Yes, you are right, I think Jazz would not want to know anything about McGee, just an attempt to get him out.. on paper a theoretical rebuilding team should value the rookie with more control and potential more over JV...although the Jazz weren't supposed to be that good either...anyway I guess Ainge would want high picks and end up sinking... A Clarkson (who is playing the best basketball of his career)/Vanderbilt combo puts us on top, in my opinion...a very complementary and dynamic lineup and a bench loaded with dynamite...
Bertans/Hardy/Dallas26+2 seconds to JV/Clarkson...
Luka/SD/DFS/JV/Wood
Clarkson/THJ/Green/Bullock/Maxi
Facu/Frank/Theo/Powell/Mcgee
even a 3 string ..with helpful specialists .. well it seems more realistic than expecting to trade for a 2 star with our mediocre assets
Great stuff Mike Lorenzo! That second deal is more realistic, though remember this is Ainge we’re talking about. Protections on the ‘26? A lot depends on what they think of Hardy. I do think adding Vanderbilt and Clarkson makes us low key contenders. It would unlock so many lineup combinations, while shoring up our two biggest weaknesses. What are we looking at to re-sign Clarkson? 15-18m? Is Cuban willing to pay what it takes?
I just don't know what's the purpose of signing Campazzo. Defense 0, scoring 0. The only way he can contribute is, if he have ball in his hands and if the game goes through him and that won't happen in the NBA.
I don't want to go through all the players we passed to sign him, but even two-2 players from the covid seasons had bigger effect than him.
Realiable back-up pg would be massive for this team.
Spencer is great in JB role, but someone who can lead the second unit would be massive signing.
Wodd is showing great potential and i'm waiting for his explosion during the season. Powell plays on the level expected in the regular season. McGee is currently disappointing, but i'm waiting to change their role with Powell when the playoffs come.
I also don't know what is happenning with Bertans?
Wood - Powell - McGee
DFS - Kleber - Bertans ?
Reggie - Green
Dinwiddie - Hardaway - Hardy
Luka - ? - Ntilkina
Ntilkina's defense will be important when the playoff come and i'm expecting also Hardaway's numbers to go up if we can get a normal back-up pg.
I would even try with Kemba. He still more usefull than Campazzo and that's probably what we can get. Bertans contract is almost untradable.
Guys that are "available" right now that would fit well here and wouldn't cost much:
Guards (PG/SG): Conley, Russell, Hampton.
Wings (SF/PF): Crowder, Martin Jr., Hayward.
Bigs ©: Holmes, Gafford, Reid.
Available guys for trade: McGee, Bertans, Hardy, Ntilikina, 2 DAL 2nds.
Hardaway would be available for offensive guys like Hayward/Conley/Russell.
Bullock would be available for defensive guys like Crowder.
(11-13-2022, 02:04 PM)Mikelorenzo Wrote: [ -> ]Bertans/Hardy/Dallas26+2 seconds to JV/Clarkson...
Luka/SD/DFS/JV/Wood
Clarkson/THJ/Green/Bullock/Maxi
.. well it seems more realistic than expecting to trade for a 2 star with our mediocre assets
I'm in!
My number one rule for any potential trade. If it isn´t a complete no brainer don´t make moves that increase the average age of the roster. Don´t trade guys under 25. Don´t trade for guy that are over 30 years old.
https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1592257393479385088?s=20&t=S6Ymt4Hh5WuWSLDXXM78Iw
Anyone catch MacMahon on The Lowe Post today? Lots of very interesting Mavs talk. Here are some highlights.
MacMahon starts off with some pretty frank criticism of the offseason moves, some of which may sound like beating a dead horse around here but is still valid IMO.
- MacMahon says the Mavs messed up the Brunson situation. Could have had him on an extension but they didn't offer it to him until after the trade deadline when he had already started playing so well that it was very clear he was going to be able to demand much more in the offseason. They were about a month and a half too late in offering the extension.
- Lowe doesn't think Brunson's contract with the Knicks is all that bad and he wonders why they didn't just try to give that to him since the cap is going up anyway.
- MacMahon says the Mavs didn't think the Knicks would be able to create so much cap space so easily as they did. Mavs figured the Knicks would at least have to give up a pick to them in order to create enough space to sign him. Oops.
- MacMahon says he doesn't know for sure how much it would have taken to keep Brunson here but that the Mavs drew their line in the sand at about Fred Van Vleet money (maybe about 5/110). So that was that.
- Mavs messed up the Goran Dragic situation. They didn't think Dragic could play even 20mpg here. They wanted him to fill the "Luka's buddy that never plays" role the Boban has had the last couple years and that Facu is filling now. Dragic didn't want that so he went to Chicago where he is playing very well.
- MacMahon says McGee has been "a total bust". Not even better than Powell.
- MacMahon Doesn't expect any big moves this year because we need to hold onto our picks in order to make a big move for our version of the Jrue Holiday trade.
Then they move into some good talk about what they think the Mavs should do on the court this year to maximize what we currently have on the roster.
- Lowe's suggestion is one he admits is pretty simple: We should probably try to get our 3 best offensive creators (Luka, Dinwiddie, and Wood) on the court together more often than we have. There might be defensive concerns, but we should just try it and see. Those three have only played 33 minutes together all season so far. How does the team look if we increase that a bit?
- Lowe does concede that the Mavs are -12 with that trio so far but still thinks it's worth giving a little more time to.
- MacMahon says Josh Green has taken a major step forward but is not a ball handler, he's a 3nD guy and a good one at that. I'm happy for Josh that he's getting recognition for his great play so far.
- Lowe says Mavs are +13 per 100 possessions when Luka and Wood play together with Wood as the only big on the floor. But have only played 78 possessions together so far. Lowe says we should try to lean into more Wood, maybe at the 5, along with Luka and Dinwiddie and see what we have. If it sucks defensively then we can change it, but we need to at least try it out.
- MacMahon doesn't think Wood in the starting lineup is going to happen.
- Lowe points out that Luka, Maxi, and Wood play very well together. +34 in 104 minutes together.
That last stat really stands out to me. I think we should try a closing lineup of Luka, Dinwiddie, DFS, Maxi, and Wood. I think that would give us the best balance of offense and defense of any lineup we can put together.
Anyone have any other thoughts about the pod today?
Devonte Graham + Temple for THJ?
Devonte Graham is averaging roughly 16 minutes a game as an SG backup who plays spot up minutes at PG.
And is now having, career low in points per game except his rookie season.
Not someone to be excited about as all he does, is shoot 3s mostly, but if the Mavs are set in chucking 3s for offense, Graham fits.
THJ's supposed advantage over the standard 3andD guys like DFS and Bullock is his quick release and ability to shoot off the dribble.
Graham can do this and more.
Graham is the better defender and could at least help in ball handling duties. He may not attack the rim as much as Luka and SD, but he is at least capable if asked to do so.
Temple is the filler, but with the way Bullock is playing, maybe they can keep him around and just ship out Bullock on some other trade.
(11-14-2022, 11:19 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]MacMahon Doesn't expect any big moves this year because we need to hold onto our picks in order to make a big move for our version of the Jrue Holiday trade.
It's insane how absolutely daft Mark Cuban has been for the last 11 years. Dude just wants to swing for the fences over and over for no reason.
He makes it truly hard to root for this franchise. Hes an idiot.
(11-15-2022, 01:11 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]It's insane how absolutely daft Mark Cuban has been for the last 11 years. Dude just wants to swing for the fences over and over for no reason.
He makes it truly hard to root for this franchise. Hes an idiot.
What would you expect him to do?
We need above average talent, and that’s not to have for free. (Or only with dump luck).
(11-15-2022, 02:45 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]What would you expect him to do?
We need above average talent, and that’s not to have for free. (Or only with dump luck).
Cash in assets at the right time. Pony up for players if need be. Actually close a FA deal for once. Value drafts. Or he can hire the right people and step away from the team and let them run it.
He's one of the worst owners in the NBA riding off of his reputation of over a decade ago.
We're only in this situation because Cuban is a horrid owner. SO many missed opportunities. Time and again. Cuban just waits for the summer so he can get rejected by a star cause he's a masochist.
(11-15-2022, 03:02 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Cash in assets at the right time. Pony up for players if need be. Actually close a FA deal for once. Value drafts. Or he can hire the right people and step away from the team and let them run it.
He's one of the worst owners in the NBA riding off of his reputation of over a decade ago.
We're only in this situation because Cuban is a horrid owner. SO many missed opportunities. Time and again. Cuban just waits for the summer so he can get rejected by a star cause he's a masochist.
The one big thing that was fucked up, was not giving Brunson his extension the first second it was possible.
Everything else is the up-and-down of a normal NBA-franchise.
Cash-in on assets is a myth.
(11-15-2022, 03:11 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]The one big thing that was fucked up, was not giving Brunson his extension the first second it was possible.
Everything else is the up-and-down of a normal NBA-franchise.
Cash-in on assets is a myth.
Because the Mavs have never done it? Mavs have missed the opportunity but that´s what any other team would do when they start the tank. Now it is too late.
(11-15-2022, 03:23 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Because the Mavs have never done it? Mavs have missed the opportunity but that´s what any other team would do when they start the tank. Now it is too late.
So you blame him for doing the tank-to-draft thing so good he couldn't tank after that anymore? lol
What you think of is tearing your team down to tank. That's a real thing. But we didn't have much to tear down after being successful so long.
The Mavs have been decidedly mediocre at
player evaluation
drafting
negotiation (trades and contracts)
player development
cap strategy
Unfortunately, in the competitive NBA world, you have to compete against some teams that have mastered those skills. If you aren't one of the best, you have to compete at a significant disadvantage as a result.
That's the reality.
(11-15-2022, 03:45 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs have been decidedly mediocre at
player evaluation
drafting
negotiation (trades and contracts)
player development
cap strategy
Unfortunately, in the competitive NBA world, you have to compete against some teams that have mastered those skills. If you aren't one of the best, you have to compete at a significant disadvantage as a result.
That's the reality.
I give you the cap strategy/negotiation. Barely.
At this point it seems more like the dumb franchises are our disadvantage.
(11-15-2022, 03:28 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]So you blame him for doing the tank-to-draft thing so good he couldn't tank after that anymore? lol
What you think of is tearing your team down to tank. That's a real thing. But we didn't have much to tear down after being successful so long.
Mavs never tanked. They tried to win with a completly broken roster and wasted assets and salary cap to go after guys like Barnes, Matthews and DAJ. Taking themself out of the race for better lottery odds. Realizing that your team is shit halfway through the season isn´t tanking.
Mavs have no assets to cash in on because they aren´t able to generate assets. For the most part they don´t care about the draft. Making it a lot harder to develop talent that might turn into a positive asset.
In free agency they either chase the white whale superstar or go after vets on the wrong side of 30. Failing to land the star. Overpaying the vet. Again. No way to generate any positive value.
Nothing changed. It´s the same old story. Plan Powder 2.0 (more likely 12.0).
Side note: A good example for a team that cashed in on what they had. Warriors knew that Durant wanted to leave. Instead of letting him go for nothing they got Russell in return. Not afraid of the salary of the fit. Justr trying to maximize the returning value. In the follow up they showed what the Mavs miss. The ability to evaluate player/potential. Turned Russell into Wiggins (with a lottery pick on top).
(11-15-2022, 04:01 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]At this point it seems more like the dumb franchises are our disadvantage.
Or other teams think of the Mavs as a dumb franchise.
(11-15-2022, 04:10 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs never tanked. They tried to win with a completly broken roster and wasted assets and salary cap to go after guys like Barnes, Matthews and DAJ. Taking themself out of the race for better lottery odds. Realizing that your team is shit halfway through the season isn´t tanking.
Mavs have no assets to cash in on because they aren´t able to generate assets. For the most part they don´t care about the draft. Making it a lot harder to develop talent that might turn into a positive asset.
In free agency they either chase the white whale superstar or go after vets on the wrong side of 30. Failing to land the star. Overpaying the vet. Again. No way to generate any positive value.
Nothing changed. It´s the same old story. Plan Powder 2.0 (more likely 12.0).
Side note: A good example for a team that cashed in on what they had. Warriors knew that Durant wanted to leave. Instead of letting him go for nothing they got Russell in return. Not afraid of the salary of the fit. Justr trying to maximize the returning value. In the follow up they showed what the Mavs miss. The ability to evaluate player/potential. Turned Russell into Wiggins (with a lottery pick on top).
Or other teams think of the Mavs as a dumb franchise.
The Durant/Brunson thing is a perfect example of dump teams harming us. The Knicks not only overpay for Brunson but rather pay more to other franchises than giving us anything.
By the way. I think we handled that very bad and would be better off, if we still had Donnie.
(11-15-2022, 04:18 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]The Durant/Brunson thing is a perfect example of dump teams harming us. The Knicks not only overpay for Brunson but rather pay more to other franchises than giving us anything.
By the way. I think we handled that very bad and would be better off, if we still had Donnie.
Brunson´s contract isn´t bad. Actually looks pretty good compared to some of the contracts other teams handed out in the offseason. Herro, Poole or Barrett. Best part is that Brunson´s deal is declining. 25m in 24/25 and 25/26. Based on the current cap projections that´s great value.
It´s not about other teams. But I wouldn´t be suprised if that is what Cuban and co think. It´s never their fault.
(11-15-2022, 04:27 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Brunson´s contract isn´t bad. Actually looks pretty good compared to some of the contracts other teams handed out in the offseason. Herro, Poole or Barrett. Best part is that Brunson´s deal is declining. 25m in 24/25 and 25/26. Based on the current cap projections that´s great value.
It´s not about other teams. But I wouldn´t be suprised if that is what Cuban and co think. It´s never their fault. Always the others.
It's not about his contract but about his role. The Knicks are in no state for that kind of player.
He will just keep them a play-in-team endlessly.
They will have to trade him eventually and will be lucky, if they get a part of their expences.
By the way, we have full circled now. Talking about there being very good others and dump others and it's all MCs fault.