in the same predicament they just found themselves in.
(07-09-2022, 12:36 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]It’s possible, but I still expect Mitchell to be traded, personally. I’m pretty confident that this is the plan for Utah, but Ainge’s history suggests that even if it is, they might hold onto him for awhile, waiting on a super steep price that never comes down. We’ll see.
I’m just trying to think of ways to make lemonade.
I expect him to be traded too. It will eventually be necessary. I think they can get a really good return for him now. Might as well go full rebuild. Don't see them having a contender before his contract is up.